11 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I agree, as long as those who surrender are tried and sentenced in a court of law and not summarily executed by Israel with no trial.

If that is ever a possibility, yes.

That is not for me to agree to, mainly because I will always disagree that the conduct of Israel for years has never helped the situation. You know full well I am biting my tongue on the reasons why Hamas did what they did on 7/10, I agree it is difficult for you to accept that this all started without any provocation from Israel.

I agree they are holding hostages, including innocent civilians. As far as being rewarded goes, not so much, unless there is some arrangement with the Israeli's to agree to this ceasefire there is nothing rewarding.

Now that is a big ask, can we leave that one on the table for now?

 

I know your post history, I know what you believe, we are about as far apart as is possible to get. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I know your post history, I know what you believe, we are about as far apart as is possible to get. 

 

 

 

Fine, not the end of the world for me, I thought if we together as 2 people as far apart as the main protagonists, Hamas/Israel could come to some sort of agreement there could be a chance of peace here and in the Middle East, obviously to much of a leap for you.

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Fine, not the end of the world for me, I thought if we together as 2 people as far apart as the main protagonists, Hamas/Israel could come to some sort of agreement there could be a chance of peace here and in the Middle East, obviously to much of a leap for you.

Fine, not the end of the world for me

 

Great

9m ago10.32 BST

Netanyahu insists on Hamas’ 'destruction' as part of plan to end war in Gaza

Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has insisted on Hamas’s destruction and said Israel’s conditions for ending the war in Gaza remain unchanged.

It came a day after Joe Biden said Israel was offering a new roadmap towards a full ceasefire in Gaza.

The US president said Israel’s three-stage offer would begin with a six-week phase that would see Israeli forces withdraw from all populated areas of Gaza.

It would also see the “release of a number of hostages, including women, the elderly, the wounded, in exchange for (the) release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners”, Biden said.

In a statement issued on Saturday, Netanyahu described the commitment to a permanent ceasefire before Hamas military and government capacity is destroyed as a “non-starter”.

Netanyahu said:

Israel’s conditions for ending the war have not changed: the destruction of Hamas’s military and governing capabilities, the freeing of all hostages and ensuring that Gaza no longer poses a threat to Israel.

Under the proposal, Israel will continue to insist these conditions are met before a permanent ceasefire is put in place. The notion that Israel will agree to a permanent ceasefire before these conditions are fulfilled is a non-starter.

A senior administration official said yesterday the four-and-a-half-page proposal had been endorsed by the Israeli government and had been presented to Hamas on Friday.

But it was unclear how enthusiastically Netanyahu had embraced the proposal, which Hamas said it had responded to “positively” (see earlier post at 08.31).

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jun/01/israel-gaza-war-live-netanhayu-biden-hamas-ceasefire-plan-rafah-aid-middle-east#top-of-blog

5 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

9m ago10.32 BST

Netanyahu insists on Hamas’ 'destruction' as part of plan to end war in Gaza

Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has insisted on Hamas’s destruction and said Israel’s conditions for ending the war in Gaza remain unchanged.

It came a day after Joe Biden said Israel was offering a new roadmap towards a full ceasefire in Gaza.

The US president said Israel’s three-stage offer would begin with a six-week phase that would see Israeli forces withdraw from all populated areas of Gaza.

It would also see the “release of a number of hostages, including women, the elderly, the wounded, in exchange for (the) release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners”, Biden said.

In a statement issued on Saturday, Netanyahu described the commitment to a permanent ceasefire before Hamas military and government capacity is destroyed as a “non-starter”.

Netanyahu said:

Israel’s conditions for ending the war have not changed: the destruction of Hamas’s military and governing capabilities, the freeing of all hostages and ensuring that Gaza no longer poses a threat to Israel.

Under the proposal, Israel will continue to insist these conditions are met before a permanent ceasefire is put in place. The notion that Israel will agree to a permanent ceasefire before these conditions are fulfilled is a non-starter.

A senior administration official said yesterday the four-and-a-half-page proposal had been endorsed by the Israeli government and had been presented to Hamas on Friday.

But it was unclear how enthusiastically Netanyahu had embraced the proposal, which Hamas said it had responded to “positively” (see earlier post at 08.31).

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jun/01/israel-gaza-war-live-netanhayu-biden-hamas-ceasefire-plan-rafah-aid-middle-east#top-of-blog

 

Whoever found this post funny needs to get a life.

Your either part of the problem or a coward to reply.

Lots of talk about this deal but there was also lots of talk on the one a few weeks ago, no hopes being built up here again for the hostage families. “A ceasefire alone won’t ease the terrible pain of Israelis whose loved ones were butchered or abducted by Hamas, or the Palestinians whose families have been shattered by the subsequent war."

 

Obama backs Israel-Hamas cease-fire road map: ‘It can save lives’

Biden shared an Israeli-led proposal Friday that features a three-part road map that would stop the fighting and release the remaining hostages taken by Hamas when it attacked Israel on Oct. 7, killing some 1,200 people and kidnapping about 250.
The plan has been shared with Hamas through Qatar, he said. During his speech on Friday, Biden urged all Israeli leaders to back the road map, arguing that Hamas has been decimated to the point it could not repeat another Oct. 7 attack. He also called for global pressure on Hamas to accept the deal.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4697377-obama-backs-israel-hamas-cease-fire-roadmap/

 

Kfir Bibas. Say his name. Some chose to look away

 

 

One of purposes of the Philadelphi corridor was to prevent the movement of illegal materials (including weapons and ammunition) and people between Egypt and the Gaza Strip.

 

The IDF now have full control to discover that's exactly what it was being used for by Hamas.

 

One of the tunnels into Egypt:

 

IDF uncovering rocket-launching infrastructure in the Philadelphi corridor along the Gaza-Egypt border

 

16 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

9m ago10.32 BST

Netanyahu insists on Hamas’ 'destruction' as part of plan to end war in Gaza

Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has insisted on Hamas’s destruction and said Israel’s conditions for ending the war in Gaza remain unchanged.

It came a day after Joe Biden said Israel was offering a new roadmap towards a full ceasefire in Gaza.

The US president said Israel’s three-stage offer would begin with a six-week phase that would see Israeli forces withdraw from all populated areas of Gaza.

It would also see the “release of a number of hostages, including women, the elderly, the wounded, in exchange for (the) release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners”, Biden said.

In a statement issued on Saturday, Netanyahu described the commitment to a permanent ceasefire before Hamas military and government capacity is destroyed as a “non-starter”.

Netanyahu said:

Israel’s conditions for ending the war have not changed: the destruction of Hamas’s military and governing capabilities, the freeing of all hostages and ensuring that Gaza no longer poses a threat to Israel.

Under the proposal, Israel will continue to insist these conditions are met before a permanent ceasefire is put in place. The notion that Israel will agree to a permanent ceasefire before these conditions are fulfilled is a non-starter.

A senior administration official said yesterday the four-and-a-half-page proposal had been endorsed by the Israeli government and had been presented to Hamas on Friday.

But it was unclear how enthusiastically Netanyahu had embraced the proposal, which Hamas said it had responded to “positively” (see earlier post at 08.31).

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jun/01/israel-gaza-war-live-netanhayu-biden-hamas-ceasefire-plan-rafah-aid-middle-east#top-of-blog

Like the prior proposal that Hamas accepted, this one is probably dead in the water because it's in netanyahu's interest to continue the conflict, and his right wing probably won't accept any agreement that leaves Gaza as an in independent territory.

 

At least that is what I've been reading.

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Like the prior proposal that Hamas accepted, this one is probably dead in the water because it's in netanyahu's interest to continue the conflict, and his right wing probably won't accept any agreement that leaves Gaza as an in independent territory.

 

At least that is what I've been reading.

This proposal was initiated by Israel as well  

 

Now, after intensive diplomacy carried out by my team and my many conversations with leaders of Israel, Qatar, and Egypt and other Middle Eastern countries, Israel has now offered — Israel has offered a comprehensive new proposal.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/05/31/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-middle-east-2/

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

This proposal was initiated by Israel as well  

 

Now, after intensive diplomacy carried out by my team and my many conversations with leaders of Israel, Qatar, and Egypt and other Middle Eastern countries, Israel has now offered — Israel has offered a comprehensive new proposal.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/05/31/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-middle-east-2/

 

Dead link?

10 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Dead link?

No

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No

 Changed to US VPN and no VPN, still dead?

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 Changed to US VPN and no VPN, still dead?

Same link alive and well

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/05/31/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-middle-east-2/

 

Suggest you take it to tech forum before your derail this topic

 

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 Changed to US VPN and no VPN, still dead?

 

 

Its working for me

15 minutes ago, Rimmer said:

 

 

Its working for me

 

No idea what my problem is then, changed VPN to USA, no VPN, VPN Thailand, different browser as well, my connection is good so I'm beat, I think it's the same blurb as yesterday so no bother.

latest update on the actual war.

 

NEW | Gaza Strip: The IDF Air Force has killed three Hamas officials in the central Gaza Strip over the past week. Israeli forces continued clearing operations in Rafah.

 

Fourteen people were reported injured as Israelis in huge numbers hit streets in Tel Aviv and protested PM Benjamin Netanyahu's alleged inaction over Gaza hostage crisis. Protesters, including families of captives, called on Netanyahu to accept hostage and ceasefire deal proposed by U.S. president Joe Biden for both Israel and Hamas.

 

 

 

Any one that thinks a permeant ceasefire can happen before all hostages are released and Hamas no longer in power are on a different planet. Phase one of deal yes. The rest as Biden said needs a lot of work and negotiations between all parties yet.

 

All the details are here:

 

Full text of Biden’s speech laying out hostage and ceasefire deal for Israel-Hamas war

https://aseannow.com/topic/1328720-biden-pushes-for-end-to-israel-hamas-war-with-new-ceasefire-proposal/

 

Please continue discussions of new ceasefire proposal in one of the topics dedicated for them, thank you.

 

Biden Pushes for End to Israel-Hamas War with New Ceasefire Proposal

 

Israeli Families Claim Netanyahu Requires Positive Polling for Hostage Release Deal

 

Netanyahu Stresses No Permanent Ceasefire Until Hamas Is Crushed and Hostages Freed

 

Hamas Ready for 'Complete Agreement' if Israel Ceases Hostilities

 Israel's foreign ministry on Sunday recommended that Israeli citizens not travel to the Maldives after its government banned the entry of visitors with Israeli passports.

The recommendation, the Israeli ministry said, includes Israelis with dual citizenship.

"For Israeli citizens already in the country, it is recommended to consider leaving, because if they find themselves in distress for any reason, it will be difficult for us to assist," the ministry said in a statement.

The Maldives government said it will ban Israelis from entering the country amid escalating public anger in the nation over Israel's offensive in Gaza.

The AP reported that the president's office said that the cabinet decided to change laws to prevent Israeli passport holders from entering the country and to "establish a subcommittee to oversee the process".

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-recommends-its-citizens-avoid-maldives-following-passport-ban

More weapons and military infrastructure found and destroyed in the Philadelphia corridor. Never mind Hamas.......you started the war, you'll be down to bows and arrows soon although not soon enough granted. 

 

https://x.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/1797221925522899368

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

More weapons and military infrastructure found and destroyed in the Philadelphia corridor. Never mind Hamas.......you started the war, you'll be down to bows and arrows soon although not soon enough granted. 

 

https://x.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/1797221925522899368

 

 

Without Independent verification from International Media how is it possible to know how much of this is truth or Israeli propaganda?

The original is in Hebrew I take it, and this is Google Translate?

21 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Without Independent verification from International Media how is it possible to know how much of this it truth or Israeli propaganda?

The original is in Hebrew I take it, and this is Google Translate?

Except that a handful of news organizations have maintained a regular presence with bureaus there, including The Associated Press, the BBC, Reuters, Agence France-Presse and Al-Jazeera, with a network of stringers helping others. Although I doubt any journalist would want to enter the corridor with it being an active war zone.

 

The X post was from an Israeli government official. 

 

Lets face it, anything that comes from Israel you do not believe.

 

"Whatever Hamas does is lawful and above board" Shameful. Just one of your earlier posts I mentioned.

 

 

Also here:

 

 

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Lets face it, anything that comes from Israel you do not believe.

 

"Whatever Hamas does is lawful and above board" Shameful. Just one of your earlier posts I mentioned.

 

 

 

Yes, one of the posts I'll stand by forever.

 

Does Israel ever comply with the UN?

Are Palestinians considered equal to Israeli citizens?

If not why not?

Israeli Public Opinion Polls: Regarding Peace with the Palestinians and a Palestinian State
(1978 - Present)

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-polls-regarding-peace-with-the-palestinians

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Yes, one of the posts I'll stand by forever.

 

Does Israel ever comply with the UN?

Are Palestinians considered equal to Israeli citizens?

If not why not?

Israeli Public Opinion Polls: Regarding Peace with the Palestinians and a Palestinian State
(1978 - Present)

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-polls-regarding-peace-with-the-palestinians

"Whatever Hamas does is lawful and above board"

 

So we have nothing further to talk about.

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

"Whatever Hamas does is lawful and above board"

 

So we have nothing further to talk about.

 

Hamas was legitimately elected by the  Palestinian people back in 2006/7,  unfortunately the powers that be US/Israel and their Allies then decides they are Terrorists, which I don't have a problem with, US/Israel and their Allies have then carried on until this current crisis with no thought to elections to oust them, now could there have been fresh elections in Gaza?

Would that have been possible during the times when there was less fighting, but no because Israel has always managed the propaganda war by playing the PLO and Hamas factions to keep everything to Israel's benefit, there was never a thought to the situation, we are seeing now, imho.

 

The fact you only see one point of view is your problem, I think I have moved admittedly not much but more to the plight of ordinary Palestinians  caught up in all this, and towards the Israeli's who want their families back together.

 

Sadly to me the powers that be on both sides couldn't give a fig for ordinary people as long as they keep their powers.

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Hamas was legitimately elected by the  Palestinian people back in 2006/7,  unfortunately the powers that be US/Israel and their Allies then decides they are Terrorists, which I don't have a problem with, US/Israel and their Allies have then carried on until this current crisis with no thought to elections to oust them, now could there have been fresh elections in Gaza?

Would that have been possible during the times when there was less fighting, but no because Israel has always managed the propaganda war by playing the PLO and Hamas factions to keep everything to Israel's benefit, there was never a thought to the situation, we are seeing now, imho.

 

The fact you only see one point of view is your problem, I think I have moved admittedly not much but more to the plight of ordinary Palestinians  caught up in all this, and towards the Israeli's who want their families back together.

 

Sadly to me the powers that be on both sides couldn't give a fig for ordinary people as long as they keep their powers.

"Whatever Hamas does is lawful and above board"

 

Nothing can justify your statement like I said we have nothing to discuss;

Posts contravening community standards have been removed. This is not about history or making unsubstaniated claims, you all know the rules by now. Please keep within them or posts will be removed and a warning issued.

Keep it up

 

7 bodies of hostages rescued,
10km of tunnels destroyed,
100+ terrorists eliminated.
This is a summary of our recent operational activity in Jabaliya that led to the retrieval of 7 hostages' bodies from a terrorist tunnel for burial in Israel.
Our forces also eliminated hundreds of terrorists in intense close-quarters combat and located hundreds of weapons, rocket launching compounds and launchers and over 10km of tunnels—all of which were neutralized.

https://x.com/IDF/status/1796480767737921812

Israeli's are not all the same, well worth a watch.

 

The Bottom Line

Gideon Levy: Israel has achieved nothing with war on Gaza

Israeli journalist Gideon Levy on the implications of Israel’s strategy for long-term war in Gaza.

Given a choice between war and getting all its captives back, Israel has opted for more war, argues Israeli journalist Gideon Levy.

Levy tells host Steve Clemons that Israeli politicians may abandon Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, but even if he was replaced, Israel would continue its war on Gaza and occupation of the Palestinian people as a whole. “Radical change” in Israeli attitude and US support is needed for any improvement in the situation, says Levy.

After October 7, even those on the Israeli left believe that Israel has the right to do whatever it wants, the Haaretz columnist argues.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-bottom-line/2024/6/2/gideon-levy-israel-has-achieved-nothing-with-war-on-gaza