Smoke clears on Thailand’s Cannabis Bill

[NextG]

10 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

Didn't answer my question.

Most of you guys that are proponents of pot like to say that pot is a "natural" occurring medicine. And that "nature intended" it to be used by humans.

 

Again the question is. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT "NATURE INTENDED" POT TO BE USED AS A DRUG ANY MORE THAN BOOZE or COCAINE OR HEROIN ETC ... my point is there is NO WAY YOU CAN SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM.

 

Anybody with more than a grade school education who understands English and has a moderate ability to reason will understand that no person can substantiate this claim that "Nature Intended" Pot to be used as medicine or for recreational use.

 

Crushed pear, peach or cheery pits are naturally occurring in nature.. Anyone want to try eating that?

Did you pose a question to him? You are ranting. Perhaps that is why you were on the cannabis for a while, but you overdid it and are now back to the ranting stage. 
It’s an aid, not a panacea. 
Calm down, you are embarrassing yourself; writing like a raving maniac. 

[likerdup1]

21 minutes ago, NextG said:

It is an answer to your question. Obviously not one you like. That’s your problem. 

No, your answers only make sense to you I reckon or others who buy into the BS.

Edited November 26, 2023 by likerdup1

[likerdup1]

2 minutes ago, NextG said:

Did you pose a question to him? You are ranting. Perhaps that is why you were on the cannabis for a while, but you overdid it and are now back to the ranting stage. 
It’s an aid, not a panacea. 
Calm down, you are embarrassing yourself; writing like a raving maniac. 

Yea, I'm really embarrassed. Forgive me, your reason and logic is beyond compare. LOL!

[NextG]

3 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

Not to anyone who actually has a moderate understanding of how to reason or understands the scientific method.

Tobacco leaves are naturally occurring in nature too. What do you think about nicotine use? Cherry, pear and peach pits naturally occur? What about that? I'm done .. what a waste of time..

 

The fact remains that long term effects of most of these drugs you describing are detrimental to human beings.

Is tobacco considered a medicine? Perhaps you can link to any claims of such; historical or otherwise. 
You do know there are also poisons in nature, don’t you?

It doesn’t sound as if you progressed further than ‘grade school’, if the evidence of your writing is to tell us anything at all. 

[NextG]

3 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

No, your answers only make sense to you I reckon or others who buy into the BS.

Buy into it? Everyone has their own experience. No one here is coercing anyone else to try it. 
But what we do have, is someone ranting and raving about their own negative experience and assuming that it is exactly the same for everyone else. Now THAT is ‘dumb’ and a school boy error. 

[NextG]

4 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

Yea, I'm really embarrassed. Forgive me, your reason and logic is beyond compare. LOL!

If compared to yours, I might seem a veritable genius. Thank you. 

[likerdup1]

None of you proponents of pot have answered my question. All  of you side stepped the question. Didn't give a rational answer.

 

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT "NATURE INTENDED" POT TO BE USED AS A DRUG ANY MORE THAN BOOZE or COCAINE OR HEROIN OR OPIUM.

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by likerdup1

[morrobay]

6 minutes ago, NextG said:

You do know there are also poisons in nature, don’t you?

 

Yes and those poisons evolved there via "natural selection" Those poisons have survival value for the plant. For protection from getting eaten 

[JensenZ]

On 11/23/2023 at 11:40 AM, likerdup1 said:

Fine with me. I'd rather not smell pot smoke on every other street I walk on. For medical use, OK. for recreational use no. Not good for society as a whole.

 

I find it a mind numbing pointless and blunt drug. It clearly alters consciousness to the long term detriment of the user and has no long term benefits for those who have no legitimate medical justification for it's use. I used it for several years and my "high" digressed into paranoia. Just a trash blunt object drug. Might as well hit your head with a hammer

I suspect you have other problems and you're blaming it on your pot smoking. Correlation is not causation. People suffer all types of psychological conditions with or without pot.

[mikebike]

49 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

Didn't answer my question.

I wasn't trying to answer your absurd question. I was addressing your absurd notion that alcohol does not occur in nature. 

Edited November 26, 2023 by mikebike

[JensenZ]

21 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

None of you proponents of pot have answered my question. All  of you side stepped the question. Didn't give a rational answer.

 

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT "NATURE INTENDED" POT TO BE USED AS A DRUG ANY MORE THAN BOOZE or COCAINE OR HEROIN OR OPIUM.

 

It would probably depend on where you live and what is growing in your backyard. Pot or opium use would be more convenient than producing alcoholic beverages if these plants happen to be growing in your garden LOL

[likerdup1]

24 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

It would probably depend on where you live and what is growing in your backyard. Pot or opium use would be more convenient than producing alcoholic beverages if these plants happen to be growing in your garden LOL

Meth occurs naturally .... in my sisters friends husbands garage bathtub in Louisville Kentucky.

 

Kind of a sad fact is that most drug addicts will defend use of their substance of dependency to the end. Substance abuse is no joke and most people become dependent long before they even realize the dependency.

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by likerdup1

[JensenZ]

7 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

Meth occurs naturally .... in my sisters friends husbands garage bathtub in Louisville Kentucky.

 

Kind of a sad fact is that most drug addicts will defend use of their substance of dependency to the end. Substance abuse is no joke and most people become dependent long before they even realize the dependency.

 

There are many wild animals that love getting drunk or high, and some become quite addicted, usually to their detriment.

 

Here's one video of a series of 3. The wild African elephants are really into alcohol.

 

3 Animals That Enjoy Being Drunk And High

 

 

[candide]

Thai people won't be bothered much, as very few of them consume weed. No change for them, they can still buy Yaba pills for as low as 30Bht each, if they want to get high.

 

Anyway, it's time to start storing. I wonder how long well packed buds can keep their potency.

[NextG]

1 hour ago, likerdup1 said:

Meth occurs naturally .... in my sisters friends husbands garage bathtub in Louisville Kentucky.

 

Kind of a sad fact is that most drug addicts will defend use of their substance of dependency to the end. Substance abuse is no joke and most people become dependent long before they even realize the dependency.

 

Pretty sad that you are so unaware of your own behaviour. Ranting away like a lunatic. Even when proven wrong, still ranting away like a lunatic. 
Someone of sound mind could adapt, conceding they might have been wrong on certain issues. 
But here you are, still as ‘mad’ as ever. 
You obviously had/have some sort of issue. 
Again, read what I have written… 

There’s a huge difference between someone like you, who admitted to taking it to ‘get high’ and someone else who utilises it for a specific ailment. Someone like yourself had no reason to regulate your usage, so you just tried to get ‘higher’ and ‘higher’ until you felt that it didn’t work anymore; so you gave up, angry and frustrated. 
Contrast that with someone who takes it to help with joint pain. They are less interested in getting high, than being pain free. 
Someone who suffers from general anxiety; ditto. They are dealing with specific issues. 
Whereas you have underlying issues with anger. You need a different kind of treatment. 

[NextG]

55 minutes ago, candide said:

Thai people won't be bothered much, as very few of them consume weed. No change for them, they can still buy Yaba pills for as low as 30Bht each, if they want to get high.

 

Anyway, it's time to start storing. I wonder how long well packed buds can keep their potency.

You are posting nonsense when you try to assert that few Thai people consume weed. Have you actually been to Thailand?

[NextG]

2 hours ago, likerdup1 said:

None of you proponents of pot have answered my question. All  of you side stepped the question. Didn't give a rational answer.

 

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT "NATURE INTENDED" POT TO BE USED AS A DRUG ANY MORE THAN BOOZE or COCAINE OR HEROIN OR OPIUM.

 

Those things you have mentioned need to be refined into something much stronger than nature intended. 
These things are there for a reason. It’s up to us to utilise them sensibly. Some people cannot. 

Your ranting away on this thread might indicate that you have some issues that need tackling. 
Calm it down. Why so angry and insistent? Even when you are shown to be wrong, you just try a new ‘shouty’ line. Have you been drinking? 🤭 I suspect that you have 😊

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, NextG said:

Those things you have mentioned need to be refined into something much stronger than nature intended. 
 🤭 

No need to refine opium, it's just the sap from seed pods.

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, candide said:

Anyway, it's time to start storing. I wonder how long well packed buds can keep their potency

1 year in a mason jar.

5 years in vacuum bags in a freezer.

[Ralf001]

On 11/23/2023 at 12:20 PM, redwood1 said:

The ONLY reason pot shops were not banned is because if they were banned millions would have to be paid out....

 

So let them stay open but no selling of Buds....lol......That is the same as not being able to sell any thing.....

 

My local pot shop does some fantastic chocolate edibles.

[NextG]

4 hours ago, NextG said:

Again the question is. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT "NATURE INTENDED" POT TO BE USED AS A DRUG ANY MORE THAN BOOZE or COCAINE OR HEROIN ETC ... my point is there is NO WAY YOU CAN SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM

“By that logic how would you rate cocaine, heroin, ketamine, GHB, Methamphetamine? ... oh just the same as alcohol? Grade school logic”

 

30 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

No need to refine opium, it's just the sap from seed pods.

Didn’t notice that he slipped “Opium” in later. It wasn’t originally included. 

[FritsSikkink]

On 11/23/2023 at 2:15 PM, Nickcage49 said:

Well this article tells you a lot...not. No details.

Try the link in the article.

[JackGats]

Looks like the cannabis laws in many countries where cannabis was allegedly legalized: cannabis is legal as long as it has no effect.

 

Maybe they could legalize cocaine as well, in the form of coca leaves from sub-species producing leaves with no alkaloid that can at best be used to feed rabbits.

[SABloke]

On 11/23/2023 at 3:23 PM, Jingthing said:

It tells you that they're tripping if they think many shops can stay open without selling buds.

 

They can still sell buds just not "dried buds" or buds for smoking. As always, plently of loopholes left in the bill. Watch shops now start selling "fresh" buds for tea. 

[likerdup1]

3 hours ago, NextG said:

Those things you have mentioned need to be refined into something much stronger than nature intended. 
These things are there for a reason. It’s up to us to utilise them sensibly. Some people cannot. 

Your ranting away on this thread might indicate that you have some issues that need tackling. 
Calm it down. Why so angry and insistent? Even when you are shown to be wrong, you just try a new ‘shouty’ line. Have you been drinking? 🤭 I suspect that you have 😊

 

You got one go to line     "nature intended"     pretty thin there buddy.  Do you own a pot shop? or a Pot cafe? You haven't once mentioned why you are a proponent and if you personally use it for a specific medicinal purpose -- which by the way I have no problem with as long as there has been plenty of research done and it's use greatly out weighs the side effects ( of which there are many).

 

My use of pot was casual for about 9 years as an adolescent and into adult hood. Probably a couple hits every other day. There have been many studies done (quite easily done I might ad) which conclude THC's adverse effects on brain function especially on developing minds.

 

  My use of it never changed. For awhile it was fun ... but at some point it started to have a very negative psychological effect. My use didn't change. I am no Doctor but I wager that my physiology and brain chemistry was probably altered over time and the active ingredient, THC became a source of THC induced paranoia.

 

People who are "recreational" users of the drug and other mind altering substances IMHO would do well to ask themselves why they need a drug/substance/chemical etc to feel good... what is wrong with how they are without it? Why is it they feel the need to alter their feelings/emotions/state of mind with a blunt mind altering substance.  Why aren't they happy without it?

 

For those who have identifiable mental illness self medicating on THC or other blunt mind altering substances is very dangerous.

 

Is this what "nature intended?"

 

Put that in your bong and smoke it.

 

If you are not a Doctor and specialist in the workings of the human brain and it's vast complexity along with many years of clinical research all your rhetoric is just plain BS.

Edited November 26, 2023 by likerdup1

[NextG]

1 minute ago, likerdup1 said:

 

You got one go to line     "nature intended"     pretty thin there buddy.  Do you own a pot shop? or a Pot cafe? You haven't once mentioned why you are a proponent and if you personally use it for a specific medicinal purpose -- which by the way I have no problem with.

 

My use of pot was casual for about 7 years as an adolescent and into adult hood. Probably a couple hits every other day. There have been many studies done (quite easily done I might ad) which conclude THC's adverse effects on brain function especially on developing minds.

 

  My use of it never changed. For awhile it was fun ... but at some point it started to have a very negative psychological effect. My use didn't change. I am no Doctor but I wager that my physiology and brain chemistry was probably altered over time and the active ingredient, THC became a source of THC induced paranoia.

 

People who are "recreational" users of the drug and other mind altering substances IMHO would do well to ask themselves why they need a drug/substance/chemical etc to feel good... what is wrong with how they are without it? Why is it there feel the need to alter their feelings/emotions/state of mind with a blunt mind altering substance.

 

Is this what "nature intended" Put that in your bong and smoke it.

 

Did you not just make my point for me? That you weren’t using for any medical purpose, but simply to get ‘high’. 
It’s only you who is describing it as a ‘blunt mild altering substance’. Then perhaps you wish people to argue with that as a point of reference. But that simply something that you’ve made up, rather than an actual point of reference. 
Someone who is relieved from their joint pain, isn’t looking at it as a ‘blunt mind altering substance’. 
Shall I tell you who might look at it in that way? People who used it to be specifically a ‘blunt mind altering substance’. 
So you should think about why you wanted to ‘blunt and alter’ your mind at that time. 
This is my simple point. That you assume that your experience and perspective speaks for anyone else. You are referring… to you. 

[likerdup1]

8 minutes ago, NextG said:

Did you not just make my point for me? That you weren’t using for any medical purpose, but simply to get ‘high’. 
It’s only you who is describing it as a ‘blunt mild altering substance’. Then perhaps you wish people to argue with that as a point of reference. But that simply something that you’ve made up, rather than an actual point of reference. 
Someone who is relieved from their joint pain, isn’t looking at it as a ‘blunt mind altering substance’. 
Shall I tell you who might look at it in that way? People who used it to be specifically a ‘blunt mind altering substance’. 
So you should think about why you wanted to ‘blunt and alter’ your mind at that time. 
This is my simple point. That you assume that your experience and perspective speaks for anyone else. You are referring… to you. 

 

So, I'm the only casual pot smoker that experienced THC induced paranoia? Come on man. THC is a refined and very predictable hallucinogenic? Again, you are kidding right?

Edited November 26, 2023 by likerdup1

[likerdup1]

Anyway listen, I'm not into making any enemies or causing problems. It's pretty plain to me that casual use of marijuana is just not a good idea for society at large and specifically bad for young people.

 

it's use for the benefit of certain ailments. Sure no problem.

 

I'm done with this discussion and my apologies to anyone offended. Please be careful with use of drugs.

Edited November 26, 2023 by likerdup1

[NextG]

2 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

 

So, I'm the only casual pot smoker that experienced THC induced paranoia? Come on man. THC is a refined and very predictable hallucinogenic? Again, you are kidding right?

Hallucinogenic? Are you blaming that on ‘pot smoking’? Couldn’t just be you frightening yourself?

Take some responsibility for your own behaviour. Perhaps the cannabis takes you closer to a natural state. Some people aren’t particularly comfortable with themselves. 
It’s not so much the substance, it’s you. 
The issue is that not everyone understands their ‘problem’. We live and learn… at least some of us do. Don’t blame the substance; understand your behaviour. 

[JackGats]

1 hour ago, likerdup1 said:

 

So, I'm the only casual pot smoker that experienced THC induced paranoia? Come on man. THC is a refined and very predictable hallucinogenic? Again, you are kidding right?

So after you got from THC everything you could get from it - including THC induced paranoia - you want it to be banned for other people, right? You had your fun while it lasted, so now you want the door to get closed behind you. Typical, but not nice. Other (including younger) people are entitled to their trials and errors in life, without facing jail for victimless crimes.