58 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

That's a bad argument. If you accepted that line of reasoning, you could blame Israel for the Oct 7 attack by saying they shouldn't have allowed an open-air concert so close to the border with Gaza. 

What are you on? 

50 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

No, you (Wobblybob) will never accept an answer as being truthful if it comes from someone you think hates Israel.

People that use words like "subhuman, Nazis, they deserved it" and much more to refer to Israelis, there can be no doubt in most posters minds that these people do infact hate Israelis/Israel! 

35 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No, no one thinks that the conflict began on Oct 7 th 

You are wrong about that .

You seem to be stuck on the very basics .

For the umpteenth time .

This war began on October 7 th and there were pervious conflicts before that .

Why cant you understand that ?

I understand that, of course. I bring it up all the time. You were the one complaining about a "history lesson." 

33 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel did accept a Palestinian  state .

Israel agreed to a Palestinian  state in 1948 , Palestinians  rejected it 

Again , you are stuck on the basics 

Yes, the "basics" are that Isreal has been seizing Palestinian land since 1949...

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, the "basics" are that Isreal has been seizing Palestinian land since 1949...

 

   They didn't want it , be a shame to see the land going to waste 

30 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

That's a bad argument. If you accepted that line of reasoning, you could blame Israel for the Oct 7 attack by saying they shouldn't have allowed an open-air concert so close to the border with Gaza. 

What are you on? 

My remark was in reference to your post blaming the killing of "human shields" on Hamas. The IDF is the group that is killing them. Hamas did put them there, but so did the Israelis allow the concert near the border with Gaza. I'm not blaming Israel for that, but if you use the same argument as you do about "human shields," you could.

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.”

They are on course, thanks to the USA, who vote against ceasefire, provide the IDF with $billions and make the weapons that IDF use to reach their goal. 

Not a good time to be an Israeli or Yank. Shame on you. 

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You wish.

No, I like most human beings with no skin in the game, want peace and a fair resolution. 

You are biased, because if your ethnicity, nationality and religion. 

9 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, the "basics" are that Isreal has been seizing Palestinian land since 1949...

That's when all the trouble started. 

 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

My remark was in reference to your post blaming the killing of "human shields" on Hamas. The IDF is the group that is killing them. Hamas did put them there, but so did the Israelis allow the concert near the border with Gaza. I'm not blaming Israel for that, but if you use the same argument as you do about "human shields," you could.

 

   The festival goers were not put in the location to act as human shields and their festival was nothing to do with any war or conflict .

  Hamas use Human shields in schools and hospitals .

The festival attendees were not put on site to act as Human shields

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

That's when all the trouble started. 

 

 

 That wasn't when it started ,  there was trouble before that 

54 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

No need to contact any of the news media. They all know this. It's just some on this topic that think all this began on Oct 7, 2023.

They are clutching at the only straw they have. Sad actually. 

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

No, I like most human beings with no skin in the game, want peace and a fair resolution. 

You are biased, because if your ethnicity, nationality and religion. 

 

  With your numerous anti sematic comments , you do seem to have an agenda against Jews

10 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

My remark was in reference to your post blaming the killing of "human shields" on Hamas. The IDF is the group that is killing them. Hamas did put them there, but so did the Israelis allow the concert near the border with Gaza. I'm not blaming Israel for that, but if you use the same argument as you do about "human shields," you could.

Good point. Not so much human shields but like flies, baiting Hamas. 

7 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

My remark was in reference to your post blaming the killing of "human shields" on Hamas. The IDF is the group that is killing them. Hamas did put them there, but so did the Israelis allow the concert near the border with Gaza. I'm not blaming Israel for that, but if you use the same argument as you do about "human shields," you could.

Your remarks as often make very little sense, your remarks are often a smokescreen to deflect the real blame from the terrorists to the Israelis, are you actually trying to blame the Israelis when it is Hamas that are using Gazans as human shields. 

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Good point. Not so much human shields but like flies, baiting Hamas. 

 

   The October 7 th terror attacked was organised long before the festival was organised , so your claim that Hamas were provoked by the festival cannot be true , because Hamas would have carried out the attack anyway 

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The festival goers were not put in the location to act as human shields and their festival was nothing to do with any war or conflict .

  Hamas use Human shields in schools and hospitals .

The festival attendees were not put on site to act as Human shields

The kids in schools and the doctors, workers, and patients in hospitals were not put there by Hamas to act as human shields. 

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

The kids in schools and the doctors, workers, and patients in hospitals were not put there by Hamas to act as human shields. 

The "doctors, workers and patients" are more often than not likely the terrorists themselves. 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The kids in schools and the doctors, workers, and patients in hospitals were not put there by Hamas to act as human shields. 

 

   That's right, its the Hamas terrorists who went into the schools and hospitals and that is what caused the kids and doctors to become human shields . 

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The October 7 th terror attacked was organised long before the festival was organised , so your claim that Hamas were provoked by the festival cannot be true , because Hamas would have carried out the attack anyway 

First of all, I never claimed Hamas was provoked by the festival (although I suspect they were). I never claimed the festival was the reason for the attack. I never blamed Israel for allowing the festival to take place next to the Gaza border. 

What I did do, explaining that for the THIRD TIME, was to show you that your argument blaming Hamas for the deaths of their "human shields" was faulty, and I used the festival as an example of that faulty reasoning. 

And, yes, I know Hamas had been planning this attack for a long time, and there is evidence that Israel ALSO knew about it. I think the festival was just an easy target when the attack did come. 

4 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

The "doctors, workers and patients" are more often than not likely the terrorists themselves. 

This is more faulty reasoning. If that were true, they could not be called "human shields." They would just be the actual "terrorists." 

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That's right, its the Hamas terrorists who went into the schools and hospitals and that is what caused the kids and doctors to become human shields . 

I agree, and I hope you will also agree it was the IDF that KILLED the "human shields," not Hamas. 

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

What I did do, explaining that for the THIRD TIME, was to show you that your argument blaming Hamas for the deaths of their "human shields" was faulty, and I used the festival as an example of that faulty reasoning. 

 

 

   But that just doesn't make any sense at all .

There is no logic behind that reasoning .

Hamas deliberately used Human shields for protection 

The festival attendees were not used as Human shields and they had nothing to do with the war and were not put there by the IDF or the Israeli Government .

   There are no similarities between the festival attendees and the Hamas human shields

Human Shields

To all pro-Israeli posters:

Let me try to quash this argument once and for all. I'll give you a similar situation and then ask you a question. I'd like you all to answer it.

Situation: The police are chasing a man who has just committed multiple homicides. He breaks into a house, gathers up a family (man, woman, and two kids), and barricades himself in a room with them. The police enter the house and break down the door to the room. The murderer is armed and is in a corner of the room holding the family, who are now bound, in front of him.

Question: Is it okay for the police to shoot the family, the "human shields," to be able to kill the murderer? 

11 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I agree, and I hope you will also agree it was the IDF that KILLED the "human shields," not Hamas. 

Human shields are to stop people with any conscience from attacking. IDF attack... Not caring and actually rejoicing as seen in videos. 

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Human shields are to stop people with any conscience from attacking. IDF attack... Not caring and actually rejoicing as seen in videos. 

Human shields are for terrorist cowards who do not care about their own.

 

Try opening your eyes and minimal gray cells........

7 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Human Shields

To all pro-Israeli posters:

Let me try to quash this argument once and for all. I'll give you a similar situation and then ask you a question. I'd like you all to answer it.

Situation: The police are chasing a man who has just committed multiple homicides. He breaks into a house, gathers up a family (man, woman, and two kids), and barricades himself in a room with them. The police enter the house and break down the door to the room. The murderer is armed and is in a corner of the room holding the family, who are now bound, in front of him.

Question: Is it okay for the police to shoot the family, the "human shields," to be able to kill the murderer? 

 

   Don't make up hypothetical stories and try to equate it with Hamas .

If there's a war situation and one side uses Human shields , then the people using Human shields are responsible for any deaths .

   Hamas could just surround themselves with Human shields and march from one end of Israel to the other whilst bombing Israel , whilst being protected by human shields 

11 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

This is more faulty reasoning. If that were true, they could not be called "human shields." They would just be the actual "terrorists." 

Stop trying to twist posts to suit your agenda, you know as well as the next man that Hamas are using their own people as human shields and seem quite happy for them to achieve martyrdom. Just the same when a terrorist misfired rocket hit a hospital at the beginning of this war, (well it hit the car park) and Hamas claimed it killed 500 civilians mostly women and children, the pro Palestian mob couldn't get enough it, they thought all their birthdays had come at once and when the truth was finally revealed it went down like a lead balloon with the baying crowd. You see when you are desperate to slur the Israelis all sense and reasoning goes out of the window. 

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Don't make up hypothetical stories and try to equate it with Hamas .

If there's a war situation and one side uses Human shields , then the people using Human shields are responsible for any deaths .

   Hamas could just surround themselves with Human shields and march from one end of Israel to the other whilst bombing Israel , whilst being protected by human shields 

I was hoping for a "yes" or "no," but, as usual, your answer is just avoiding the question. 

Is it okay to kill "human shields" to get to someone or some group you want to kill?

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I was hoping for a "yes" or "no," but, as usual, your answer is just avoiding the question. 

 

   You asked a question about a made up situation which had no connection to the events in this thread .

   Your question has nothing to do with this thread and thus doesn't need to be answered