Bracken5807 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 British guy dies in Thailand. Buddhist wedding, 2 children. I from his first wife in the UK, 2nd with the Thai lady. He had a condo and a pick-up in his own name. He has a bar in his Thai wife's name. She suspects he had another building that he owned but can't find any paperwork. Is it possible to check anywhere if there are other assets,,?. No will. Many thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Liverpool Lou Posted December 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) "Buddhist wedding". If there's no will and they weren't legally married I'd doubt that she would even be entitled to information about his estate, let alone the actual assets, which, I guess, she's hoping to get her hands on. Edited December 5, 2023 by Liverpool Lou 6 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracken5807 Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 I understand what you mean but surely as the mother of his 3yo she would have a right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAFETY FIRST Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Bracken5807 said: She suspects he had another building that he owned but can't find any paperwork. Is it possible to check anywhere if there are other assets Go to the land office and ask. My names on my Chanotes so they're registered with them. Payment may be necessary for information Edited December 5, 2023 by SAFETY FIRST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextG Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Bracken5807 said: British guy dies in Thailand. Buddhist wedding, 2 children. I from his first wife in the UK, 2nd with the Thai lady. He had a condo and a pick-up in his own name. He has a bar in his Thai wife's name. She suspects he had another building that he owned but can't find any paperwork. Is it possible to check anywhere if there are other assets,,?. No will. Many thanks If he didn’t tell her, perhaps he didn’t want her to have it. Up to him. Wasn’t the condo and pickup enough? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Bracken5807 said: I understand what you mean but surely as the mother of his 3yo she would have a right? yes 3yo is next of kin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post topt Posted December 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2023 5 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: yes 3yo is next of kin Presumably only if he was named on the birth certificate? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 9 hours ago, Bracken5807 said: I understand what you mean but surely as the mother of his 3yo she would have a right? Why, if they weren't legally a couple? Maybe the child would have some rights if he had been officially recorded as the child's father, something that doesn't always happen when the mother is single. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracken5807 Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 9 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said: Go to the land office and ask. My names on my Chanotes so they're registered with them. Payment may be necessary for information Thanks, that is what I wanted to know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracken5807 Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, topt said: Presumably only if he was named on the birth certificate? He is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracken5807 Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Why, if they weren't legally a couple? Maybe the child would have some rights if he had been officially recorded as the child's father, something that doesn't always happen when the mother is single. He is officially recorded as the childs father 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bracken5807 said: 1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said: Why, if they weren't legally a couple? Maybe the child would have some rights if he had been officially recorded as the child's father, something that doesn't always happen when the mother is single. He is officially recorded as the childs father So a court will have to administer the child's inheritance, if there is any? Edited December 6, 2023 by Liverpool Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 56 minutes ago, Bracken5807 said: 10 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said: Go to the land office and ask. My names on my Chanotes so they're registered with them. Payment may be necessary for information Thanks, that is what I wanted to know The land office will probably want to know some details of the property, such as the address, or will it trawl through every single property record on it's books? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Gon Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 If they were living together for some years. Don't remember how many years. I am quite sure the domestic partner laws would give her something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Liverpool Lou Posted December 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, 12Gon said: If they were living together for some years. Don't remember how many years. I am quite sure the domestic partner laws would give her something. "...the domestic partner laws would give her something". Which laws are those? "...if you are unmarried but living with a Thai partner, your partner may not be entitled to anything at all". https://www.thaicontracts.com/articles/8-thai-law-isn-t-simple/36-foreigners-and-inheritance-in-thailand.html "De-facto informal marriages, common-law marriage or Buddhist marriage or any religious marriage ceremony are not recognized as legal marriages under Thai Civil Law and therefore do not create any legal rights, duties, powers, or responsibilities of husband and wife. Only officially registered marriages entered into the government´s marriage register are recognized as legal and valid marriages in Thailand and will create the rights, duties and responsibilities of husband and wife under Thai family laws". https://www.thaicontracts.com/articles/8-thai-law-isn-t-simple/66-marriage-in-thailand.html#:~:text=De-facto informal marriages%2C common,responsibilities of husband and wife. Edited December 6, 2023 by Liverpool Lou 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tandor Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 17 hours ago, Bracken5807 said: British guy dies in Thailand. Buddhist wedding, 2 children. I from his first wife in the UK, 2nd with the Thai lady. He had a condo and a pick-up in his own name. He has a bar in his Thai wife's name. She suspects he had another building that he owned but can't find any paperwork. Is it possible to check anywhere if there are other assets,,?. No will. Many thanks a Thai lawyer can do the land title search, plus banks and financial institutions easily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKra Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said: "...the domestic partner laws would give her something". Which laws are those? "...if you are unmarried but living with a Thai partner, your partner may not be entitled to anything at all". https://www.thaicontracts.com/articles/8-thai-law-isn-t-simple/36-foreigners-and-inheritance-in-thailand.html "De-facto informal marriages, common-law marriage or Buddhist marriage or any religious marriage ceremony are not recognized as legal marriages under Thai Civil Law and therefore do not create any legal rights, duties, powers, or responsibilities of husband and wife. Only officially registered marriages entered into the government´s marriage register are recognized as legal and valid marriages in Thailand and will create the rights, duties and responsibilities of husband and wife under Thai family laws". https://www.thaicontracts.com/articles/8-thai-law-isn-t-simple/66-marriage-in-thailand.html#:~:text=De-facto informal marriages%2C common,responsibilities of husband and wife. website you are referring to is nice and easy for non-legals :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Bracken5807 said: He is officially recorded as the childs father The child would be heir after Thai law, not the mother, if there is no last will. There need to be a lawyer or a by court appointed executor handling the estate; they will get access to information. Official record as father to a child is not enough with a name on a birth certificate, by that age you also need a DNA-test, when not registered married to the mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexxter Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 This is a lesson for everyone. MAKE A WILL before you die. Leave the ORIGINAL will with a law firm. Leave a prominent note detailing the law firm's contact details with a COPY of the will in a prominent place at home. This way YOU decide who gets what. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamloki Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 8 hours ago, topt said: Presumably only if he was named on the birth certificate? If not on the birth certificate, wouldn't DNA establish claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAFETY FIRST Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: The land office will probably want to know some details of the property, such as the address, or will it trawl through every single property record on it's books? Name and passport number should be enough information to link property on their database. Edited December 6, 2023 by SAFETY FIRST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAFETY FIRST Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 16 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said: 22 hours ago, Bracken5807 said: She suspects he had another building that he owned but can't find any paperwork. Is it possible to check anywhere if there are other assets Go to the land office and ask. My names on my Chanotes so they're registered with them. Payment may be necessary for information I forgot to mention.... My name on Chanotes have been translated to Thai so before going to the land office have his name translated. So translated name and passport should be enough information for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Gon Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 10 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: "...the domestic partner laws would give her something". Which laws are those? "...if you are unmarried but living with a Thai partner, your partner may not be entitled to anything at all". https://www.thaicontracts.com/articles/8-thai-law-isn-t-simple/36-foreigners-and-inheritance-in-thailand.html "De-facto informal marriages, common-law marriage or Buddhist marriage or any religious marriage ceremony are not recognized as legal marriages under Thai Civil Law and therefore do not create any legal rights, duties, powers, or responsibilities of husband and wife. Only officially registered marriages entered into the government´s marriage register are recognized as legal and valid marriages in Thailand and will create the rights, duties and responsibilities of husband and wife under Thai family laws". https://www.thaicontracts.com/articles/8-thai-law-isn-t-simple/66-marriage-in-thailand.html#:~:text=De-facto informal marriages%2C common,responsibilities of husband and wife. If they haven't rewritten the law in the last 10 years. I am very confident that they do exist. I was warned about it and later in contact with lawyers. According to them my ex could have had a right to 50% of everything I bought when we were a couple as we had lived together for so many year. I would also have been able to get 50 percent of everything she bought during the same time period. Made a very fast Google and found. "If the cohabiting couple have lived together for a significant period of time and there are titled assets at stake {e.g. land, houses, condominiums] a lawsuit is more a question of “when” not “if.” " https://www.aaacoth.com/living-with-your-thai-girlfriend-cohabitation-family-law-in-thailand/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss1960 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 On 12/6/2023 at 1:08 AM, Bracken5807 said: I understand what you mean but surely as the mother of his 3yo she would have a right? Only, if the guy is registered as the father on the birth certificate of the child (as mentioned above). Then she could take the birth certificate and the death certificate to the court, have the court establish inheritance rights for the child, and with that paper, she can start her search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 9 hours ago, 12Gon said: 20 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: "...the domestic partner laws would give her something". Which laws are those? "...if you are unmarried but living with a Thai partner, your partner may not be entitled to anything at all". https://www.thaicontracts.com/articles/8-thai-law-isn-t-simple/36-foreigners-and-inheritance-in-thailand.html "De-facto informal marriages, common-law marriage or Buddhist marriage or any religious marriage ceremony are not recognized as legal marriages under Thai Civil Law and therefore do not create any legal rights, duties, powers, or responsibilities of husband and wife. Only officially registered marriages entered into the government´s marriage register are recognized as legal and valid marriages in Thailand and will create the rights, duties and responsibilities of husband and wife under Thai family laws". https://www.thaicontracts.com/articles/8-thai-law-isn-t-simple/66-marriage-in-thailand.html#:~:text=De-facto informal marriages%2C common,responsibilities of husband and wife. Expand If they haven't rewritten the law in the last 10 years. I am very confident that they do exist. I was warned about it and later in contact with lawyers. According to them my ex could have had a right to 50% of everything I bought when we were a couple as we had lived together for so many year. I would also have been able to get 50 percent of everything she bought during the same time period. Made a very fast Google and found. "If the cohabiting couple have lived together for a significant period of time and there are titled assets at stake {e.g. land, houses, condominiums] a lawsuit is more a question of “when” not “if.” " https://www.aaacoth.com/living-with-your-thai-girlfriend-cohabitation-family-law-in-thailand/ So, as I suggested, there are no laws covering cohabitation as you claimed there could be. Your link states that a cohabitation agreement would be required to have any rights and any lawsuit would be a civil action, not an action covered by rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimTripper Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just for once I would like to hear a story about someone's life when they pass and not about assets 🤷🏻♂️🙏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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