Deputy PM Somsak makes false claim over cancer cure

[snoop1130]

 

Deputy Prime Minister Somsak Thepsuthin has suggested, on a television programme, that cancer can be cured by drinking papaya leaf tea, claiming that some patients could confirm the method’s efficacy. He noted, however, that it does not work with all cancers.

 

His revelation surprised many, as the government’s Anti-Fake News Centre had issued a statement last year warning that there is no scientific evidence to support the efficacy of the method.

 

“There is no study or clinical research that confirms that leaves and flowers of papaya could cure cancer,” the centre said.

 

Caption: Anti-Fake News Center Thailand says papaya tea can cure cancer is fake news.

 

Full story: Thai PBS 2023-12-27

 

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[rbkk]

So after these comments he's moved to the Public Health portfolio, today! Fact. 555555555

[Peabody]

Didn't he violate several anti-fake news laws by saying that? Prosecution imminent, no doubt.

[Pique Dard]

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

 

Deputy Prime Minister Somsak Thepsuthin has suggested, on a television programme, that cancer can be cured by drinking papaya leaf tea, claiming that some patients could confirm the method’s efficacy.

...i didn't know that this politician had studied medicine too

[VincentRJ]

I did a search on the internet to find any studies on this issue, and found quite a few that support the claim that papaya leaf has anti-cancer properties. Here's just a couple, for those who are interested.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734615/

 

"Carica papaya leaf decoction, an Australian Aboriginal remedy, has been reported widely for its healing capabilities against cancer, with numerous anecdotal reports. Recently, scientific studies have demonstrated the inhibitory activity of this decoction on the proliferation of both haematopoietic cell lines and solid tumour cell lines. The decoction was prepared by brewing Carica papaya leaves with water in a glass beaker or wooden vessel for a period of time (varying from 5 minutes to 12 hours in various reports). The heating process to prepare the decoction can potentially affect temperature-sensitive compounds, leading to possible changes in bioactivity. 
 

In our study, in comparison with the decoction, the leaf juice not only exhibited a stronger cytotoxic effect on SCC25 cancer cells, but also produced a clear significant selective effect when tested on non-cancerous HaCaT cells in parallel with cancer cells."

 

https://ufhealth.org/news/2010/uf-researchers-find-cancer-fighting-properties-papaya-tea

 

"University of Florida researcher Nam Dang, M.D., Ph.D., and colleagues in Japan have documented papaya's dramatic anticancer effect against a broad range of lab-grown tumors, including cancers of the cervix, breast, liver, lung and pancreas. The researchers used an extract made from dried papaya leaves, and the anticancer effects were stronger when cells received larger doses of the tea."

[hotchilli]

11 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Deputy Prime Minister Somsak Thepsuthin has suggested, on a television programme, that cancer can be cured by drinking papaya leaf tea, claiming that some patients could confirm the method’s efficacy.

Thailand works in mysterious ways.

[nobodysfriend]

There is another plant used to cure cancer :

 

Laboratory tests conducted at the University of Newcastle and Hunter Medical Research Institute have shown that a modified form of medicinal cannabis can kill or inhibit cancer cells without impacting normal cells, revealing its potential as a treatment rather than simply a relief medication.

 

https://www.newcastle.edu.au/newsroom/featured/tests-show-potential-for-medicinal-cannabis-to-kill-cancer-cells

 

It seems , in  any case , that  it is a good prophylaxis that prevents cancer to appear .

Edited December 28, 2023 by nobodysfriend

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

There is another plant used to cure cancer

Dried grass too... it's called clutching at straws.

[stoner]

3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Dried grass too... it's called clutching at straws.

 

what an ill informed comment. 

[mikebell]

23 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

what an ill informed comment. 

I thought it was clever and funny.

 

'Deputy Prime Minister Somsak Thepsuthin has suggested, on a television programme' for which he was paid?

[stoner]

2 minutes ago, mikebell said:

I thought it was clever and funny.

 

'Deputy Prime Minister Somsak Thepsuthin has suggested, on a television programme' for which he was paid?

 

of course you did. 

[mfd101]

So my weekly papaya salad & larb at PTT is going to give me an extra 10 years?

[mikebell]

2 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

of course you did. 

Do you want me to explain the idiom 'clutching at straws'?

[stoner]

5 minutes ago, mikebell said:

Do you want me to explain the idiom 'clutching at straws'?

 

do you want me to explain that the comment you replied to saying how witty it was... was in reference to cannabis. then you went ahead and posted about the doctor being paid for papaya. 

 

so yes please do explain. 

[sammieuk1]

So fake news from a fake DPM in a fake government then 🤔

[mikebell]

6 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

do you want me to explain that the comment you replied to saying how witty it was... was in reference to cannabis. then you went ahead and posted about the doctor being paid for papaya. 

 

so yes please do explain. 

What's the meaning of the phrase 'Clutch at straws'?

Try any route to get out of a desperate situation, no matter how unlikely it is to succeed.

So the (new) Minister for Medicine posts a dubious claim that papaya can cure cancer on TV presumably whilst being paid appearance money (in a desperate attempt to justify his promotion?)  What's wrong with bringing in reference to cannabis which is also supposedly good for cancer?

[stoner]

2 minutes ago, mikebell said:

What's wrong with bringing in reference to cannabis which is also supposedly good for cancer?

 

considering the mountain of information and research out there on this subject (cannabis and cancer). i stand by my comment. 

 

other posters have also posted information about papaya on here which has been brushed aside. yet professionals at universities think there is something there. 

 

have you been studying and testing these things like the people with PHD's have ? or ? 

 

let me be quite clear as well before you go down a rabbit hole.

 

no i do not think papaya cures all cancer. but it seems there may be some results that other people have had as shown by professionals. 

 

no i do not think cannabis cures all cancer. but there are so many real world cases where it seems quite possible that cannabis in fact did help suppress and or cure the cancer in some individuals. 

 

just like the benefits of pine needles is an old native tale. but lets keep going on about some silly strawman bs. 

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, nobodysfriend said:

There is another plant used to cure cancer :

It is not necessarily the content of a comment that is "fake" but the words used, such as "cure".

Cancer is a controversial subject and not really fully understood. Years ago when the first claims were made over the nuclear testing in Oz the UK government went into denial mode. However research moved on and science did establish a possible link after Chernobyl, now there is a general acceptance that cancer can be a result of DNA damage many years previously.

That being the case it is not out of the question that certain substances may help repair any DNA damage or slow down any further development as a result of damage. It is now fairly well acknowledged that skin cancer and lung cancer can be a result of overexposure, so what about other cancers.

If there is viable evidence to that effect then there only the self appointed experts in a position to dispute it. We can only hope for more positive results from the research in the years ahead. Without that reseach people will continue to live in ignorance, in particular the natural skeptics.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-11-28/debates/23112839000001/NuclearTestVeteransMedicalRecords

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, mikebell said:

So the (new) Minister for Medicine posts a dubious claim that papaya can cure cancer on TV

Did you actually hear him use the word "cure" or is it something you have read in the media?

I kow a lot of people that have had cancer in one form or another and none of them have ever been told by the doctors they have been cured.

More likely he said something like help them live with cancer but par for the course on this forum, and the media, to distort the context to suit the agenda.

[fondue zoo]

Isn't this the same fellow that was recently shuffled because he's somewhat of a firecracker?

[Will B Good]

This will work......but only if you are rubbing your head with a cat as you drink it.

[newnative]

Lock him up for violating the law.

[Srikcir]

20 hours ago, VincentRJ said:

papaya's dramatic anticancer effect against a broad range of lab-grown tumors,

I'm glad petri dishes survived.

But are there any controlled clinical trials using people with cancers deemed to have no cure were in fact cured?

https://www.livescience.com/11041-10-deadliest-cancers-cure.html

 

[MangoKorat]

Remember one thing folks............

 

The raw materials for just about every medicine out there comes from plants.

[Artisi]

20 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Dried grass too... it's called clutching at straws.

Very clever comment, although way-off the mark by someone who appears to be devoid of any knowledge of pharmacology. 

 

[Artisi]

20 hours ago, stoner said:

 

do you want me to explain that the comment you replied to saying how witty it was... was in reference to cannabis. then you went ahead and posted about the doctor being paid for papaya. 

 

so yes please do explain. 

It wasn't in reference to cannabis, if you look at the response it said "dried grass too" that indicates adding an additional item to the discussion. 

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

Very clever comment, although way-off the mark by someone who appears to be devoid of any knowledge of pharmacology. 

 

I don't think that is a particular qualification obligated to post in the thread, do you?

[stoner]

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

It wasn't in reference to cannabis, if you look at the response it said "dried grass too" that indicates adding an additional item to the discussion. 

 

and if you look into dried grass it is often referred to when speaking about cannabis. 

[mikebell]

21 hours ago, sandyf said:

Did you actually hear him use the word "cure" or is it something you have read in the media?

I kow a lot of people that have had cancer in one form or another and none of them have ever been told by the doctors they have been cured.

More likely he said something like help them live with cancer but par for the course on this forum, and the media, to distort the context to suit the agenda.

I got the word cure from the media headline in this thread - 'Deputy PM Somsak makes false claim over cancer cure'.  This is where I get all my information as I cannot read written Thai nor understand spoken Thai sufficiently well. 

How do you get to your conjectural comment 'More likely he said something like help them live with cancer but par for the course on this forum, and the media, to distort the context to suit the agenda.'

[mikebell]

23 hours ago, stoner said:

 

considering the mountain of information and research out there on this subject (cannabis and cancer). i stand by my comment. 

 

other posters have also posted information about papaya on here which has been brushed aside. yet professionals at universities think there is something there. 

 

have you been studying and testing these things like the people with PHD's have ? or ? 

 

let me be quite clear as well before you go down a rabbit hole.

 

no i do not think papaya cures all cancer. but it seems there may be some results that other people have had as shown by professionals. 

 

no i do not think cannabis cures all cancer. but there are so many real world cases where it seems quite possible that cannabis in fact did help suppress and or cure the cancer in some individuals. 

 

just like the benefits of pine needles is an old native tale. but lets keep going on about some silly strawman bs. 

I don't know what's brought on this diatribe.  I stick by my original mild comment that I thought the Jacko's comment was witty/funny.  I studied cancer by watching both my parents die of it but I can still appreciated wit about the topic.