On 1/13/2024 at 7:53 AM, sirineou said:

Why did Saddam had to go? Sure he was a bad actor but the world was and is full of bad actors and we don't take them out, Why Saddam? 

  If you were to pull Saddam's pants down on his ass there was a USDA stamp and a made in the US stamp. We didn't seem to mind when he was gassing the Kurds  with gas we had given him, We in fact run interference for him when the deed was reported in the world news.

  What was he doing now that he was not doing then?  The truth of the meter is that the US needed a fall guy and Saddam was a convenient soft target.

The US only invades soft targets.  

With the additional benefit of many in the US getting very wealthy. What do you think happen to all those billions that were unaccounted for? 

  On the subject of Ukraine before the war Ukraine was considered to be one of the most corrupt countries, then we are to believe that after the invasion they became angels at the beginning of the war? 

I wonder how many in Ukraine have become fantastically rich from the US? How many more millions Zelenski has in his secret offshore accounts? 

 

Totally agree. All this lies about WMDs sent by the Pentagon to build support for a totally illegal war. You cannot legally invade a nation because the leaders are anti-US. If you allow this line of reasoning, why is it wrong for Russia to invade Ukraine that has anti-Russian leaders?

On 1/13/2024 at 9:58 AM, Morch said:

 

@sirineou

 

 

What 'secret offshore accounts'?

The Panama Papers itemised Zelensky's ac counts and those held by close relatives. The political will was obviously not there to hold Mr Z to account.

7 minutes ago, retarius said:

Totally agree. All this lies about WMDs sent by the Pentagon to build support for a totally illegal war. You cannot legally invade a nation because the leaders are anti-US. If you allow this line of reasoning, why is it wrong for Russia to invade Ukraine that has anti-Russian leaders?

Because of American exceptionalism. 

We think that the axiom of "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" does not apply to the US. 

 

2 hours ago, retarius said:

Totally agree. All this lies about WMDs sent by the Pentagon to build support for a totally illegal war. You cannot legally invade a nation because the leaders are anti-US. If you allow this line of reasoning, why is it wrong for Russia to invade Ukraine that has anti-Russian leaders?

 

You've answered your own question by inferring that this line of reasoning is irrational. 

 

Ukraine is not Iraq and Zelensky is not Saddam. It's as simple as that.

3 hours ago, retarius said:

I think it is a sight more than $1 billion and I am sick, as a taxpayer, of having to fund this finical disaster in Ukraine. Cut all aid now. 

Slava Russia. 

Vote for Trump or DeSantis. 

1 minute ago, morrobay said:

Vote for Trump or DeSantis. 

I will be voting for anyone except a Democrat.

3 hours ago, retarius said:

Totally agree. All this lies about WMDs sent by the Pentagon to build support for a totally illegal war. You cannot legally invade a nation because the leaders are anti-US. If you allow this line of reasoning, why is it wrong for Russia to invade Ukraine that has anti-Russian leaders?

Bush, Cheney and the rest of that conspiracy should tried in some court for that. But knocking off a war criminal is always ok. And don't have to invade a country for that task.

On 1/13/2024 at 9:14 AM, Skipalongcassidy said:

Joe knows...

More idle speculation.

On 1/11/2024 at 10:28 PM, morrobay said:

So  $ billions of weapons getting lost, some no doubt ending up with terrorists. "So what" The Southern border invasion in the US costing billions. "So what" Anarchy/mass looting in the liberal saps run cities."So what"

Both of which could be prevented with an Army Corps of Engineers WALL from the Pacific to the Gulf. And sending the military into cities to restore order. Providing the US gets the president it needs: RFK jr. DeSantis, or Trump. Preferred DeSantis. That's what. 

Nothing in your link indicates that weapons were diverted or lost.

21 hours ago, morrobay said:

It is very much more complicated/many layers than that ^ See The Tora Bora Report on pdf . Osama bin laden could have should have been eliminated.https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CPRT-111SPRT53709/html/CPRT-111SPRT53709.htm

Everything is so much easier in hindsight.

19 hours ago, retarius said:

I think it is a sight more than $1 billion and I am sick, as a taxpayer, of having to fund this finical disaster in Ukraine. Cut all aid now. 

Slava Russia. 

Yes indeed you are a sick person imo ,you and a few more on here.

Seems a lot of the cult members are pretty well brainwashed by the Orange stinky guy.

For you and the Beach guy on here,do yourself a favor and check out how many billions of dollars are

lost or unaccounted for in the US military .

The money send to the
Ukraine is only a fraction of that.

Kick out Mike Johnson and get back to work,this guy is blocking everything in order to try and make Joe Biden look bad.

 

 

On 1/12/2024 at 8:28 AM, morrobay said:

So  $ billions of weapons getting lost, some no doubt ending up with terrorists. "So what" The Southern border invasion in the US costing billions. "So what" Anarchy/mass looting in the liberal saps run cities."So what"

Both of which could be prevented with an Army Corps of Engineers WALL from the Pacific to the Gulf. And sending the military into cities to restore order. Providing the US gets the president it needs: RFK jr. DeSantis, or Trump. Preferred DeSantis. That's what. 

How high should the wall be?

High enough so airplanes can not fly over it?

Oh Wait,they can also get around it.

Did the Mexicans send any money to pay for the wall yet?

I just can't believe the mindset of Republicans.

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Everything is so much easier in hindsight.

Hindsight? Speak for yourself regarding Billions and 20 years trying to reform a 12th century country. Where just built schools are promptly blown up by the Taliban.

1 hour ago, jvs said:

How high should the wall be?

High enough so airplanes can not fly over it?

Oh Wait,they can also get around it.

Did the Mexicans send any money to pay for the wall yet?

I just can't believe the mindset of Republicans.

A Wall built by the Army Corps of Engineers from the Pacific to the Gulf high enough to stop the caravans. That would also be patrolled by the Coast Guard at both ends.Plenty of money to pay for it by discontinuing this cash outflow to Ukraine. Every liberal always has all these "reasons" why the WALL won't work. Brainwashed, speak for yourself. I don't need Trump or any one else to see this Southern border invasion/disaster. The anarchy,mass looting in the cities permitted by these liberal Saps in local governments. ( That requires the military to take charge) The utter  waste of money on this lost Ukraine cause. And I'm getting weary here of repeating facts. So if ya all excuse me I'm going over to  X where the  correct Right/Far Right thinking prevails. 

On 1/12/2024 at 7:06 AM, morrobay said:

High time to stop sending Billions down this rat hole. Putin is going to end up with about half of Ukraine anyway, should have let him have it a long time ago. And spare the "domino effect" here. Russia is not going to invade Europe. Seems all that institutional bribing, I mean campaign contributions from the military industrial complex to the policy makers has paid 📴 on that not such a winding road from Afghanistan and Iraq to Ukraine.  Hopefully a Trump president would get out of that lost cause. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/01/11/us-failed-track-more-1-billion-military-gear-given-ukraine-pentagon-watchdog-says.html

Hey, chicken little... Go back and check how well US supplied equipment has been tracked in previous conflicts. You might find out you are dealing with an institutional problem rather that a current news event. The return of 45 would make zero difference. 

2 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Hey, chicken little... Go back and check how well US supplied equipment has been tracked in previous conflicts. You might find out you are dealing with an institutional problem rather that a current news event. The return of 45 would make zero difference. 

Agree but it remains to be seen if Trump or DeSantis can correct this institutional mess

2 hours ago, morrobay said:

A Wall built by the Army Corps of Engineers from the Pacific to the Gulf high enough to stop the caravans. That would also be patrolled by the Coast Guard at both ends.Plenty of money to pay for it by discontinuing this cash outflow to Ukraine. Every liberal always has all these "reasons" why the WALL won't work. Brainwashed, speak for yourself. I don't need Trump or any one else to see this Southern border invasion/disaster. The anarchy,mass looting in the cities permitted by these liberal Saps in local governments. ( That requires the military to take charge) The utter  waste of money on this lost Ukraine cause. And I'm getting weary here of repeating facts. So if ya all excuse me I'm going over to  X where the  correct Right/Far Right thinking prevails. 

Yes ok keep sticking your head in the sand,typical i would say.

 

10 hours ago, morrobay said:

Hindsight? Speak for yourself regarding Billions and 20 years trying to reform a 12th century country. Where just built schools are promptly blown up by the Taliban.

Ah, that could have been spoken by a true blue, "we know what is best for other people imperialist". No foreign power has ever succeed in that country, and the west were stupid for thinking they could. They should have gone in and destroyed the taliban, then got out of it. More fools us for going along with it.

Seems some never learn from history. Twenty years, many lives and billions of $ wasted for nothing.

 

On 1/15/2024 at 9:46 AM, retarius said:

The Panama Papers itemised Zelensky's ac counts and those held by close relatives. The political will was obviously not there to hold Mr Z to account.

False

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

False

Your evidence it is false? I referenced the Panama Papers, read them. 

2 hours ago, retarius said:

Your evidence it is false? I referenced the Panama Papers, read them. 

No mention of Zelinsky in the PANAMA papers. FACT.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No mention of Zelinsky in the PANAMA papers. FACT.

 

It's in the Pandora Papers, a similar batch of info.

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

It's in the Pandora Papers, a similar batch of info.

Correct.

On 1/15/2024 at 7:15 AM, retarius said:

I will be voting for anyone except a Democrat.

I won't be voting for any of those phonies.

I can't, but if I could, I would go with the largest group in the US electorate and sayi.... Thanks but No Thanks. To all of them.

 

Taylor Swift would have to dress up in something very comfortably, to sway me.

On 1/15/2024 at 3:43 AM, retarius said:

Totally agree. All this lies about WMDs sent by the Pentagon to build support for a totally illegal war.

Worst part is that you are supposed to believe them next time/lie around

 

And sadly many do

 

Simpler life, innit ?

Funny how these American most ly neocons never have a bad war whilst prosecuting hugely expensive and ultimately fruitless wars in foreign lands always combined with resource greed and then have the gall to criticise the same behaviour from others. Plus they never learn that some peasant in funny clothes with thrift shop weapons can embarrass and frustrate them on that quest. But not really funny but bloody tragic.

10 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Funny how these American most ly neocons never have a bad war whilst prosecuting hugely expensive and ultimately fruitless wars in foreign lands always combined with resource greed and then have the gall to criticise the same behaviour from others. Plus they never learn that some peasant in funny clothes with thrift shop weapons can embarrass and frustrate them on that quest. But not really funny but bloody tragic.

As long as it's not them or theirs dying, and they make loadsacash why would they care?

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As long as it's not them or theirs dying, and they make loadsacash why would they care?

And not being held accountable. Like the Bush , Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz conspiracy invasion of Iraq. Added by that discraced general.  Search for Cheney's Halliburton contracts in Iraq war.

https://www.icij.org/investigations/windfalls-war/halliburton-contracts-balloon/

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As long as it's not them or theirs dying, and they make loadsacash why would they care?

They are evil -  more finessed and coiffed and elegant with their Harvard MBA's than the say the thug Putin but evil nevertheless. Only psycophathic sociopaths get to the very top in a hyper power - and they achieve that by deluding and scaring the great masses with their lies and deceptions..