Controversy erupts as Thai doctors clash over mRNA vaccine effect

[dinsdale]

41 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

 

So they are embalming "living people"? You are so entertaining...

What are you on about. Clots found in dead people and clots found in the living. Obviously the clots found in patients are not found by embalmers. Not sure if your trying to be funny or just obtuse. Try reading/watching/researching.

[dinsdale]

17 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Campbell is a nurse not a medical Dr, his opinion is no better than anyone else's

One does not need to be a medical doctor to be a doctor. He has a PhD in nursing so he has a doctorate and as such is entitled to use Dr. before his name. A PhD and 40yrs (I think) experience makes him a highly and well educated source hence his opinions as you call them are very educated opinions unlike some others on this forum.

[proton]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

One does not need to be a medical doctor to be a doctor. He has a PhD in nursing so he has a doctorate and as such is entitled to use Dr. before his name. A PhD and 40yrs (I think) experience makes him a highly and well educated source hence his opinions as you call them are very educated opinions unlike some others on this forum.

 

His Phd is in nursing, not a medical science, knows so much he changed his mind after looking at you tube conspiracy films! He does have a lot of gullible fans who have made him a fortune though

[Bday Prang]

37 minutes ago, Emdog said:

But there are mountains of evidence that death rate from covid was far lower among populations that got a good vaccine compared to those who skipped

well the UK had plenty of vaccines, even invented one of their own ( which has now been withdrawn)  230,000 deaths allegedly.  in a country of 70 million isn't my idea of a roaring success. in fact beaten into 6th place by  Usa , russia india brazil and mexico  all of which have huge populations

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/

[NoDisplayName]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

One does not need to be a medical doctor to be a doctor. He has a PhD in nursing so he has a doctorate and as such is entitled to use Dr. before his name. A PhD and 40yrs (I think) experience makes him an educated source hence his opinions as you call them are educated opinions unlike some others on this forum.

 

I did my research!  He's a 'doctor' much like Kent Hovind qualified to call himself Dr. Dino.

 

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He received the Ph.D. for his work on developing methods of teaching via digital media such as online videos. (wiki)

 

From what I found on the intertubes, he had a moderately unsuccessful YouTube channel before the covids, who then found pandering to tinfoil nutjob conspiracy theorists by quote-mining and mischaracterizing studies got more clicks.

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, proton said:

 

His Phd is in nursing, not a medical science, knows so much he changed his mind after looking at you tube conspiracy films! He does have a lot of gullible fans who have made him a fortune though

MSc in health. The Sc in MSc stands for SCIENCE.

[jaywalker2]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

excess deaths still need an explanation which has not been forthcoming 

Then you haven't been paying attention

[riclag]

Too late my wife confronted me about

it last night!

It scared the bbuda out of her!

 

 

[Bday Prang]

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

One does not need to be a medical doctor to be a doctor. He has a PhD in nursing so he has a doctorate and as such is entitled to use Dr. before his name. A PhD and 40yrs (I think) experience makes him a highly and well educated source hence his opinions as you call them are very educated opinions unlike some others on this forum.

I would say he is also much more likely to question the narrative and refused to be silenced than the majority of Quacks

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

I did my research!  He's a 'doctor' much like Kent Hovind qualified to call himself Dr. Dino.

 

 

From what I found on the intertubes, he had a moderately unsuccessful YouTube channel before the covids, who then found pandering to tinfoil nutjob conspiracy theorists by quote-mining and mischaracterizing studies got more clicks.

Do you mean "tinfoil nutjob conspiracy theorists" that said the vaccines won't stop transmission. Do the vaccines stop transmission?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Do you mean "tinfoil nutjob conspiracy theorists" that said the vaccines won't stop transmission. Do the vaccines stop transmission?

 

Absolutely yes, in the same way that brakes stop cars.

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

When people were saying that vaccines won't spread the virus when the narrative was it will stop the spread of the virus the former were called conspiracy theorists. It didn't take much time to turn that conspiracy into fact.

I need to re-post this. I didn't notice the glaring typo.

*vaccines will not stop the spread

[Bday Prang]

10 minutes ago, proton said:

 

His Phd is in nursing, not a medical science, knows so much he changed his mind after looking at you tube conspiracy films! He does have a lot of gullible fans who have made him a fortune though

So you are worried and that's perfectly understandable,  but there is no point , and  there is nothing to be gained by attempting to discredit the man or his assertions,  best just to wait and see, if he is wrong then happy days and you can relax, however if he is right there may be cause for concern, for those of us who have been vaccinated.

 L can accept that 

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I need to re-post this. I didn't notice the glaring typo.

*vaccines will not stop the spread

 

The narrative was NEVER that it will stop the virus from spreading. The narrative was that it would reduce transmission, deaths and long covid. That it does.

[Bday Prang]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Absolutely yes, in the same way that brakes stop cars.

particularly in Thailand eh?

[NoDisplayName]

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Do you mean "tinfoil nutjob conspiracy theorists" that said the vaccines won't stop transmission. Do the vaccines stop transmission?

 

Vaccines don't stop transmission completely, but they help prevent the spread and reduce the infection rate and lessen the effects on those infected.

 

The "it don't stop transmission" claim is a strawman that the conspiracy theorizers can knock down without getting their tinfoil in a wad.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

As I mentioned above covid deaths only account for some of the excess deaths not all.

 

What accounts for the rest?

[Bday Prang]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

The narrative was NEVER that it will stop the virus from spreading. The narrative was that it would reduce transmission, deaths and long covid. That it does.

says somebody even less qualified, but that's irrelevant when saying things that people find "comforting" 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Bday Prang said:

says somebody even less qualified, but that's irrelevant when saying things that people find "comforting" 

 

Everything I said has been proven over and over again.

[Bday Prang]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Everything I said has been proven over and over again.

So are you  considering having more vaccinations, ?

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

What accounts for the rest?

This is exactly the the point. Cardiovascular is one of the reasons. If you want to find out I suggest researching. Why is the big question and it's a question not even being discussed by governments. One could even start thinking that the conspiracy isn't on the side of the so called nutters but from those who are running the show.

[Bday Prang]

16 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Vaccines don't stop transmission completely, but they help prevent the spread and reduce the infection rate and lessen the effects on those infected.

 

The "it don't stop transmission" claim is a strawman that the conspiracy theorizers can knock down without getting their tinfoil in a wad.

That may or may not be true,     why do you feel the need to insult those who choose to  disagree and refuse to accept  what "the authorities" have told you.   

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, smedly said:

excess deaths still need an explanation which has not been forthcoming 

What excess deaths?

 

Remember, in this forum, you need to back up your assertions.

[ChrisParis75]

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

you mean the maga morons who drank bleach and stuck a light up their butts or the excess deaths caused by people refusing the vaccines?

 

What's the purpose of your insults ? To hide your fear ?

 

Let's forget about thoses "white clots".

 

Are you aware that the LARGEST VACCINE EFFECTS STUDY has just been published ?

 

99 millions of vaccinated individuals.

 

Findings ?

 

Risks for myocarditis, Moderna 2nd dose : 6.1 times higher

Risks for myocarditis, Pfizer 1 dose : 2.78 times higher

Risks for myocarditis, Pfizer 2nd dose : 2.86 times higher

Risk for pericarditis, Astra Zeneca, 3rd dose : 6.91 times higher

Risk for Swelling of brain, and spinal cord, Moderna, 1st dose : 3.78 times higher

Risk for blood clots, Astrazeneca : 3.23 times higher

 

etc.

 

Enjoy your products "safe and effective".

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13100755/Largest-Covid-vaccine-study-finds-shots-linked-small-increased-risk-neurological-blood-heart-disorders-extremely-rare.html

 

So now you might be able to understand that yes... with such higher risks... vaccinated people were wounded and some of them even died, inevitably.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

This is exactly the the point. Cardiovascular is one of the reasons. If you want to find out I suggest researching. 

 

Did something change in 2020 to cause more covid unrelated cardiac arrests or strokes? 

 

Consider providing evidence for your antivax BS

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

So are you  considering having more vaccinations, ?

 

If doctors recommend them, sure.

[Danderman123]

Just now, ChrisParis75 said:

 

What's the purpose of your insults ? To hide your fear ?

 

Let's forget about thoses "white clots".

 

Are you aware that the LARGEST VACCINE EFFECTS STUDY has just been published ?

 

99 millions of vaccinated individuals.

 

Findings ?

 

Risks for myocarditis, Moderna 2nd dose : 6.1 times higher

Risks for myocarditis, Pfizer 1 dose : 2.78 times higher

Risks for myocarditis, Pfizer 2nd dose : 2.86 times higher

Risk for pericarditis, Astra Zeneca, 3rd dose : 6.91 times higher

Risk for Swelling of brain, and spinal cord, Moderna, 1st dose : 3.78 times higher

Risk for blood clots, Astrazeneca : 3.23 times higher

 

etc.

 

Enjoy your products "safe and effective".

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13100755/Largest-Covid-vaccine-study-finds-shots-linked-small-increased-risk-neurological-blood-heart-disorders-extremely-rare.html

 

So now you might be able to understand that yes... with such higher risks... vaccinated people were wounded and some of them even died, inevitably.

from your link:

 

"Still, the team says the absolute risk of developing any one of the condition remains small. For instance, 13 billion doses of vaccines have been administered and there have only been 2,000 cases of all conditions."

 

This may be less than for unvaccinated people.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

As I mentioned above covid deaths only account for some of the excess deaths not all.

You have a link for that assertion?

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

You have a link for that assertion?

You are joking? Google excess deaths. Go look at our world in data or worldometer. Think for yourself. Investigate. Research.

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

from your link:

 

"Still, the team says the absolute risk of developing any one of the condition remains small. For instance, 13 billion doses of vaccines have been administered and there have only been 2,000 cases of all conditions."

 

This may be less than for unvaccinated people.

How many injuries or deaths were not investigated I wonder. How many were put down to natural causes? These are valid questions.