stevenl Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, Morch said: You contradict yourself. Not to a comprehensive reader. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, stevenl said: "How concerned is Israel about civilian casualties?" I think not at all. They'd love to go all out but know it would lose them all remaining support. Of course they would love to go all out on Hamas but unfortunately Hamas is using the civilians as human shields so they can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, stevenl said: Not to a comprehensive reader. You said they don't care. The next thing you say they'd do even more if they weren't worried about losing support. So even according to you, they care - if not for the reasons you'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Meanwhile, CNN also cited similar findings, stating that Tel Aviv's bombing in the first month of the war "had not been seen since Vietnam". https://www.wionews.com/world/israel-used-2000-pound-bombs-to-kill-civilians-in-gaza-reports-672570 Correction, Wio News cited CNN with no link to the CNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Correction, Wio News cited CNN with no link to the CNN ‘Not seen since Vietnam’: Israel dropped hundreds of 2,000-pound bombs on Gaza, analysis shows Weapons and warfare experts blame the extensive use of heavy munitions such as the 2,000-pound bomb for the soaring death toll. The population of Gaza is packed together much more tightly than almost anywhere else on earth, so the use of such heavy munitions has a profound effect. “The use of 2,000-pound bombs in an area as densely populated as Gaza means it will take decades for communities to recover,” https://edition.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html Edited December 22, 2023 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: ‘Not seen since Vietnam’: Israel dropped hundreds of 2,000-pound bombs on Gaza, analysis shows Weapons and warfare experts blame the extensive use of heavy munitions such as the 2,000-pound bomb for the soaring death toll. The population of Gaza is packed together much more tightly than almost anywhere else on earth, so the use of such heavy munitions has a profound effect. “The use of 2,000-pound bombs in an area as densely populated as Gaza means it will take decades for communities to recover,” https://edition.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html I didn't disbelieve it, I corrected you. That outfit is well known for it: "However, they usually poorly source their articles using quotations without linking to the source" https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/wion-world-one-news/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, Morch said: You said they don't care. The next thing you say they'd do even more if they weren't worried about losing support. So even according to you, they care - if not for the reasons you'd like. Israel is not concerned about civilian casualties, it doesn't care about the people. It cares about the repercussions, not the people. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: I didn't disbelieve it, I corrected you. That outfit is well known for it: "However, they usually poorly source their articles using quotations without linking to the source" https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/wion-world-one-news/ But you will concede that in this instance they got it right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, stevenl said: Israel is not concerned about civilian casualties, it doesn't care about the people. It cares about the repercussions, not the people. If you say so. Bottom line is the same, though. Personally, I think that if there was a feasible way to handle it with significantly less casualties, it would have been adopted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: But you will concede that in this instance they got it right? @ozimoron Got what right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: But you will concede that in this instance they got it right? What is it with you and comprehending what been written already: 8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: I didn't disbelieve it, I corrected you. That outfit is well known for it: "However, they usually poorly source their articles using quotations without linking to the source" https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/wion-world-one-news/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: What is it with you and comprehending what been written already: You attacked a media outfit which committed no error as unreliable. Just continuing your track record of attacking everyone who comments unfavourably about Israel. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: You attacked a media outfit which committed no error as unreliable. Just continuing your track record of attacking everyone who comments unfavourably about Israel. B.S. its a quote from the link I provided, here we go with the lies again 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, Bkk Brian said: B.S. its a quote from the link I provided, here we go with the lies again You provided that quote to attack the credibility of the mews organisation because you were offended by its content which you won't now acknowledge was accurate 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: You attacked a media outfit which committed no error as unreliable. Just continuing your track record of attacking everyone who comments unfavourably about Israel. @ozimoron People living in glass houses and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: You provided that quote to attack the credibility of the mews organisation because you were offended by its content which you won't now acknowledge was accurate You need to stop the lies and telling me when I'm offended or not. I already admitted quote was accurate "I didn't disbelieve it, I corrected you." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep Right Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 10:57 AM, Nick Carter icp said: Is the headline quite biased from the BBC ? They could have used the angle of "The USA fully supports Israel" "Biden says most of the World supports Israel" But the BBC choose a negative (to Israel) angle of the story The globalist, left wing BBC is certainly bias. No one care what this trash news site reports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 I think it's reasonable to surmise that Israel's reluctance to engage in cease fire talks and stepping up it's bombardment of the west bank is part of a deliberate plan to force a war with Iran, something Netanyau has long yearned to do. "Iran needs them as a deterrent in case Israel struck the nuclear facilities. They want it to be in Israel's calculation that if they were ever to launch a strike inside of Iran proper, Hezbollah would rain down thousands of sophisticated missiles," he said. "But it's the Israelis who seemingly want it to happen because of their new psyche," Allen said, referring to the collective feeling of insecurity prompted by Hamas' October 7 attack. https://www.newsweek.com/israel-next-war-gaza-hamas-hezbollah-lebanon-1854496 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: I think it's reasonable to surmise that Israel's reluctance to engage in cease fire talks and stepping up it's bombardment of the west bank is part of a deliberate plan to force a war with Iran, something Netanyau has long yearned to do. "Iran needs them as a deterrent in case Israel struck the nuclear facilities. They want it to be in Israel's calculation that if they were ever to launch a strike inside of Iran proper, Hezbollah would rain down thousands of sophisticated missiles," he said. "But it's the Israelis who seemingly want it to happen because of their new psyche," Allen said, referring to the collective feeling of insecurity prompted by Hamas' October 7 attack. https://www.newsweek.com/israel-next-war-gaza-hamas-hezbollah-lebanon-1854496 I think it's reasonable to surmise that Israel's reluctance to engage in cease fire talks and stepping up it's bombardment of the west bank is part of a deliberate plan to force a war with Iran, something Netanyau has long yearned to do. Strange that because Israel just offered a temp ceasefire for further hostage releases and Hamss refused. "Hamas rejected an Israeli offer on Wednesday to implement a weeklong cease-fire if the militant group releases 40 hostages" https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/12/21/hamas-cease-fire-hostages-israel-un-security-council-prague-mass-shooting-university/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Israeli National Security Advisor Tzachi Hangebi said Israel may have to go to war against Hezbollah to prevent a deadlier version of 7 October unfolding in Northern Israel. "The Israelis are anticipating within the next six weeks to two months that if the diplomatic track isn't working, they're going to have to opt for some kind of military solution" https://www.newarab.com/analysis/all-out-war-between-israel-and-hezbollah-horizon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: I think it's reasonable to surmise that Israel's reluctance to engage in cease fire talks and stepping up it's bombardment of the west bank is part of a deliberate plan to force a war with Iran, something Netanyau has long yearned to do. Strange that because Israel just offered a temp ceasefire for further hostage releases and Hamss refused. "Hamas rejected an Israeli offer on Wednesday to implement a weeklong cease-fire if the militant group releases 40 hostages" https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/12/21/hamas-cease-fire-hostages-israel-un-security-council-prague-mass-shooting-university/ as if they were ever going to give up 40 hostages for a week long ceasefire. It was obviously an offer designed to fail. Hamas want a permanent solution right now, something Israel won't contemplate if it involves a Palestinian state and return of the illegal settlements. Edited December 22, 2023 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 The Biden administration has meanwhile restrained Israel itself from full-scale operations in Lebanon. Unfortunately, continued Houthi harassment of shipping through the Red Sea presents a risk of expanding war. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/22/risk-war-middle-east-biden-israel-hamas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: as if they were ever going to give up 40 hostages for a week long ceasefire. It was obviously an offer designed to fail. Hamas want a permanent solution right now, something Israel won't contemplate if it involves a Palestinian state and return of the illegal settlements. lol....you need to do some research, the last hostage release was 81 Israelis and it was for a week, its a better deal they are offering this time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: lol....you need to do some research, the last hostage release was 81 Israelis and it was for a week, its a better deal they are offering this time I'm saying that hamas had no reason to take it this time. And guess what, I'm right! They didn't! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 In the past decade or so, Hamas, a Sunni Muslim group, has become an integral part of Iran's broader network of Shia militias. But experts agree that while Iran is wary of being dragged into the Israel-Hamas war, it may not be in full control if the militias it backs in the region independently intervene as Hamas suffers heavy blows and the death toll in Gaza continues to mount. https://www.tbsnews.net/features/panorama/israel-iran-war-cards-742054 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: I'm saying that hamas had no reason to take it this time. And guess what, I'm right! They didn't! And guess what, I'm right! Get a grip man. Hamas refused 2 days ago when it was published...........lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 "In my view, Hezbollah is going to maintain the tempo of firing into northern Israel to demonstrate its 'resistance' credentials and show solidarity with the Palestinians, but not attempt to do anything that would provoke full-scale war with the Israelis," says Jeffrey Feltman, a former U.S. assistant secretary of state and U.N. undersecretary general. "After all, the primary purpose of Hezbollah's massive arsenal is to deter Israel from a massive strike on Iran or to retaliate in case of such a strike," says Feltman, now a fellow at the Brookings Institution. Hezbollah is considered by security analysts to be one of the most heavily armed paramilitaries in the world. https://www.npr.org/2023/12/19/1219748268/lebanon-hezbollah-israel-hamas-iran-war 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: And guess what, I'm right! Get a grip man. Hamas refused 2 days ago when it was published...........lol Did I claim it was half an hour ago? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: Did I claim it was half an hour ago? No more food for you............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Israel is directly involved in this debate. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Galant continue threatening to turn Beirut into another Gaza, should Hezbollah ignite a wider war. Hezbollah, the most powerful non-state military force in the world, has been entrenching itself in south Lebanon for decades. With an estimated force of about fifty thousand hardened fighters and an arsenal of over a hundred thousand missiles, Hezbollah will not cede its strategic foothold, its hardened bunkers, or its network of underground tunnels just because Israel demands it. https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4365909-israel-and-lebanon-are-sliding-into-war-but-the-us-can-still-stop-it/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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