Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 42 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said: We've all seen it a million times. Er, no, "we all" have not seen it a million times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackleton Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Rip to the people who have died in this Tragic bus crash I use the Suvarnabhumi Airport bus to Hua Hin and feel safe travelling seat belts provided and good drivers There will be bus accidents in the future hopefully not involving to many people dying or getting injured as many people travel by bus in Thailand 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsallmine68 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 44 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said: yeah right the driver was probably reckless and swerving around cars at the fastest speed possible. They're too stupid or don't have enough emotional control to drive at safe speeds for the road conditions. We've all seen it a million times. If this has happened a million times then your comment doesnt help Thanks 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, ezzra said: What stumps me are the 3 'confused' reaction to my post What stumps me is why anyone cares so much that they post specifically about the completely inconsequential reactions of AN posters. Edited December 5, 2023 by Liverpool Lou 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Swift Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 3 hours ago, smedly said: yet more senseless loss of life on Thailands dangerous roads, you can make a guess what caused this to happen - driver fatigue - speeding - lack of driving skills - mobile phone use - mechanical failure etc etc etc but the fact remains - at least 14 people are dead due to all or a combination or one of the above RIP I wasn't aware that Thailand was the only place with "dangerous roads". I take it that there are no such accidents where you come from? All roads are dangerous to anyone who is not careful. Wherever there is driving there are going to be accidents and fatalities. It's a statistical certainty. There are just too many people on the roads for it not to happen. But yes, the question between the lines is, what can be done to address it and can/will such measures succeed? It's up to the investigators, and then the bus companies and government to implement what they learn. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 35 minutes ago, 1duckyboy said: Domestic or foreign tourists? It's usually stated in these type of stories. Hmmmm. Hmmmm. What difference does it make? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsallmine68 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sandboxer said: I'm sure all pax wore their seatbelts! Again you dont know therefore a wasted comment 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 minute ago, brianthainess said: The Tachograph will show all , When will they make it law to fit them to all HGVs and PSVs along with dash cams. Over to you PM and your so called Transport Minister who only seems concerned with Airports. Along with any law in Thailand being routinely ignored, there is a difference between requiring it to be fitted and actually having it turned on and functioning. Many years ago, the building on Sukhumvit that became the Intercontinental Hotel caught fire the day before it was due to open. I happened to be passing at the time and it was spectacular, with people trapped on the roof who were lifted off by helicopter and carried across to the roof of the current Thaksin residence, the Police Hospital. An air-conditioner had exploded and, although the law had required that a sprinkler system had to be installed and it was, there was no law to say it had to be turned on, and it wasn't. Years later I was in the BP building and they had huge photos on the wall of the blaze. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, neeray said: Such frequent 'accidents' are unnecessary. Who said that they were "necessary"? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 25 minutes ago, The Fugitive said: Can't remember from the last time I travelled by coach (it was NakonChaiAir), are there seatbelts fitted? NCA has belts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post neeray Posted December 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2023 Just now, Liverpool Lou said: Who said that they were "necessary"? Silly comment. 1 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: Why do reports here always refer to these as tour buses when they are not. This was a regular passenger service, not on a tour. They just like to trigger the chronically semantic. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 ...When There Are No Repercussions... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jonathan Swift said: I wasn't aware that Thailand was the only place with "dangerous roads". Where did you see anyone writing that, or did you just make up that they did? This was an accident in Thailand reported on a forum about Thailand, and that is why it is reported here. What happens elsewhere is of no relevance to this forum except perhaps to compare. Perhaps you didn't realise that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, stix40 said: These fibreglass tour buses are a death trap . They're more of a "deathtrap" than aluminium construction? How's that? How did the construction of this bus contribute to the deaths? Edited December 5, 2023 by Liverpool Lou 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Er, no, "we all" have not seen it a million times. Yeah true... more likely 5000 to 10000 times in the past 20yrs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said: 4 hours ago, ezzra said: With a population of nearly 72 millions and buss going everywhere day and night such accidents, by statistics, are bound to happen, good thing it doesn't happened too often... Are you trolling or actually serious? Thailand usually has the highest road death rate per capita year on year, Are you trolling or actually serious? Around 80% of those accidents do not involve buses because most deaths on Thailand's roads involve motorcycles. Edited December 5, 2023 by Liverpool Lou 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, itsallmine68 said: 33 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: It happened at 1am so I think the most likely cause was the driver dozing off. We read that Thais can sleep anywhere, anytime, and we read often that some manage to do it when driving. That should be impossible if you are concentrating on your driving, but difficult if you have the attention span of a goldfish. Again if you dont know then pipe up. Nationality does not depict if you fall asleep or not. You're right, of course, but, er, don't you mean "pipe down"?! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, itsallmine68 said: 36 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: It happened at 1am so I think the most likely cause was the driver dozing off. We read that Thais can sleep anywhere, anytime, and we read often that some manage to do it when driving. That should be impossible if you are concentrating on your driving, but difficult if you have the attention span of a goldfish. Again if you dont know then pipe up. Nationality does not depict if you fall asleep or not. Clearly, your reading skills aren't very good. I wrote I think, not that I know. There's a difference. Perhaps it is you who needs to pipe up instead of claiming I wrote something that I didn't. And it has been reported on this forum countless times that drivers have admitted falling asleep while driving. How many times have you read that from your own country? Edited December 5, 2023 by Bangkok Barry 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemsta69 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 34 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: It happened at 1am so I think the most likely cause was the driver dozing off. We read that Thais can sleep anywhere, anytime, and we read often that some manage to do it when driving. That should be impossible if you are concentrating on your driving, but difficult if you have the attention span of a goldfish. You've obviously been in the tropics too long and haven't heard of microsleeps. Here, I'll let Dr Karl explain it for you... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MdOhcmkI0dw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: NCA has belts. Many thanks for your information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 18 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: Along with any law in Thailand being routinely ignored, there is a difference between requiring it to be fitted and actually having it turned on and functioning. Many years ago, the building on Sukhumvit that became the Intercontinental Hotel caught fire the day before it was due to open. I happened to be passing at the time and it was spectacular, with people trapped on the roof who were lifted off by helicopter and carried across to the roof of the current Thaksin residence, the Police Hospital. An air-conditioner had exploded and, although the law had required that a sprinkler system had to be installed and it was, there was no law to say it had to be turned on, and it wasn't. Years later I was in the BP building and they had huge photos on the wall of the blaze. Oh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, neeray said: 18 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Who said that they were "necessary"? Silly comment. "Silly comment". Indeed it was, one of the silliest, so why did you both posting it? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Lemsta69 said: You've obviously been in the tropics too long and haven't heard of microsleeps. Here, I'll let Dr Karl explain it for you... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MdOhcmkI0dw What Thais call a microsleep is what most of us call a lack of concentration, the mind drifting off. Anyway, shouldn't the driver be alert at all times while operating a vehicle, instead of having a microsleep or dozing off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: I wrote I think, not that I know ... ...it has been reported on this forum countless times that drivers have admitted falling asleep while driving. "...reported on this forum countless times...". I think it is actually just three times. Edited December 5, 2023 by Liverpool Lou 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 36 minutes ago, itsallmine68 said: If you dont know, dont be skeptical. Saying this doesnt help the situation. There could be many reasons the Bus/Driver had this unfortunate accident Occam's razor. statistics here back it up i'm afraid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 4 hours ago, smedly said: yet more senseless loss of life on Thailands dangerous roads, you can make a guess what caused this to happen - driver fatigue - speeding - lack of driving skills - mobile phone use - mechanical failure etc etc etc but the fact remains - at least 14 people are dead due to all or a combination or one of the above RIP Thanks for narrowing the causes down so extensively... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, stoner said: 40 minutes ago, itsallmine68 said: If you dont know, dont be skeptical. Saying this doesnt help the situation. There could be many reasons the Bus/Driver had this unfortunate accident Occam's razor. statistics here back it up i'm afraid. Which "statistics" are those that relate to accidents involving buses? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smew Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Why was the tree there?... guilty as charged!!! cut it down.. bring more travelers !!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: NCA has belts. Relieved the National Crime Agency is taking safety seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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