Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives

[Danderman123]

21 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

The supreme court didn't strip anyone if any rights.  What it did was simply state that this was something that everyone should have a say in each state.

 

Last time I looked women have the right to vote and elect politicians to represent their desires.  Therefore if a woman can not get an abortion where she wants it is her state government that's stopping her.

 

If the Supreme Court abolished the 13th Amendment (which ended slavery), and left it up to the states to determine whether slavery would be practiced, that would likewise be okay for you?

 

You really need to think before you post talking points your internet overlords send you. They might work in the MAGAverse, but not in the real world.

Edited November 29, 2023 by Danderman123

[charleskerins]

Good idea  She should mention how Melania got in on a Einstein visa ,how donnie employs illegals at Mar -A -Lago ,how he employed them at his buildings in NYC and how R's encouraged them to come here to drive down wages and then blamed the Democrats.  America First !

[Danderman123]

Not too many MAGA cult followers are stupid enough to post in this topic.

 

Even the most blind Trump fan knows that Trump has zero credibilty on health care.

[kingstonkid]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

If the Supreme Court abolished the 13th Amendment (which ended slavery), and left it up to the states to determine whether slavery would be practiced, that would likewise be okay for you?

 

You really need to think before you post talking points your internet overlords send you. They might work in the MAGAverse, but not in the real world.

 

The funny thing about all this is that when you look at the big ticket issues.

Pharma

Immigration

the national debt

abortion 

student loans 

high cost of university

DACA

The DNC for the most part and the GOP a little Have had the power in government to pass legislation to correct and make these things into law or make changes.

 

Instead, they talk about climate change and spending money that no one has.

When Obama was in power he had the House and the Senate and still could only barely get ACA through.

 

The bottom line is that both parties are afraid to do anything that is not popular and may cost them votes.

 

Heaven forbid they tell people that they have to tighten their national purse strings or tell government workers that they are not getting a raise in their department budgets but some of them are getting cuts.

 

It is all about the money that they get from big business in their war chests and the perks they get,

 

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4 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

 

The funny thing about all this is that when you look at the big ticket issues.

Pharma

Immigration

the national debt

abortion 

student loans 

high cost of university

DACA

The DNC for the most part and the GOP a little Have had the power in government to pass legislation to correct and make these things into law or make changes.

 

Instead, they talk about climate change and spending money that no one has.

When Obama was in power he had the House and the Senate and still could only barely get ACA through.

 

The bottom line is that both parties are afraid to do anything that is not popular and may cost them votes.

 

Heaven forbid they tell people that they have to tighten their national purse strings or tell government workers that they are not getting a raise in their department budgets but some of them are getting cuts.

 

It is all about the money that they get from big business in their war chests and the perks they get,

 

Actually, the problem is that the people who voted for tax cuts repeatedly claimed that they would pay for themselves because of the boost they would give to the economy. That was the lie Reagan, Bush, and Trump told.

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

 

The funny thing about all this is that when you look at the big ticket issues.

Pharma

Immigration

the national debt

abortion 

student loans 

high cost of university

DACA

The DNC for the most part and the GOP a little Have had the power in government to pass legislation to correct and make these things into law or make changes.

 

Instead, they talk about climate change and spending money that no one has.

When Obama was in power he had the House and the Senate and still could only barely get ACA through.

 

The bottom line is that both parties are afraid to do anything that is not popular and may cost them votes.

 

Heaven forbid they tell people that they have to tighten their national purse strings or tell government workers that they are not getting a raise in their department budgets but some of them are getting cuts.

 

It is all about the money that they get from big business in their war chests and the perks they get,

 

Except that the Dems occassionally do something that helps people, whereas the GOP only helps billionaires.

 

Perhaps you are not paying attention.

 

Biden got the Inflation Reduction Act passed, which reduced inflation.

 

The Dems passed Obamacare and multiple enhancements.

 

The GOP passed tax cuts for billionaires.

[Pouatchee]

just like water, shelter and food free health care should be a right not an expense

 

unfortunately all 4 are businesses

Edited November 29, 2023 by Pouatchee

[Irish star]

He’s looking for a Grift Angle lol

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1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Except that the Dems occassionally do something that helps people, whereas the GOP only helps billionaires.

 

Perhaps you are not paying attention.

 

Biden got the Inflation Reduction Act passed, which reduced inflation.

 

The Dems passed Obamacare and multiple enhancements.

 

The GOP passed tax cuts for billionaires.

Well, I think a better example would be all the infrastructure aimed at relieving America's dependence that is currently being created thanks to the inflation reduction act. And lots of other stuff. It's dubious that the Act in the form it was passed reduced inflation considering that the tax side of the bill was largely cut back due to the stance of a couple of Democrats and all the Republicans.

And both Obama and Biden did get to propose and sign into law tax increases on the wealthy.

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26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, I think a better example would be all the infrastructure aimed at relieving America's dependence that is currently being created thanks to the inflation reduction act. And lots of other stuff. It's dubious that the Act in the form it was passed reduced inflation considering that the tax side of the bill was largely cut back due to the stance of a couple of Democrats and all the Republicans.

And both Obama and Biden did get to propose and sign into law tax increases on the wealthy.

I should add that there's no good evidence that the inflation reduction act added to inflation. The developed world generally experienced staggering inflation regardless of their governments' level of spending. What we do know is that the US recovery has been contrary to what was being predicted a year ago.

[Tug]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I should add that there's no good evidence that the inflation reduction act added to inflation. The developed world generally experienced staggering inflation regardless of their governments' level of spending. What we do know is that the US recovery has been contrary to what was being predicted a year ago.

That’s because we have a real president in office doing the correct things with a crack top notch team doing even the unpopular things to correct our economic course.another words not an NFT cartoon fraud 

[candide]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Actually, the problem is that the people who voted for tax cuts repeatedly claimed that they would pay for themselves because of the boost they would give to the economy. That was the lie Reagan, Bush, and Trump told.

In particular as top managers used this money to buy back their company's stock in order to inflate the value of their stock options. It's stupid to give tax cuts to companies without conditions, I.e invest in R&D or production.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

In particular as top managers used this money to buy back their company's stock in order to inflate the value of their stock options. It's stupid to give tax cuts to companies without conditions, I.e invest in R&D or production.

Actually, it's very common for executives to have their bonuses tied to the stock's performance. Until the Reagan administration, buying back shares to influence the price of stocks was illegal. And justly so. Clearly, it's stock price manipulation.

[candide]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, it's very common for executives to have their bonuses tied to the stock's performance. Until the Reagan administration, buying back shares to influence the price of stocks was illegal. And justly so. Clearly, it's stock price manipulation.

It's not only an issue of manipulation, the problem is that it is spent at the expense of funding innovation. Meanwhile Chinese companies such as Huawei have been consistently investing in innovation.

Check papers from Lazonick about financialization of the economy, if you are interested.

[neeray]

On 11/28/2023 at 1:01 AM, Jingthing said:

Unfortunately, as things stand now he's the favorite to take power again. The good news is that there is still plenty of time for that to fall apart. 

As an avid follower of all-things-tRump, I fully anticipate that things will "fall apart" in the 11 months before the election. Followers are decreasing, donors are shifting away, legal matters are slowly coming to a head, his mouth continues to spew out lies and wild claims on a daily basis, adding to his lack of credibility.

[Skipalongcassidy]

12 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

 Biden got the Inflation Reduction Act passed, which reduced inflation.

That's the stupidest post that you have made yet... even the democrapts a separating themselves from Bidenomics... 555

[Danderman123]

20 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

That's the stupidest post that you have made yet... even the democrapts a separating themselves from Bidenomics... 555

Can you post this in English?

[Danderman123]

Now JD Vance is talking about scrapping Obamacare.

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Now JD Vance is talking about scrapping Obamacare.

What's even more significant is that even in December of 2023 Trump was still lamenting that John McCain saved Obamacare. 

Trump University Founder Promises to Replace Obamacare With Something ”Cheaper” and “Better”

Trump said he’s not terminating Obamacare but then lamented John McCain didn’t terminate it

https://meidasnews.com/news/trump-university-founder-promises-to-replace-obamacare-with-something-cheaper-and-better

 

Now he's blatantly lying and claiming he never wanted to eliminate Obamacare.

 

Fact check: Does Trump want to repeal the ACA, as Biden says?

Trump campaigned on a promise to repeal Obamacare in 2016; a promise we rated Broken. He kept that anti-ACA position throughout his term, even after Republican senators, notably the late-Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., voted against repealing the health care law in 2017. In July 2021, the U.S. Supreme Court dismissed a case from Republican-led states and the former Trump administration that had asked justices to block the law. In late 2023, Trump renewed his vow to replace Obamacare multiple times.

https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-does-trump-want-to-repeal-the-aca-as-biden-says/21474989/

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On 11/29/2023 at 1:23 AM, kingstonkid said:

 

The funny thing about all this is that when you look at the big ticket issues.

Pharma

Immigration

the national debt

abortion 

student loans 

high cost of university

DACA

The DNC for the most part and the GOP a little Have had the power in government to pass legislation to correct and make these things into law or make changes.

 

Instead, they talk about climate change and spending money that no one has.

When Obama was in power he had the House and the Senate and still could only barely get ACA through.

 

The bottom line is that both parties are afraid to do anything that is not popular and may cost them votes.

 

Heaven forbid they tell people that they have to tighten their national purse strings or tell government workers that they are not getting a raise in their department budgets but some of them are getting cuts.

 

It is all about the money that they get from big business in their war chests and the perks they get,

 

The role money played in politics changed radically when the conservatives on the supreme court under Roberts ruled that money is speech. This allowed for unlimited amounts to be spent by private individuals.

In fact, under Biden the ACA was made very affordable to middle class people. And it was completely paid for by taxes imposed on the wealthy. Also, under Biden, Medicare was finally allowed to negotiate with big Pharma on drug costs: 20 medications per year for the next several years.

Trump campaigned in 2016 for negotiating prices with big Pharma but reneged even before he took office.

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1 hour ago, placeholder said:

The role money played in politics changed radically when the conservatives on the supreme court under Roberts ruled that money is speech. This allowed for unlimited amounts to be spent by private individuals.

In fact, under Biden the ACA was made very affordable to middle class people. And it was completely paid for by taxes imposed on the wealthy. Also, under Biden, Medicare was finally allowed to negotiate with big Pharma on drug costs: 20 medications per year for the next several years.

Trump campaigned in 2016 for negotiating prices with big Pharma but reneged even before he took office.

It should also be noted that Biden's improvements to Obamacare included a $2000 yearly ceiling on out-of-pocket spending for medication by Medicare members.