Israel is at War - General discussion (pt2)

[Jeff the Chef]

9 hours ago, Morch said:

 

You make wide brush claims.

You don't back them up with anything.

Somehow you expect your loaded 'questions' to be answered.

 

You're an argumentative Zionist, I don't expect anything more from you, I was trying to be even handed at the start of this piece Ref: Journalism, well done for putting me off, where's the block button gone?

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Do you similarly think that the invasion of Afghanistan was justified because of 9/11?

Yes.

 

The invasion to evict Al Qaida from Afghanistan was justified.

 

The subsequent occupation, not so much.

[Neeranam]

23 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Plenty of similar photos of German civilians bombed during WWII.

 

It's a simple concept: attack civilians in another country, and your country will suffer consequences.

 

If Myanmar launched an attack into China of the same magnitude as October 7, you don't think the result would be similar?

I find it very sad that you desperately try to justify this attrocious ethnic cleansing,

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I find it very sad that you desperately try to justify this attrocious ethnic cleansing,

There is no ethnic cleansing in Gaza. The IDF incursion in Gaza is intended to eliminate Hamas.

 

 

[Danderman123]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

the 'antisemitic' word is used for anyone who criticizes israel.

Don't forget the USA, which has a hugely disproportionate amount of Jews compared to Muslims in its government, who could stop this war but choose not too. 

If this topic were about the occupation of the West Bank, I would be among those criticizing Israel.

 

 

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

There is no ethnic cleansing in Gaza. The IDF incursion in Gaza is intended to eliminate Hamas.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/israel-gaza-mass-evacuation-ethnic-cleansing

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

If this topic were about the occupation of the West Bank, I would be among those criticizing Israel.

 

 

And you would be labelled an antisemite.

[Neeranam]

35 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Did you similarly think that 9/11 was justified because of .....?

But the US didn't kill hundereds of thousands in the middle East. Oh, wait a minute...

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/israel-gaza-mass-evacuation-ethnic-cleansing

An opinion, same as yours.

 

Israel has no plans to remove people from Gaza.

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

But the US didn't kill hundereds of thousands in the middle East. Oh, wait a minute...

So, you believe 9/11 was justified?

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

And you would be labelled an antisemite.

Anyone can call anyone anything.

 

Many Israelis condemn the West Bank occupation.

[Wobblybob]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

And you would be labelled an antisemite.

Somebody that applauds the killing of Israelis is without any question of doubt an antisemite, also people who deny the atrocities that occurred on 7/10 is a great big denier, especially when the Palestinian terrorists filmed themselves committing these vile barbaric sadistic acts, these people can only be described as antisemite or sick trolls! 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

None of us are anti-semitic

 

Why did you feel the need to say this before embarking on an anti-Israel rant ……. now let me guess

 

I also notice the extremely lame disclaimer that none of you condone what happened on 7th October; well you certainly didn’t condemn it, or even mention the vile atrocities that were perpetrated, just what  happened ….. again, let me guess why.   

[Eloquent pilgrim]

27 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

the 'antisemitic' word is used for anyone who criticizes israel.

 

No it is not. It is reserved for you, and others like you, that have continually proved themselves to be antisemitic.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

38 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I find it very sad that you desperately try to justify this attrocious ethnic cleansing,

 

What ethnic cleansing is that, pray tell ?

[Bkk Brian]

6 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

 

As someone who claims to read news in many languages, I am very sure you personally don't believe this rubbish, nice try but not good for your credibility.

 

Hamas fighters are very religious men and rape is against their teachings and morals. They were busy capturing 240 soldiers some dragged from their own tanks.

 

You really doubt Hamas men are 'Fighters'? As an ex-army officer yourself, what else would you call few hundred men who in just 2 hours seized control of 12 military bases and effectively brought Israel to its knees? Those were brave disciplined freedom fighters on a mission or as you try desperately to portray them as rapists chasing women??  

 

Female hostages were in captivity for almost 2 months. They were not raped or mistreated, all left with beaming smiles on camera.

 

Female hostages were in captivity for almost 2 months. They were not raped or mistreated, all left with beaming smiles on camera.

 

Another sick individual.

[Bkk Brian]

10 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Israel does not want any press anywhere, not if it is not under there control, now give us a clue why.?

 

Hamas need the press.

Hamas has plenty of press they are everywhere in Gaza. They especially like coming out when the terrorists release a few hostages to the staged smiles and celebrations. No shortage of electricity then either

[Wobblybob]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hamas has plenty of press they are everywhere in Gaza. They especially like coming out when the terrorists release a few hostages to the staged smiles and celebrations. No shortage of electricity then either

And the usual suspects claim that the Israeli hostages were treated like part of the family, can someone that has been kidnapped ever be treated humanely, especially young children and even a baby that has been murdered because it was too much trouble to look after. These people are sick in the head even to suggest that these kidnapped victims are treated humanely, kidnapping is a vile barbaric act by depraved and brainwashed Palestinians and not something to make excuses for! But when you're part of a cult that is conditioned to soak up propaganda like these people are it defies all logic. 

[Morch]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So much propaganda being put up as truth, sad.

Not a single link to a reputable site either.

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

Coming from someone who constantly posts propaganda stuff without question, that's amusing.

As for whining about links, glass houses may be mentioned.

 

Regardless, the film in question was not released for public viewing, but was shown to various government representatives, media people and so on around the world. Reactions from audiences were pretty much the same - and I don't think that there were any serious strong comments discrediting it as fake, propaganda and so on.

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

You're an argumentative Zionist, I don't expect anything more from you, I was trying to be even handed at the start of this piece Ref: Journalism, well done for putting me off, where's the block button gone?

 

I don't know that you were trying for anything, but you obviously failed. Or maybe what you consider 'even handed' is just slightly less biased than usual so the 'concession' you make is not recognized. The point stands - you make claims which you cannot support, you get upset when you're called out. As for the 'Zionist' label - in as much as I recognize Israel's right to exist, sure. But given that for you 'Zionist' obviously means something else, then probably not the way you implied. Anyway, considering your previously demonstrated unabashed antisemitism, guess them labels, tags and definitions all get mixed up sometimes in your comments.

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Some photos of israeli "precision bombing". Photos from Google images.

And your point is.....?

 

To be clear, the photos I posted are of Germany. 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

And you would be labelled an antisemite.

 

@Neeranam

 

I've made many comments over my years here, critical of Israel's West Bank occupation, Israel's government, or the lack of foresight embodied in Israeli diplomacy and politics. While there were the odd extreme comments here and there, they were mostly oddities, not a general trend. I guess that being labeled the way you sometimes are would require a backlog of making comments which can actually be interpreted as antisemitic, or including certain kinds of rhetoric and references associated with that.

 

On the off chance you weren't aware of this, ask your Rabbit to clue you in.

[Neeranam]

I think this speaks volumes as to who can stop, and perhaps who is the cause of this war. 

 

UK Foreign Secretary David Cameron will work to de-escalate tensions in the Middle East on his first trip to the US in the role, London has said.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/12/4/israel-gaza-war-live-israel-expands-ground-attack-in-southern-gaza?update=2532425

[Neeranam]

12 minutes ago, Morch said:

On the off chance you weren't aware of this, ask your Rabbit to clue you in.

My rabbit? 

What do you mean? 

[ozimoron]

Where I come from we call this "Genocide".

 

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has tasked his top adviser, Ron Dermer, the minister of strategic affairs, with designing plans to “thin” the Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip “to a minimum,” according to a bombshell new report in an Israeli newspaper founded by the late Republican billionaire Sheldon Adelson. 

 

https://theintercept.com/2023/12/03/netanyahu-thin-gaza-population/

[Neeranam]

13 minutes ago, Morch said:

I've made many comments over my years here, critical of Israel's West Bank occupation, Israel's government, or the lack of foresight embodied in Israeli diplomacy and politics.

 

I also criticize my government, there's nothing wrong with that. 

 

[Neeranam]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Where I come from we call this "Genocide".

 

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has tasked his top adviser, Ron Dermer, the minister of strategic affairs, with designing plans to “thin” the Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip “to a minimum,” according to a bombshell new report in an Israeli newspaper founded by the late Republican billionaire Sheldon Adelson. 

 

https://theintercept.com/2023/12/03/netanyahu-thin-gaza-population/

Wow. 

[novacova]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Some photos of israeli "precision bombing". Photos from Google images.

This is what happens when 75% of its population is in support of terrorist 

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1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Many Israelis condemn the West Bank occupation.

Fewer and fewer as time goes by.

[ozimoron]

17 minutes ago, novacova said:

This is what happens when 75% of its population is in support of terrorist 

 

Only 75%? I'd say 99% of able bodied citizens of Gaza are now "terrorists". Israel have only increased the number of terrorists and raised the threat level.

 

When did terrorism begin to justify war crimes?