43 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Agree it’s getting off topic from the thread title.  Make sure you go back early in the thread and remind your fellow comrades to stop using insurrection when describing Trump.

Meanwhile, where’s WALKER?

 

Perhaps writing all the hate speech made him tired and he had to go for a long lie down.

5 minutes ago, johng said:

I would call it a mostly peaceful protest  up until the police opened fire with tear-gas  on a section of the crowd   whilst another section of the crowd where ushered in and escorted around the Capitol building by police.

Can we talk about the pipe bombs and Rey Epps yet ?

In your alternate universe only. That's not what evidence presented in court is showing.

Edited March 6, 20242 yr by candide

16 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

None of your softly, softly 'well there's no smoke without fire' clumsy innuendo masks the FACT that Biden has been exonerated by the GOP for NOT 'using the position for financial gain from other countries' 

 

16 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

 

You've got to be some Russian bot or maybe a nephew of Trump.

 

None of your softly, softly 'well there's no smoke without fire' clumsy innuendo masks the FACT that Biden has been exonerated by the GOP for NOT 'using the position for financial gain from other countries' 

 

'After months of investigation and many public accusations of corruption against Mr. Biden and his family, the first report of the premier House G.O.P. inquiry showed no proof of such misconduct'. 

 

 House Republican Report Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by President Biden - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

https://archive.is/4RQtP

 

Fox had jumped all over this previously with their 'super reliable' FBI informant nonsense until they couldn't rant any longer after the GOP themselves said it was a complete load of bull$hit.

 

And don't try and paint Trump out as some sort of free speech hero. The job comes with responsibilities and one of them is knowing when to keep your big mouth shut. Something Mr. Foot in Your Moth has a bigly problem with.

 

NB:- 'He had some really good ideas to make the US better for Americans' - ok. Name 10 - alright too hard, l'll settle for 5.  

 

 

i never said Biden gained financially.. i said his family used his position as President and he was sitting right there in their meetings with other countries with them knowing he was there in the meeting. This was a stated fact given by the son in a court of law a week or 2 ago. That is using your power and position as the POTUS to get favor or gain. No matter how you want to twist it. I do not hate Trump or Biden. But apparently you do as shown in your comments. Perhaps you can name 5 things Biden actually did that was good for the country? 

3 minutes ago, thesetat said:

 

i never said Biden gained financially.. i said his family used his position as President and he was sitting right there in their meetings with other countries with them knowing he was there in the meeting. This was a stated fact given by the son in a court of law a week or 2 ago. That is using your power and position as the POTUS to get favor or gain. No matter how you want to twist it. I do not hate Trump or Biden. But apparently you do as shown in your comments. Perhaps you can name 5 things Biden actually did that was good for the country? 

No. The stated fact is that he popped in during 5/10 mn to say hello.

31 minutes ago, candide said:

No. The stated fact is that he popped in during 5/10 mn to say hello.

Hehe... you a minimizing the impact of it. blinded by your Biden love I guess

16 hours ago, G_Money said:

Thank you for the clarification of the “attack”.  Not an insurrection.

 

 I was almost “attacked” by Soi dogs once.

 

Citizens are “attacked “ every day in America by thugs.  Some thugs are USC’s and some are illegal aliens.

 

Some of these “attacks “ range from being pushed in front of a subway train, being mugged, beaten or murdered for being Asian, car jacked, vehicles being broken into, domestic violence, drug dealing gone bad to name a few.  

January 6th was not an insurrection.  It was a disturbance, protest and at times violent, even riot.  But no insurrection!
 

It was conducted by a bunch of idiots  

 

Trump, the sitting President at the time of the alleged insurrection did not plan and execute the disturbance.  He encouraged and told them to stop and go home peacefully.  Plenty of footage of him saying this.  You and most here have heard or watched the footage, most likely.

 

Whether you or the rest want to admit seeing the footage is up to you.  Your denial is no excuse for me to post the link, stats or proof.  1 minute of google search and you got it

 

Fox News did not support the disturbance and vast majority of conservatives did not support it either, myself included.

 

January 6th was one day 

 

The mostly peaceful summer of love several years ago by comparison was much closer to an insurrection than the 6th but also was not an insurrection.

 

Encourage and supported by Maxine Waters, Pelosi, AOC and her worthless squad to name a few.

 

Footages available even though you have seen it, most likely.

 

Mayem, Anarchy, looting, murder, burning that made the 6th look tame.

 

Apart from the very obvious false equivalence I will give this a bash.

 

The BLM protests where not part of the Democratic party. They did not start from Biden, Waters, Pelosi or AOC gathering a load of black people together to protest police brutality after the death of George Floyd whereas Trump gathered his mob together specifically to protest the 'stolen' election. The vast majority of the BLM protest was indeed peaceful but at times it was hijacked by violent thugs who were more interested in looting than protesting. These actions were immediately condemned by Biden even saying the day after looting in Portland “The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable. As a country we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight.” It took Trump 2 days and a great deal of pressure from his advisors, his family and the GOP to reluctantly hold a press conference and distancing himself with the '“Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem”. This is also when he conceded the election. However, no one of course believed Trump and (surprise, surprise), several months later in May he reposted on his Truth Social platform the slogan: “Free all J-6 political prisoners” after a few months earlier he told a rightwing website that “we’ll be looking very, very seriously at full pardons”. 

 

If you cannot see the difference between the two then there really is no help for you.  

On 3/5/2024 at 4:54 AM, Social Media said:

However, the Supreme Court asserted that the power to disqualify candidates from federal offices, including the presidency, lies solely with Congress,

Unless the opposition has a majority in both the House and the Senate can anyone ever see that happening? I think they just gave the green light to whoever is president and has control of at least one side of congress. 

1 hour ago, thesetat said:

 

i never said Biden gained financially.. i said his family used his position as President and he was sitting right there in their meetings with other countries with them knowing he was there in the meeting. This was a stated fact given by the son in a court of law a week or 2 ago. That is using your power and position as the POTUS to get favor or gain. No matter how you want to twist it. I do not hate Trump or Biden. But apparently you do as shown in your comments. Perhaps you can name 5 things Biden actually did that was good for the country? 

For some reason your original post has been removed (mmmm I wonder why) but, you most certainly did insinuate the Biden himself had financially gained when you said 'using the position for financial gain from other countries' . If you are now saying that doesn't mean that Biden himself benefited financially from dealings his son was involved in then may I suggest you change the phrasing of you posts.

 

Also, he was never 'sitting right there in their meetings with other countries with them knowing he was there in the meeting'. As was firmly established by the GOP investigation into Biden, his son certainly made known who his dad was (but then again he wouldn't be the only POTUS family leveraging their fathers position now would he) but in sworn testimony by Devon Archer, 49, a former business partner of Hunter said, all the conversations were by phone and 'it was all casual conversation, niceties, the weather, what’s going on. There wasn’t a single conversation about any of the business dealings that Hunter had.” This was verified by REPUBLICAN Dan Goldman after the inquest. 

 

And finally 5 things Biden has achieved include The American Rescue Plan Act after the devastation that Trump left with Covid, Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (which America now having record low unemployment), a stock market that is hitting even greater heights, the lowest inflation of all the G7 countries and taking on Big Pharma to reduce drug prices for millions. And if that's not enough, here's some more   https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046

Edited March 6, 20242 yr by johnnybangkok

32 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Apart from the very obvious false equivalence I will give this a bash.

 

The BLM protests where not part of the Democratic party. They did not start from Biden, Waters, Pelosi or AOC gathering a load of black people together to protest police brutality after the death of George Floyd whereas Trump gathered his mob together specifically to protest the 'stolen' election. The vast majority of the BLM protest was indeed peaceful but at times it was hijacked by violent thugs who were more interested in looting than protesting. These actions were immediately condemned by Biden even saying the day after looting in Portland “The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable. As a country we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight.” It took Trump 2 days and a great deal of pressure from his advisors, his family and the GOP to reluctantly hold a press conference and distancing himself with the '“Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem”. This is also when he conceded the election. However, no one of course believed Trump and (surprise, surprise), several months later in May he reposted on his Truth Social platform the slogan: “Free all J-6 political prisoners” after a few months earlier he told a rightwing website that “we’ll be looking very, very seriously at full pardons”. 

 

If you cannot see the difference between the two then there really is no help for you.  

You have posted your opinion and I disagree.  The “mostly peaceful “ summer of love were not Trump supporters and encouraged by Maxine and the other lunatics.

 

Now you bring the Patron Saint of Fentanyl, Floyd into the already hijacked thread.  And yes,  I’m guilty of this too.

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

You have posted your opinion and I disagree.  The “mostly peaceful “ summer of love were not Trump supporters and encouraged by Maxine and the other lunatics.

 

Now you bring the Patron Saint of Fentanyl, Floyd into the already hijacked thread.  And yes,  I’m guilty of this too.

Probably your most civil response to date. Well done. You see you can have a lively debate without resorting to insults and name calling. Long may it last.

 

 

sorry, i forgot what this thread was about..was it unanimous 9-0 or 0-9??

52 minutes ago, thesetat said:

Hehe... you a minimizing the impact of it. blinded by your Biden love I guess

That's in the testimony you mentioned.

2 hours ago, johng said:

not much but someone brought up Jan 6th saying it was a violent insurection  and someone else says the "summer of love" was worse for death and destruction  but one event is portrayed as

"the end of democracy" and the other as "mostly peaceful"

One took place in the US Capitol with the intent of preventing the legal certification of the election results and the rest did not.

1 hour ago, candide said:

No. The stated fact is that he popped in during 5/10 mn to say hello.

oh, just a hello...nothing to do with hello, i'm JB, you know who i am, now make the deals!!..remember how you all ranted about trumps call to zalensky.

 

On 3/5/2024 at 4:54 AM, Social Media said:

Supreme Court asserted that the power to disqualify candidates from federal offices, including the presidency, lies solely with Congress,

So the maga republicans in the senate will stop  an insurrectionist trump from running again. 

 

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Apart from the very obvious false equivalence I will give this a bash.

 

The BLM protests where not part of the Democratic party. They did not start from Biden, Waters, Pelosi or AOC gathering a load of black people together to protest police brutality after the death of George Floyd whereas Trump gathered his mob together specifically to protest the 'stolen' election. The vast majority of the BLM protest was indeed peaceful but at times it was hijacked by violent thugs who were more interested in looting than protesting. These actions were immediately condemned by Biden even saying the day after looting in Portland “The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable. As a country we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight.” It took Trump 2 days and a great deal of pressure from his advisors, his family and the GOP to reluctantly hold a press conference and distancing himself with the '“Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem”. This is also when he conceded the election. However, no one of course believed Trump and (surprise, surprise), several months later in May he reposted on his Truth Social platform the slogan: “Free all J-6 political prisoners” after a few months earlier he told a rightwing website that “we’ll be looking very, very seriously at full pardons”. 

 

If you cannot see the difference between the two then there really is no help for you.  

 

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Apart from the very obvious false equivalence I will give this a bash.

 

The BLM protests where not part of the Democratic party. They did not start from Biden, Waters, Pelosi or AOC gathering a load of black people together to protest police brutality after the death of George Floyd whereas Trump gathered his mob together specifically to protest the 'stolen' election. The vast majority of the BLM protest was indeed peaceful but at times it was hijacked by violent thugs who were more interested in looting than protesting. These actions were immediately condemned by Biden even saying the day after looting in Portland “The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable. As a country we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight.” It took Trump 2 days and a great deal of pressure from his advisors, his family and the GOP to reluctantly hold a press conference and distancing himself with the '“Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem”. This is also when he conceded the election. However, no one of course believed Trump and (surprise, surprise), several months later in May he reposted on his Truth Social platform the slogan: “Free all J-6 political prisoners” after a few months earlier he told a rightwing website that “we’ll be looking very, very seriously at full pardons”. 

 

If you cannot see the difference between the two then there really is no help for you.  

i dont believe j6 cost 2bm in damages, unlike the 'mostly peaceful' blm riots.  of which Kamala and lots of hollywood celebs joined in sending dontations and bailing out so called 'peaceful protesters'

43 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

For some reason your original post has been removed (mmmm I wonder why) but, you most certainly did insinuate the Biden himself had financially gained when you said 'using the position for financial gain from other countries' . If you are now saying that doesn't mean that Biden himself benefited financially from dealings his son was involved in then may I suggest you change the phrasing of you posts.

 

Also, he was never 'sitting right there in their meetings with other countries with them knowing he was there in the meeting'. As was firmly established by the GOP investigation into Biden, his son certainly made known who his dad was (but then again he wouldn't be the only POTUS family leveraging their fathers position now would he) but in sworn testimony by Devon Archer, 49, a former business partner of Hunter said, all the conversations were by phone and 'it was all casual conversation, niceties, the weather, what’s going on. There wasn’t a single conversation about any of the business dealings that Hunter had.” This was verified by REPUBLICAN Dan Goldman after the inquest. 

 

And finally 5 things Biden has achieved include The American Rescue Plan Act after the devastation that Trump left with Covid, Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (which America now having record low unemployment), a stock market that is hitting even greater heights, the lowest inflation of all the G7 countries and taking on Big Pharma to reduce drug prices for millions. And if that's not enough, here's some more   https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046

you mean the same employment level that was where Trump had it pre covid.... and then had to shut the economy... 

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11 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

oh, just a hello...nothing to do with hello, i'm JB, you know who i am, now make the deals!!..remember how you all ranted about trumps call to zalensky.

 

B.S.! All witnesses (you know, in front of the GOP Committee) have stated under oath that Joe was not involved in Hunter's business and that business subjects have not been discussed with Joe during these dinner!

 

As to your lame false equivalence, Trump's Phone call wascrecordedvand there was no doubt about its content. 😀

5 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

you mean the same employment level that was where Trump had it pre covid.... and then had to shut the economy... 

 

Tagging in Frank.

 

They seem to forget rehiring of people due to layoffs from Covid doesn’t count towards new hiring,

 

Tagging out.

3 hours ago, candide said:

 That's not what evidence presented in court is showing.

Which court was investigating "Jan 6"? 

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Probably your most civil response to date. Well done. You see you can have a lively debate without resorting to insults and name calling. Long may it last.

 

 

We can leave insults and name calling to Trump, can't we?

 

I wouldn't call it a debate when one side is posting deflections and gaslighting, while the other is posting facts and data.

4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Which court was investigating "Jan 6"? 

You know, the one in which rioters have been convicted. 

 

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Apart from the very obvious false equivalence I will give this a bash.

 

The BLM protests where not part of the Democratic party. They did not start from Biden, Waters, Pelosi or AOC gathering a load of black people together to protest police brutality after the death of George Floyd whereas Trump gathered his mob together specifically to protest the 'stolen' election. The vast majority of the BLM protest was indeed peaceful but at times it was hijacked by violent thugs who were more interested in looting than protesting. These actions were immediately condemned by Biden even saying the day after looting in Portland “The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable. As a country we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight.” It took Trump 2 days and a great deal of pressure from his advisors, his family and the GOP to reluctantly hold a press conference and distancing himself with the '“Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem”. This is also when he conceded the election. However, no one of course believed Trump and (surprise, surprise), several months later in May he reposted on his Truth Social platform the slogan: “Free all J-6 political prisoners” after a few months earlier he told a rightwing website that “we’ll be looking very, very seriously at full pardons”. 

 

If you cannot see the difference between the two then there really is no help for you.  

But this poster stated there are no facts, only opinions! 😀

53 minutes ago, candide said:

B.S.! All witnesses (you know, in front of the GOP Committee) have stated under oath that Joe was not involved in Hunter's business and that business subjects have not been discussed with Joe during these dinner!

 

As to your lame false equivalence, Trump's Phone call wascrecordedvand there was no doubt about its content. 😀

so witnesses don't lie then, not ever, no matter how high the stakes??, would you be so adamant if it were Don jr, Eric, jared & El' trumpo called... i doubt it very much!!
do you not think the fact he was in the room.. (all be it via phone), meant something.... or he just called to say hi,
so, interrupt an important business meeting... yeah, ok...personally i always take calls from my dad when in the middle of a deal!!!

mind you, ol' sniffy probably wouldn't have remembered the deal was on with his dementia, he already denied even talking to his some about business...

'As to your lame false equivalence, Trump's Phone call wascrecordedvand there was no doubt about its content'

Well...clearly not as the impeachment was a fail wasn't it, did you read the transript? was that another 'gotcha fail' 

 

26 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

We can leave insults and name calling to Trump, can't we?

 

I wouldn't call it a debate when one side is posting deflections and gaslighting, while the other is posting facts and data.

 people here have claimed Trump was an insurrectionist...but he has not been charged has he..so, not thats not a fact is it..your 

opinion is not fact!

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

 

Tagging in Frank.

 

They seem to forget rehiring of people due to layoffs from Covid doesn’t count towards new hiring,

 

Tagging out.

also people having to take on 2 or 3 jobs to cover record inflation and rising living costs!

On 3/5/2024 at 12:53 PM, illisdean said:

LOL...what happened to Colorado legal process at SCOTUS yesterday to remove Trump from the ballot. 

 

The Democrat lawfare operatives’ seething anger at the 9-0 decision is truly comical. They are really angry at the 3 lib judges for refusing to debase themselves. Because these operatives’ legal arguments were so bad. Like true sociopaths, they have little ability to introspect and now these Colorado legal imbeciles look like the imbeciles they are. 

I believe if you check you will see that 4 of the 6 participants that brought the suit originally and had trump barred from the ballot were republicans and not democrats. 

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

 

i dont believe j6 cost 2bm in damages, unlike the 'mostly peaceful' blm riots.  of which Kamala and lots of hollywood celebs joined in sending dontations and bailing out so called 'peaceful protesters'

It was an attack on the US Capitol while Congress was in session attempting to certify the Presidential election results!

 

An attack Trump watched for three hours before making a feeble attempt to reign it in!

 

You can bury your head in the sand as deep as you like, but responsible patriotic voters won't ignore it.

 

BTW:  The fact that the Trump defenders have no better response than "BLM! BLM! BLM!" shows how little you have and how desperate you are to divert attention from what happened.

Edited March 6, 20242 yr by heybruce

55 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

 people here have claimed Trump was an insurrectionist...but he has not been charged has he..so, not thats not a fact is it..your 

opinion is not fact!

Trump has been charged with attempting to overturn the 2020 election, and block the transfer of power.

 

If that is not insurrection, what is?

 

Insurrection:

 

: the act or an instance of revolting especially violently against civil or political authority or against an established government. also : the crime of inciting or engaging in such revolt. whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States…

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-indicted-jan-6-investigation-special-counsel-debb59bb7a4d9f93f7e2dace01feccdc