trainman34014 Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 6 hours ago, Mike Lister said: Nobody is hiding the appalling smog levels, nor the road traffic deaths nor any of the other bad things, if any potential tourist was to research those things, they would know in a heartbeat and would holiday in Morecambe instead......or would they! No; probably Fleetwood instead !
emptypockets Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 49 minutes ago, trainman34014 said: No; probably Fleetwood instead ! Or Wise
Popular Post Bday Prang Posted March 21, 2024 Popular Post Posted March 21, 2024 Seems to me that the problem is not an overall increase in criminal activity by foreigners, rather a few instances of bad behaviour have been jumped on by mainstream media, and "gone viral" on social media ,so the problem they feel they have is bad publicity Now a crackdown has been ordered, in order for that to appear successful results will need to be seen, so there will be even more reporting of bad behaviour and more reports of the ensuing deportations as the media jumps on the bandwagon, every minor transgression will be headline news, resulting in even more bad publicity The more bad publicity they create the more likely it is to get picked up by the foreign media which is probably not what they want to happen. To be honest I doubt many prospective tourists would seriously consider changing their travel plans due to the few reports of bad behaviour by a handful of foreigners that have hit the headlines recently. A cursory glance at this forum might not encourage them much though, and god forbid if a travel blogger or u-tube influencer simply started uploading clips from Amarin Tv's nightly news show , showing the sort of things that happen here every single day I reckon their precious tourist industry would be decimated very quickly indeed. Just the traffic incidents would be enough to discourage most people, but what would the average "quality tourist" make of the daily reports of Feral teenage gangs, Incest, Rape, Murder, Perverted Monks, Horrible Taxi drivers, Corrupt police, Endless acts of violence, etc etc etc ? First impressions are lasting impressions too, there must be thousands of people already who were a bit disappointed when the first thing they experience in the land of smiles is a 2 to 3 hour queue at immigration after a 10+ hour long journey to get here,and the first actual Thai they meet is a scowling sour faced immigration officer who interrogates them as to why they have come here and reprimands them for not retaining their boarding pass. And to cap it all if they arrive on the wrong day , they can't even relax with a beer 2 1
elektrified Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 12 hours ago, jonclark said: That is a matter of opinion ...not fact. I do not think that a bit of swearing and a kick should result in a person's life being torn apart. I feel the punishment should fit the crime. Get real. She kicked an 8 month pregnant woman in the abdominal area. Cancel her visa and deport her ASAP! 1
Popular Post bradiston Posted March 21, 2024 Popular Post Posted March 21, 2024 7 hours ago, Mike Lister said: Nobody is hiding the appalling smog levels, nor the road traffic deaths nor any of the other bad things, if any potential tourist was to research those things, they would know in a heartbeat and would holiday in Morecambe instead......or would they! Srettha specifically didn't declare the smog as a disaster because of the impact it would have on tourism. Failing to inform people is deception, a version of fraud. But deception is key to luring. 1 2
Sig Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 12 hours ago, hellohello123 said: So their logic, if a thai and a foreigner are robbing a 7-11, theyre all going after the foreigner while ignoring the thai I think you have understood that correctly, assuming the statement in the article is accurate, "Addressing crimes committed by foreigners is of paramount importance to the Royal Thai Police...". Although, they may not "ignore" the Thai, it is of "paramount" importance to get the farang and not so important to get the Thai. 2
Sig Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 14 hours ago, transam said: Their country, we are all guests, keep the populace happy..... It could likewise be said that hosts are beholden to keep their guests happy.... 1
Old Croc Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 I think there has been an increase in crime by visitors, not just appearing that way because of heightened publicity. Mass tourism will always result in a few individual idiots and criminals doing their thing, but IMO, the reason for this increase directly relates to expanded government policy allowing visa free entry specifically to people from countries like China, Russia and Kazakhstan. Countries that have evolved with different cultural behaviors relating to law and criminality. Chinese mafia and gangs have introduced large scale money laundering, counterfeit goods and crypto, gambling and more. The Russian war resulted in large communities suddenly springing up in many regions resulting in increases in illegal workers to cater to them. Kazakhstan is known to have a huge crime problem. For me, Government policy is causing much of the crisis they are complaining about. 1 1
Red Forever Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 On 3/21/2024 at 9:58 AM, Mike Lister said: verb keep (a person or place) under surveillance; closely monitor or observe. "he deployed FBI agents to surveil the offices of those companies" Dontcha just love it when the smug grammar police get it wrong?
Bday Prang Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 11 hours ago, bradiston said: Srettha specifically didn't declare the smog as a disaster because of the impact it would have on tourism. Failing to inform people is deception, a version of fraud. But deception is key to luring. whether he declares it or not the UK government could still issue a travel warning, if they do insurance companies will react. It not really up to him even though he thinks it is 1
Bday Prang Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 9 hours ago, Sig said: I think you have understood that correctly, assuming the statement in the article is accurate, "Addressing crimes committed by foreigners is of paramount importance to the Royal Thai Police...". Although, they may not "ignore" the Thai, it is of "paramount" importance to get the farang and not so important to get the Thai. people overstaying or working without permits is of no concern to tourists whatsoever.
Bday Prang Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 1 hour ago, Old Croc said: I think there has been an increase in crime by visitors, not just appearing that way because of heightened publicity. Mass tourism will always result in a few individual idiots and criminals doing their thing, but IMO, the reason for this increase directly relates to expanded government policy allowing visa free entry specifically to people from countries like China, Russia and Kazakhstan. Countries that have evolved with different cultural behaviors relating to law and criminality. Chinese mafia and gangs have introduced large scale money laundering, counterfeit goods and crypto, gambling and more. The Russian war resulted in large communities suddenly springing up in many regions resulting in increases in illegal workers to cater to them. Kazakhstan is known to have a huge crime problem. For me, Government policy is causing much of the crisis they are complaining about. you maybe right but if it wasn't for the half dozen or so examples that have hit the headlines, nobody would be talking about this, not the Thais and not the self flagellators on here who think they can virtue signal their way out of it. 1
Old Croc Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 15 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: you maybe right but if it wasn't for the half dozen or so examples that have hit the headlines, nobody would be talking about this, not the Thais and not the self flagellators on here who think they can virtue signal their way out of it. I think the examples in the press are in the hundreds now. They're even parading drunk drivers now. I wasn't denying the publicity has intensified making the problem more visible, and causing some hysteria, but I also believe the relaxed entry rules for some, has had a detrimental effect, as stated. I believe much of the current conversation started with the Chinese mafia before the idiot Swiss put his foot in it. Chinese mafia footprint in Thailand raises questions - Thailand Business News (thailand-business-news.com).
metisdead Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 A troll post with nothing other than a trolling meme contravening our Community Standards has been removed.
fondue zoo Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 I can only get cavity searched so many times, sheesh 1
bradiston Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 1 hour ago, Bday Prang said: whether he declares it or not the UK government could still issue a travel warning, if they do insurance companies will react. It not really up to him even though he thinks it is So all non UK tourists can just carry on regardless, if their governments don't issue a travel warning? I guess that would be the Thai government's attitude. Up to you! A similar situation, in miniature, occurred on an island I used to live on. There had been some serious stinging events by box jellyfish. Children had suffered. The village elders convened a meeting as to what to do. Should they tell, or not? The foreigners all stood up and said if you don't tell, you lay yourself open to accusations of "They knew but they didn't say anything". In the end, warning signs were put up on beaches along with bottles of vinegar, which promptly disappeared.
transam Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 11 hours ago, Sig said: It could likewise be said that hosts are beholden to keep their guests happy.... Why, they left their perfect place, well, didn't they........🤭
traveller101 Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 17 hours ago, elektrified said: Get real. She kicked an 8 month pregnant woman in the abdominal area. Cancel her visa and deport her ASAP! You forgot that she is a revered guest of Thailand from Russia - a 500 Baht fine and a 14 day suspended prison sentence will serve as a stiff reminder to strictly follow the law.
Bday Prang Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 3 hours ago, bradiston said: So all non UK tourists can just carry on regardless, if their governments don't issue a travel warning? I guess that would be the Thai government's attitude. Up to you! That's the way I see it. people can, under normal circumstances go where ever they want , however in the case of the UK if the foreign office issues a travel warning most insurance companies won't cover you, I have no ides how other countries behave but I would imagine it is similar. It normally happens after a natural disaster or some form of civil unrest, If the UK issues an official warning its likely others will have done the same. If Thailand were to declare a state of emergency its likely that the UK would repeat it to the general uk population, but I don't think they would necessarily have to wait for Thailand to do that before issuing any warning
jacko45k Posted March 23, 2024 Posted March 23, 2024 On 3/21/2024 at 11:08 PM, elektrified said: Get real. She kicked an 8 month pregnant woman in the abdominal area. Cancel her visa and deport her ASAP! I read it was in the shins! Chinese whispers........ 1 1
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