Special counsel outlines bid to show Trump motive, knowledge of plan to stay in power

[CharlieH]

 

Special Counsel Jack Smith’s team outlined the evidence it has collected against former President Trump on Tuesday, walking through information it says will showcase his motive and knowledge of a plan to block the transfer of power.

The breakdown comes in a request to introduce evidence of events both before and after the conspiracy outlined in Trump’s indictment, an effort to “establish his motive, intent, preparation, knowledge” and plans related to his efforts to stay in power.

 

The 9-page filing shows prosecutors plan to showcase an array of Trump comments dating as far back as 2012, when he sought to cast into doubt the legitimacy of elections whose results he did not favor.

That includes the multiple instances when Trump refused to commit to accept the results of either the 2016 or 2020 election.

Prosecutors also plan to show evidence gathered about other Trump associates, including the encouraging of riots at a Detroit vote-counting center and the targeting of a Republican National Committee attorney who countered Trump’s claims of fraud.

“The Campaign Employee encouraged rioting and other methods of obstruction when he learned that the vote count was trending in favor of the defendant’s opponent,” the filing says of a campaign employee who sought to mobilize riots at the TCF Center after President Biden took the lead in vote counts.

“Thereafter, Trump made repeated false claims regarding election activities at the TCF Center, when in truth his agent was seeking to cause a riot to disrupt the count.”

But much of the filing indicates prosecutors plan to bring in an array of Trump comments they argue show a longstanding refusal to accept election results and instead undermine the process, something they say all show “his motive, intent, and plan to obstruct the certification of the 2020 election results and illegitimately retain power.”

 

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[Tug]

LOCK HIM UP!trump is really lucky this is a civilized country and the the law will follow it’s course in many countries he would be in prison allready or worse!

[Danderman123]

Let me save you some time, concerning the January 6 conspiracy:

 

the plan was to have a crowd attack the Capitol and remove Mike Pence. Then, Charles Grassley would be in charge, and he would throw out electoral votes from states that Biden won. 

 

Simple.

 

I am sure the Trump crowd won't understand this.

[Danderman123]

Part of Jack Smith's latest filing describes a conspiracy to delay the counting of votes in Michigan. Once the vote tally showed Biden winning in Michigan, the plan was to stage a riot at the election central.

 

This may be why Jack Smith didn't indict anyone in Michigan - yet.

 

It certainly demonstrates that Trump knew immediately that he lost the election.

[Thingamabob]

For 'Special Counsel' read 'bent official'.

[candide]

2 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

For 'Special Counsel' read 'bent official'.

Thank you for your valuable contribution! 

[Georgealbert]

18 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

For 'Special Counsel' read 'bent official'.

555555

 

What a highly thought out constructive reply.

 

Can you post your evidence of your claim, or we it something someone told you in a bar.

[newnative]

Lock him up already.

[TheFishman1]

Trump is guilty lock him up

[HappyExpat57]

Remember when they tracked down Saddam Hussein and were jamming sticks up his bum? I wish the same on the tangerine traffic cone of treason.

[beautifulthailand99]

We need to have a coup to stop a coup - that or a "controlled demolition" ! A probable KGB person of influence is looking at a second term and pulling out of NATO scary stuff indeed.

Edited December 6, 2023 by beautifulthailand99

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

For 'Special Counsel' read 'bent official'.

Do you think any of the charges against Trump are not warranted?

[Yellowtail]

This is hilarious. 

[thesetat]

3 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Remember when they tracked down Saddam Hussein and were jamming sticks up his bum? I wish the same on the tangerine traffic cone of treason.

remember when they said he would strike the usa and then turned out the prez just had a grudge against that man and most of the weapons allegations proved to be false?

[Caldera]

As a former commander-in-chief, he should be tried in a military court, which would save everyone some time.

 

It's blatantly obvious to anyone who can see that he attempted to undermine the certification process of the election results in Congress by inciting a mob after everything else had failed. Not least to deter future presidents from attempting the same, he needs to be given the most severe punishment for his crimes. 

[nauseus]

It's blatantly obvious to anyone who can see that Jack Smith has Jack Smit. 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, thesetat said:

remember when they said he would strike the usa and then turned out the prez just had a grudge against that man and most of the weapons allegations proved to be false?

Yes, but Saddam killed a bunch of Kurds in 1988. Don't forget that.

[Danderman123]

23 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It's blatantly obvious to anyone who can see that Jack Smith has Jack Smit. 

Are you drunk?

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

This is hilarious. 

Are you watching SNL or what?

[Danderman123]

and Nevada just indicted its fake electors.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Let me save you some time, concerning the January 6 conspiracy:

 

the plan was to have a crowd attack the Capitol and remove Mike Pence. Then, Charles Grassley would be in charge, and he would throw out electoral votes from states that Biden won. 

 

Simple.

 

I am sure the Trump crowd won't understand this.

Your problem is proving that Trump was part of that plan. As he didn't say anything to indicate that in public, they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was part of a conspiracy, which will be very hard to do.

Another going nowhere irrelevance IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Caldera said:

As a former commander-in-chief, he should be tried in a military court, which would save everyone some time.

 

It's blatantly obvious to anyone who can see that he attempted to undermine the certification process of the election results in Congress by inciting a mob after everything else had failed. Not least to deter future presidents from attempting the same, he needs to be given the most severe punishment for his crimes. 

Just as well you ain't in charge then. Ever heard of the Constitution?

[Tug]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just as well you ain't in charge then. Ever heard of the Constitution?

Oh I’m sure he has,one things for sure trump never read it and he’s done his level best to thwart it that’s for sure.one thing is for sure trump has been a tremendous asset to our enemies and folks who hate democracy and the rule of law!

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Your problem is proving that Trump was part of that plan. As he didn't say anything to indicate that in public, they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was part of a conspiracy, which will be very hard to do.

Another going nowhere irrelevance IMO.

You will see the evidence in 2024.

 

But I agree that the link between the White House and the Proud Boys has not been described yet.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

You will see the evidence in 2024.

 

But I agree that the link between the White House and the Proud Boys has not been described yet.

Don't hold your breath waiting for one. They probably had FBI stooges in it to know. The FBI apparently has a history of putting it's own into such organisations and having them stir up something for which they can be arrested.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Don't hold your breath waiting for one. They probably had FBI stooges in it to know. The FBI apparently has a history of putting it's own into such organisations and having them stir up something for which they can be arrested.

If that were the case, there would be high ranking Proud Boys who were not arrested, but who participated in the attack on the Capitol.

 

There *were* informants in the Proud Boys leadership, but they didn't pass anything along about the January 6 attack.

[Seppius]

Suppose he does win next year, can he now do 2 terms in office?

 

[Danderman123]

27 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Suppose he does win next year, can he now do 2 terms in office?

 

If Trump were to win in 2024, he would be ineligible to run again.

 

In reality, he would simply abolish elections and stay in office for the rest of his life.

[Danderman123]

Trump is asking the Court of Appeals to rule that Trump had immunity for his actions while president, because reasons.

 

Jack Smith has already asked the Supreme Court to decide the issue, to save time.

 

I suspect it will go 7-2 against Trump.

[thesetat]

On 12/7/2023 at 12:45 PM, Danderman123 said:

If Trump were to win in 2024, he would be ineligible to run again.

 

In reality, he would simply abolish elections and stay in office for the rest of his life.

You Trump haters will say anything whether true or not to make it seem like he could actually do this. You must be ignorant of the procedures needed to abolish parts or the constitution and of the voting rights and laws. Or perhaps you simply compare things to Thailand and have forgotten about what true democracy really is? 

The only power Trump has regarding laws voting is to Veto a request to change a law. He has no power to make it changed. This is done by Congress and Legislation... It takes large percentages of votes to approve something like that and votes done by different entities. Each of those have their first concern about what their respective citizens want. 

What you are suggesting would surely create a Civil War.