Tommy Robinson: Cenotaph clashes could mark return of far-right figure

[CharlieH]

 

As far-right protesters rallied in London bellowing “England til I die” on Saturday, a familiar face was walking out in front.

Tommy Robinson was beaming as a throng of angry men headed towards Whitehall to “defend the Cenotaph” from those protesting over Palestine on Armistice Day, chanting: “We love you Tommy, we do.” He jumped in a taxi before the violence, but was accused of being instrumental in encouraging people to attend.

 

Since being reinstated on X, formerly known as Twitter, earlier this month, the English Defence League (EDL) founder has experienced a resurgence. Robinson, 40, whose real name is Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, claims in his latest profile that this is a “new era” for him.

Among those concerned about his return to the mainstream is Nick Lowles, the chief executive of the anti-fascist group, Hope Not Hate. He said: “The fact that all this has blown up around the Cenotaph and the pro-Palestine demos in the fortnight that he’s come back on to X, I think has obviously been significant,” he said.

“I think it just highlights how important banning hate figures on social media is, because even though they can go on to fringe platforms, it’s much more difficult to speak to people outside their bubble.”

Lowles, whose biography of Robinson, Tommy, was published last year, said Robinson was careful to appear moderate in his videos and had not been there when protesters clashed with police on Saturday, but he had set the scene for what happened next.

“He turns up, leads the crowd down Whitehall, and then leads a group up into Chinatown and then jumps in a taxi and goes away,” he said. “But he has lit the fuse. He’s wound people up.

“His videos are powerful. His email list is several hundreds of thousands people. He’d send out emails to the list with a video embedded in the email, saying we must take action, we must take to the streets. He winds people up. He’s the Pied Piper.”

 

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[BenStark]

1 hour ago, CharlieH said:

“I think it just highlights how important banning hate figures on social media is, because even though they can go on to fringe platforms, it’s much more difficult to speak to people outside their bubble.”

 

I think Lowles is right about this.

 

People who HATE others sharing a different opinion as theirs should be banned from social media platforms.

 

Get it done with and ban the lefties

[JonnyF]

Unfortunately when there is a weak, politically biased police force it can lead to the rise in popularity of vigilante, sometimes extremist groups.

 

The left wing, anti-Israeli Metropolitan police only have themselves to blame. You reap what you sow. 

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Unfortunately when there is a weak, politically biased police force it can lead to the rise in popularity of vigilante, sometimes extremist groups.

 

The left wing, anti-Israeli Metropolitan police only have themselves to blame. You reap what you sow. 

You say it as if it were true.

 

Or is it the same extremist rightwing propaganda and conspiracy garbage that convicted violent fraudster Yaxley Lennon spews along with his mix of racism and Islamophobia that is so attractive to some?!

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You say it as if it were true.

 

Or is it the same extremist rightwing propaganda and conspiracy garbage that convicted violent fraudster Yaxley Lennon spews along with his mix of racism and Islamophobia that is so attractive to some?!

 

     He and his fellow men gathered there on Saturday to stop certain people from disrupting the memorial for fallen soldiers .

   That isn't being "Islamophobic" 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

     He and his fellow men gathered there on Saturday to stop certain people from disrupting the memorial for fallen soldiers .

   That isn't being "Islamophobic" 

They didn’t stop anything did they.

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They didn’t stop anything did they.

 

 

 

 

   They should rename the group "Tottenhams goalkeeper"

[JayClay]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

     He and his fellow men gathered there on Saturday to stop certain people from disrupting the memorial for fallen soldiers .

   That isn't being "Islamophobic" 

 

Which people?

 

If you're referring to the peace protest then they probably would have done better if they'd taken a map and a watch.

[hotandsticky]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Why do you think that Tommy is a racist ?

 

 

 

Why do you think he is not?

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Why do you think he is not?

 

  I didn't say he wasn't . 

I am asking people who think that he is a racist, why they think that 

[hotandsticky]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  I didn't say he wasn't . 

I am asking people who think that he is a racist, why they think that 

 

So are you saying he is a racist ?

 

 

A genuine, straight-forward question 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

So are you saying he is a racist ?

 

 

A genuine, straight-forward question 

 

   No, I also didn't say that he was a racist .

I didn't say that he was a racist and I also didn't say that he wasn't a racist 

[scubascuba3]

55 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Why do you think he is not?

He was highlighting the grooming gangs before the mainstream media picked it up and police were trying to ignore it

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

He was highlighting the grooming gangs before the mainstream media picked it up and police were trying to ignore it

 

 Yes, he was vociferously and publicly making claims about the Muslim grooming gangs in many U.K towns and the media labelled him as being a lying racist .

   Ten years later and hundreds of those grooming gang members got jailed for many years 

[metisdead]

A troll post with an offensive trolling meme and the reply contravening our Community Standards has been removed.

[Chomper Higgot]

Yaxley Lennon has used a number of names.

 

He almost got it right with ‘Wayne King’.

[RuamRudy]

The cocaine dealing, woman beating fraudster never misses an opportunity to squeeze more money out of the hard right dullards who are more than happy to throw their cash at those who blow the racist dog whistle.

 

All those nonentities on GBeebies can testify to their generosity.

[hotandsticky]

7 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

He was highlighting the grooming gangs before the mainstream media picked it up and police were trying to ignore it

 

Laudable. But that doesn't answer my question.

[hotandsticky]

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No, I also didn't say that he was a racist .

I didn't say that he was a racist and I also didn't say that he wasn't a racist 

 

 

So, what do you think  -  or do you want to spend your life as a splinter ar5e?

 

Do you think Tommy Robinson is a racist or not. The choices are:-

 

Yes

No

I don't really know.

[Nick Carter icp]

27 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

So, what do you think  -  or do you want to spend your life as a splinter ar5e?

 

Do you think Tommy Robinson is a racist or not. The choices are:-

 

Yes

No

I don't really know.

 

 

  C please Bob 

[richard_smith237]

We're not allowed to be critical of Islam in any literature (The Satanic Verses)...

We're not allowed to Satirise Islam in Images or cartoons (Charlie Hebdo)...

 

And now we're apparently not allowed to oppose the massacre of innocent civilians and beheading of Children by a terrorist organisation while they shout their war-cry 'Allahu Akbar'...

 

We are instead expect to support or at least be perfectly ok with a protest that was specifically chosen on a date of national remembrance and respect for those who paid the ultimate price in providing the very liberties those who are being protested in support of would see removed in a jihadi-heartbeat...

 

Western leaders and governments are so fearful of being accused of being discriminatory that they have become weakened by Political Correctness, they are forcing those in the balanced middle ground to move towards the fringes, in this case the events and a lack of effective decision making are pushing normal people more and more towards the right wing... 

 

We have Millions of British People who are ignorant enough to march in support of an organisation that would have many of them beheaded or charged with offences under Shariah law, an organisation which massacred 1200-1400 innocent men, women and children, raped, beheaded, kidnapped, dragged through the streets...  Children and babies were beheaded while the murders screamed in glee (reportedly)...   Yet millions are marching in support of this terror organisation...

 

Would the retaliation against Hamas have ever occurred had Hamas not attacked Israel ? In fact, has any attack on Gaza by Israel (ever) not been in retaliation ? i.e. have Israel ever 'started it' ??...  or has Israel only ever retaliated ?... Yes, they retaliate, swiftly, and very extremely, but they do so against a terror organisation that hides within its own people (were all familiar with the world human shields - and were all familiar with which cultures that phrase is most associated).... in 2012 and 2104 missiles were found in UNRWA Schools in Gaza. 

 

Why have the rest of the Arab world refused to take in Palestinians? is it because they have a track record of destabilising the area they infiltrate (1975 Lebanese Civil War), and their Arab and Muslim neighbours know this and of course will not accept them as refugees...

 

It has been argued that regular innocent citizens of the Gaza strip wish for a peaceful solution and I'm sure many would, yet two state solutions have repeatedly been rejected. It was reported that in their hundreds the supposed placid and peaceful regular Gaza citizens were spitting on the body of a German Jewish girl who'd been raped and murdered before being dragged through the streets of Gaza.

 

I have heard the question asked. 

What would happen if Hamas put down their weapons ?? - Ans: There would be no more violence. 

What would happen is Israel put down their weapons ?? - Ans: There would be no more Israel and millions murdered.

 

I've jumped around a lot because there are so many facets to this issue, but, in recognising such issues I do not believe someone is racist, I believe they are realists. 

 

I believe in honouring those who provided us with the freedoms we have today. I also believe in those freedoms, one of which is the right of free speech and the right to protest, but, with those rights afforded to us comes a degree of responsibility - I do not believe in the freedom to incite hate in support of terror organisations and Tommy Robinson is not a terror organisation, yet walking through the streets tearing down the British Flags shouting Alluah Akbar in support of Hamas is, for me, supporting those who behead children and rape and murder women.

 

 

 

 

I very rarely agree with much of what Tommy Robinson states, most commonly because his views are so extreme and thuggish, yet I often find myself not completely disagreeing with him either. 

 

Tommy Robinson is a divisive figure and a lot of what hey says upsets a lot of people, yet I'd suspect the gentleman mentioned below (UAE MFA) may very well find himself agreeing with him. 

 

In 2017 the UAE Minister of Foreign Affairs warned Western Governments that radical extremism and terrorism will increase in the west because of lack of decision making and political correctness - Given events in London and Paris over the past few years, I'm wondering if he is correct, or rather, how correct he is. 

 

In 2019 a white supremest nutcase walked into two Mosques one after the other and shot dead 51 and injured another 40 innocent victims. Of course, there was condemnation from all over the world, but, there was also world wide protests against 'Islamaphobia', yet I do wonder if the same had occurred in reverse, i.e an attach on a Church by a muslim nutcase, or an attack on one Muslim group by another would there have been the same world wide protests ?.... I mean, how many world wide protests did we see when the Daesh extremists (ISIL) slaughtered 1700 Shiite solders in Iraq (Camp Speicher Massacre) ???

 

A lot to discuss and it goes on and on, an on it goes... 

 

 

 

 

 

[hotandsticky]

12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

  C please Bob 

 

 

I have no time for people who won't answer a question, that they themselves have asked.

 

 

 

The dimmest type of trolling....

[James105]

29 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

I have no time for people who won't answer a question, that they themselves have asked.

 

 

 

The dimmest type of trolling....

 

Tommy Robinson is very clearly anti-Islam, which is an ideology and not something you can be racist against.   As far as I can make out, in comparison to the barbarians that raped and murdered hundreds of Jews for the crime of being Jewish, he is not quite in the same ballpark as his crimes seem to be quite minor in lying to the bank about a mortgage and a bit of minor thuggery when he was younger.   

 

I'm sure when the religion of peace actually becomes a religion of peace and dare I say reforms itself, even the likes of Tommy Robinson will cease to be anti-Islam, in much the same way that he is not anti-Buddhism, or anti-Hindu or anti any other religion.   

 

I think if people actively tried to seek out what he has done that is supposedly racist, they will find very little evidence of him actually being so, but that requires some kind of effort and it is much easier for people to be told what to think about someone rather than forming an opinion of their own.    

 

Does he have the eloquence of someone like Douglas Murray who sings from the same song sheet?  No, of course not.   But there is not really much difference between them.

Edited November 14, 2023 by James105

[Nick Carter icp]

28 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

I have no time for people who won't answer a question, that they themselves have asked.

 

 

 

The dimmest type of trolling....

 

 I asked a poster why they thought Tommy Robinson was a racist after they stated that he was  racist .

As I haven't also stated he is a racist, how do you expect my to answer my own question ?

   If I knew the answer to my question, then I wouldn't need to ask the question, now would I

[GarryP]

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 I asked a poster why they thought Tommy Robinson was a racist after they stated that he was  racist .

As I haven't also stated he is a racist, how do you expect my to answer my own question ?

   If I knew the answer to my question, then I wouldn't need to ask the question, now would I

Seems that some posters are lacking in reading comprehension skills, and I don't mean you.  

[Chomper Higgot]

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

We're not allowed to be critical of Islam in any literature (The Satanic Verses)...

We're not allowed to Satirise Islam in Images or cartoons (Charlie Hebdo)...

 

And now we're apparently not allowed to oppose the massacre of innocent civilians and beheading of Children by a terrorist organisation while they shout their war-cry 'Allahu Akbar'...

 

We are instead expect to support or at least be perfectly ok with a protest that was specifically chosen on a date of national remembrance and respect for those who paid the ultimate price in providing the very liberties those who are being protested in support of would see removed in a jihadi-heartbeat...

 

Western leaders and governments are so fearful of being accused of being discriminatory that they have become weakened by Political Correctness, they are forcing those in the balanced middle ground to move towards the fringes, in this case the events and a lack of effective decision making are pushing normal people more and more towards the right wing... 

 

We have Millions of British People who are ignorant enough to march in support of an organisation that would have many of them beheaded or charged with offences under Shariah law, an organisation which massacred 1200-1400 innocent men, women and children, raped, beheaded, kidnapped, dragged through the streets...  Children and babies were beheaded while the murders screamed in glee (reportedly)...   Yet millions are marching in support of this terror organisation...

 

Would the retaliation against Hamas have ever occurred had Hamas not attacked Israel ? In fact, has any attack on Gaza by Israel (ever) not been in retaliation ? i.e. have Israel ever 'started it' ??...  or has Israel only ever retaliated ?... Yes, they retaliate, swiftly, and very extremely, but they do so against a terror organisation that hides within its own people (were all familiar with the world human shields - and were all familiar with which cultures that phrase is most associated).... in 2012 and 2104 missiles were found in UNRWA Schools in Gaza. 

 

Why have the rest of the Arab world refused to take in Palestinians? is it because they have a track record of destabilising the area they infiltrate (1975 Lebanese Civil War), and their Arab and Muslim neighbours know this and of course will not accept them as refugees...

 

It has been argued that regular innocent citizens of the Gaza strip wish for a peaceful solution and I'm sure many would, yet two state solutions have repeatedly been rejected. It was reported that in their hundreds the supposed placid and peaceful regular Gaza citizens were spitting on the body of a German Jewish girl who'd been raped and murdered before being dragged through the streets of Gaza.

 

I have heard the question asked. 

What would happen if Hamas put down their weapons ?? - Ans: There would be no more violence. 

What would happen is Israel put down their weapons ?? - Ans: There would be no more Israel and millions murdered.

 

I've jumped around a lot because there are so many facets to this issue, but, in recognising such issues I do not believe someone is racist, I believe they are realists. 

 

I believe in honouring those who provided us with the freedoms we have today. I also believe in those freedoms, one of which is the right of free speech and the right to protest, but, with those rights afforded to us comes a degree of responsibility - I do not believe in the freedom to incite hate in support of terror organisations and Tommy Robinson is not a terror organisation, yet walking through the streets tearing down the British Flags shouting Alluah Akbar in support of Hamas is, for me, supporting those who behead children and rape and murder women.

 

 

 

 

I very rarely agree with much of what Tommy Robinson states, most commonly because his views are so extreme and thuggish, yet I often find myself not completely disagreeing with him either. 

 

Tommy Robinson is a divisive figure and a lot of what hey says upsets a lot of people, yet I'd suspect the gentleman mentioned below (UAE MFA) may very well find himself agreeing with him. 

 

In 2017 the UAE Minister of Foreign Affairs warned Western Governments that radical extremism and terrorism will increase in the west because of lack of decision making and political correctness - Given events in London and Paris over the past few years, I'm wondering if he is correct, or rather, how correct he is. 

 

In 2019 a white supremest nutcase walked into two Mosques one after the other and shot dead 51 and injured another 40 innocent victims. Of course, there was condemnation from all over the world, but, there was also world wide protests against 'Islamaphobia', yet I do wonder if the same had occurred in reverse, i.e an attach on a Church by a muslim nutcase, or an attack on one Muslim group by another would there have been the same world wide protests ?.... I mean, how many world wide protests did we see when the Daesh extremists (ISIL) slaughtered 1700 Shiite solders in Iraq (Camp Speicher Massacre) ???

 

A lot to discuss and it goes on and on, an on it goes... 

 

 

 

 

 

Arguably the longest piece of myth filled grievance I’ve read for a long time.

 

Your first two sentences are out and out false, your third is utter nonsense.

 

And they are the foundations of all the other self grievance stroking you added there after.

 

The protest was not to support Hamas or or terrorism or killing on any side of the war.

 

Your pondering hypothetical scenarios tells us nothing about the war, the efforts for peace or the voices from all parts of the community in the UK and elsewhere speaking up against the killings in this war.

 

It does tell us a great deal about your need to imagine scenarios to feed a need you have.

 

Thanks for sharing.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Tommy Robinson is very clearly anti-Islam, which is an ideology and not something you can be racist against.   As far as I can make out, in comparison to the barbarians that raped and murdered hundreds of Jews for the crime of being Jewish, he is not quite in the same ballpark as his crimes seem to be quite minor in lying to the bank about a mortgage and a bit of minor thuggery when he was younger.   

 

I'm sure when the religion of peace actually becomes a religion of peace and dare I say reforms itself, even the likes of Tommy Robinson will cease to be anti-Islam, in much the same way that he is not anti-Buddhism, or anti-Hindu or anti any other religion.   

 

I think if people actively tried to seek out what he has done that is supposedly racist, they will find very little evidence of him actually being so, but that requires some kind of effort and it is much easier for people to be told what to think about someone rather than forming an opinion of their own.    

 

Does he have the eloquence of someone like Douglas Murray who sings from the same song sheet?  No, of course not.   But there is not really much difference between them.

More ignorance laden nonsense laced with false equivalence.

 

I suggest you read the UK laws on racism and hate speech, educate yourself.

[James105]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More ignorance laden nonsense laced with false equivalence.

 

I suggest you read the UK laws on racism and hate speech, educate yourself.

 

"I think if people actively tried to seek out what he has done that is supposedly racist, they will find very little evidence of him actually being so, but that requires some kind of effort and it is much easier for people to be told what to think about someone rather than forming an opinion of their own."

 

Like I said, it is much too difficult for some to have an opinion of their own, especially amongst those who use the phrase "educate yourself" which is just a phrase that is used by people who are not able to provide an argument to back up what they have said and are hopeful that by using it that it ends all debate on the matter.

 

Being anti-Islam is no more racist than being anti-Scientology. 

[Chomper Higgot]

57 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

"I think if people actively tried to seek out what he has done that is supposedly racist, they will find very little evidence of him actually being so, but that requires some kind of effort and it is much easier for people to be told what to think about someone rather than forming an opinion of their own."

 

Like I said, it is much too difficult for some to have an opinion of their own, especially amongst those who use the phrase "educate yourself" which is just a phrase that is used by people who are not able to provide an argument to back up what they have said and are hopeful that by using it that it ends all debate on the matter.

 

Being anti-Islam is no more racist than being anti-Scientology. 

 

Fan boy thinks Yaxley Lennon isn’t a racist.

 

“Like I said, it is much too difficult for some to have an opinion of their own”

 

For the record, I don’t get my opinions from Yaxley Lennon.

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[Wobblybob]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Fan boy thinks Yaxley Lennon isn’t a racist.

 

“Like I said, it is much too difficult for some to have an opinion of their own”

 

For the record, I don’t get my opinions from Yaxley Lennon.

 

Owen Jones?