Wobblybob Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 5 minutes ago, ikke1959 said: Indeed same for me , but in the Israel/Hamas conflict I have no idea who the terrorist are......They are both accusing eachother Hamas! HTH 🥴 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Zioner Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 20 minutes ago, placnx said: Many Western governments still do in spite of their people being strongly in favor of a ceasefire. Yep, just got a new package of military aid from the US. Don't forget that once Tsahal completes the Gaza cleansing our Air Force will be tasked with wiping out the Iranian nuclear program. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 22 minutes ago, placnx said: It will take the ICJ years to issue a definitive judgement. There will need to be sanctions long before that if another Nakba is to be avoided. This is a matter for the world to decide. It is not up to Israel's whim. Not wanting a repeat of the deliberate slaughter and brutalisation of 1200 of its civilians is a "whim" is it..? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 43 minutes ago, Scouse123 said: Even the Muslim states found the Hamas demands ridiculous to end the conflict and threatened to deport them from Qatar unless they moved a long way in their position of compromise. Historically, the surrounding Muslim states have found the Palestinian conflict, and their refusal to find a middle ground many years ago, to be a burden, and only support it for the sake of being seen to take the side of Muslims against Jews. When the Jews went back to their historic land, it was a barren wasteland—sand, desert and nothing else. It still would be if it hadn't been for the massive efforts, investment and determination of the Jews. Now they are making a success of it against all odds, here come along the Arab Palestinians claiming ownership of this, that and the other. And the Arab Palestinian holy sites, happen to be in the middle of the Jewish holiest sites. "When the Jews went back to their historic land, it was a barren wasteland—sand, desert and nothing else." This is a trope that has been around since the 19th Century, part of the original Zionist settlement campaign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted March 30 Popular Post Share Posted March 30 If the picture of the Thai flag is genuine, I assume it was done to show sympathy to the Thais murdered on October 7 by Iran backed Hamas terrorists and also the Thai hostages being held if they are still alive. What the Thai government might think about a show of sympathy to Thai people is really another matter. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham8888 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 7 hours ago, Wobblybob said: Oh perleeeeaaaase, put another record on, this ones getting worn out, what some posters will invent to justify these horrific crimes against humanity is mind boggling. Exactly- hammas knew what would happen when their leaders ordered the attack from the comfort of their mansions in Qatar bought with stolen aid money ( fact) but they care less about the people than the israelis but as usual it is the decent honest people that suffer for the egos and greed of a few . barbaric acts on both sides 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouse123 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 12 minutes ago, placnx said: "When the Jews went back to their historic land, it was a barren wasteland—sand, desert and nothing else." This is a trope that has been around since the 19th Century, part of the original Zionist settlement campaign. A bit longer than the 19th century, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, Scouse123 said: Even the Muslim states found the Hamas demands ridiculous to end the conflict and threatened to deport them from Qatar unless they moved a long way in their position of compromise. Historically, the surrounding Muslim states have found the Palestinian conflict, and their refusal to find a middle ground many years ago, to be a burden, and only support it for the sake of being seen to take the side of Muslims against Jews. When the Jews went back to their historic land, it was a barren wasteland—sand, desert and nothing else. It still would be if it hadn't been for the massive efforts, investment and determination of the Jews. Now they are making a success of it against all odds, here come along the Arab Palestinians claiming ownership of this, that and the other. And the Arab Palestinian holy sites, happen to be in the middle of the Jewish holiest sites. If we kicked out the scousers from Liverpool and sent most of them back to Ireland from whence they came and gave their houses and land to Pakistani and Indian immigrants within a generation I confidently predict Liverpool would be humming with commerce and industry. Add the Hong Kong Chinese to the mix and we could have Singapore on Mersey. Can you see any problems with this policy ? Might not get the Beatles though, but on the plus side we would lose Ken Dodd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouse123 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, Graham8888 said: Exactly- hammas knew what would happen when their leaders ordered the attack from the comfort of their mansions in Qatar bought with stolen aid money ( fact) but they care less about the people than the israelis but as usual it is the decent honest people that suffer for the egos and greed of a few . barbaric acts on both sides Spot on, And is it not the same as the barbaric acts ordered by these so-called Imans and teachers of Islam, brainwashing you lads to extremism, and radicalism and encouraging suicide bombings, whilst those ordering it, are sat in the comfort of their own homes? They've all got great ideas and lopsided ways of interpreting the Koran when it is somebody else's life they are playing with. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouse123 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said: If we kicked out the scousers from Liverpool and sent most of them back to Ireland from whence they came and gave their houses and land to Pakistani and Indian immigrants within a generation I confidently predict Liverpool would be humming with commerce and industry. Add the Hong Kong Chinese to the mix and we could have Singapore on Mersey. Can you see any problems with this policy ? Might not get the Beatles though, but on the plus side we would lose Ken Dodd. And what would the HK Chinese and Pakistanis do for football teams? Nothing wrong with Scousers and even less wrong with the Irish. YNWA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, Scouse123 said: And what would the HK Chinese and Pakistanis do for football teams? Nothing wrong with Scousers and even less wrong with the Irish. YNWA. Precisely - the point is you belong there and why should interlopers kick you out of your houses and land. 700k Palestinian Arabs were kicked out at the birth of Israel from their historic lands. Some still have the title deeds for their lands now having Israeli settlers living on then. Just imagine that happened to you - how would you react ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 As I understand it the Israelis object to a cease-fire because it would allow Hamas to re-gather and re-arm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BestB Posted March 30 Popular Post Share Posted March 30 41 minutes ago, placnx said: In the latest attack on Al Shifa Hospital, IDF took away news reporting equipment, etc, so that there is little evidence of what happened. There was reporting that there was fighting, but around 100 m from Al Shifa. On a previous operation on Al Shifa, in an IDF guided tour of the "command center" in the basement, they pointed out the "terrorist staff list", actually a calendar, and showed off some Hamas equipment that IDF could have brought with them. Propaganda. It seems to me that all these attacks on hospitals are just part of a strategy to make Gaza unlivable. Nice deflection but please do stick to facts hanas stated no fighters in the hospital, so AGAIN who is fighting IDF in fierce battle for days and mind you not my words but your beloved AlJazeera , fierce fighting raging in vacinity of hospital , so AGAIN who is fighting with IDF? then follow up reports claim so many women and children were killed, so it was women and children fighting with IDF? Brave man are hiding in the tunnel ? make up your mind, which one is it ? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouse123 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: Precisely - the point is you belong there and why should interlopers kick you out of your houses and land. 700k Palestinian Arabs were kicked out at the birth of Israel from their historic lands. Some still have the title deeds for their lands now having Israeli settlers living on then. Just imagine that happened to you - how would you react ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba That was all done around the 1940s and 1950s. That is what the then-leaders decided at that time. We all have to sometimes accept that life isn't always fair and it won't always go our way. The Lebanese had a wonderful Christian land and economy, and the state of Afghanistan was Buddhist. Both are ruined nowadays. Times change and maps move Quite sure we Brits didn't like being dispossessed by the Vikings and the Romans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 50 minutes ago, ikke1959 said: Indeed same for me , but in the Israel/Hamas conflict I have no idea who the terrorist are......They are both accusing eachother Easy, the ones fighting from tunnels, hospitals, schools and anywhere else there are civilians to use as human shields 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bangkok Barry Posted March 30 Popular Post Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: 2 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said: Can you point to documentary proof of that, please. Certified by an independent body. Thanks. I do not know the exact number, bit it hasn't been 30 000 civilians killed, that is for sure Are you really that gulliable, beleiving what you are told with no independent verification that it's the truth? Do you believe Putin too when he said he invaded Ukraine to stop a Nazi takeover? Out of over 30,000 killed I'm sure that there were terrorists included in that number, but there are many, many thousands killed who were not. Israel's reaction to the Hamas attack has been, if you'll excuse the expression, overkill in every sense. Is there any nation on Earth now that has said otherwise? Even Israel's staunch ally, the USA, who at first said they would support Isael "no matter what", has stepped back and demanded they stop the killing. Not only that, the Americans are even helping the Palestinians that Israel is starving with airdrops of food. And, for a force to claim they are not targeting citizens, they sure have made many thousands of mistakes. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 5 minutes ago, Scouse123 said: That was all done around the 1940s and 1950s. That is what the then-leaders decided at that time. We all have to sometimes accept that life isn't always fair and it won't always go our way. The Lebanese had a wonderful Christian land and economy, and the state of Afghanistan was Buddhist. Both are ruined nowadays. Times change and maps move Quite sure we Brits didn't like being dispossessed by the Vikings and the Romans. And those claims about the Vikings and the Romans are 1000 years later than Israeli biblical claims on the Holy Land. It doesn't work like that, historic grudges poison politics for generations, that just the way it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Just now, Bangkok Barry said: Are you really that gulliable, beleiving what you are told with no independent verification that it's the truth? Do you believe Putin too when he said he invaded Ukraine to stop a Nazi takeover? Out of over 30,000 killed I'm sure that there were terrorists included in that number, but there are many, many thousands killed who were not. Israel's reaction to the Hamas attack has been, if you'll excuse the expression, overkill in every sense. Is there any nation on Earth now that has said otherwise? Even Israel's staunch ally, the USA, who at first said they would support Isael "no matter what", has stepped back and demanded they stop the killing. Not only that, the Americans are even helping the Palestinians that Israel is starving with airdrops of food. And, for a force to claim they are not targeting citizens, they sure have made many thousands of mistakes. Actually out of that number there were well over 13,000 terrorist's killed and also those Gazans killed from Hamas rockets that land back inside Gaza after misfiring. Then you've also got to factor in that the numbers come from Hamas to begin with and they themselves admit that thousands of the death figures are from other media sources but won't name which ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 7 hours ago, brianthainess said: That is a brand new flag, IMO still has the fold creases in it and is spotless, where did it come from? There are a lot of Thai agriculture workers over there. I'm wondering if this soldier may have had some Thai friends, may have worked with some Thais before having to join the war. Perhaps he just meant to show solidarity with Thais, who have hostages being held by the maniacal terrorists/Hamas. Maybe one of his Thai friends sent it to him. But, no matter what official story they come up with, I don't think anyone will believe it. In the end, it's pretty stupid to make a fuss of it. It's just an ordinary soldier, not like he's some sort of high ranking officer making an official statement. But people love making a major commotion out of anything these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobodysfriend Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, placnx said: are just part of a strategy to make Gaza unlivable... ...for palestinians . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 3 hours ago, nobodysfriend said: Tired about topics about Israel and the war , I can only say : Let the International court of Justice ( ICJ ) decide . These are professional judges , evidence will be gathered and a judgement will be delivered . I do not think that this judgement will influence Israel's decision in any way , but ... up to Israel ... they will need to live with the consequences . Sorry for the thousands of dead palestinian civilians , that certainly could have been avoided if there had been a will to do this . Just one more thing : Israel is in no way above criticism , and to call someone an ' antisemite ' because he , or she , dares to critizise Israel , is not correct . Do you think Israel gives a flying f&$# about the ICJ? There hasn't been a singular UN resolution that has had consequences for Israel. All because of their big protection from America, and most recently Biden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 8 hours ago, JoePai said: I’m sure ‘the world’ certainly has not lost sight of the atrocities Hamas perpetrated BUT the present actions by Israel have gone way over the top and as other have mentioned it’s now just a massacre / genocide etc - or whatever term you want 'over the top'? You're quoting Biden. Biden is complicit in war crimes and ethnic cleansing, and possibly genocide. That's the guy Americans are supposedly to vote for instead of the corrupt fascist Trump. How low America has fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) "At the request of Thailand, the Israeli government is urgently examining a photo depicting an Israeli soldier holding the Thai national flag in front of piles of debris. Looks like it's in front of a tank to me! Edited March 30 by sambum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Perhaps the soldier knows of the plight of Thai hostages and those executed by Hamas, and is showing they are not forgotten and are being avenged....... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Sig said: There are a lot of Thai agriculture workers over there. I'm wondering if this soldier may have had some Thai friends, may have worked with some Thais before having to join the war. Perhaps he just meant to show solidarity with Thais, who have hostages being held by the maniacal terrorists/Hamas. Maybe one of his Thai friends sent it to him. But, no matter what official story they come up with, I don't think anyone will believe it. In the end, it's pretty stupid to make a fuss of it. It's just an ordinary soldier, not like he's some sort of high ranking officer making an official statement. But people love making a major commotion out of anything these days. But people Thais love making a major commotion out of anything these days. Even made a "drama out of a crisis" when an Eastern lady had to pee in the street because of a lack of toilet facilities in a certain Thai holiday resort! Edited March 30 by sambum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted March 30 Popular Post Share Posted March 30 (edited) 8 hours ago, brianthainess said: That is a brand new flag, IMO still has the fold creases in it and is spotless, where did it come from? Lazada? at least it's the flag of a real country, unlike that fantasy Palestine flag. There has NEVER been a country called Palestine and probably never will be, even though they had many chances for one. Edited March 30 by proton 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidneyw Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 8 hours ago, brianthainess said: That is a brand new flag, IMO still has the fold creases in it and is spotless, where did it come from? Lazada 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidneyw Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 8 hours ago, brianthainess said: That is a brand new flag, IMO still has the fold creases in it and is spotless, where did it come from? Lazada 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said: Are you really that gulliable, beleiving what you are told with no independent verification that it's the truth? Out of over 30,000 killed I'm sure that there were terrorists included in that number, but there are many, many thousands killed who were not. So, wheres you proof that 30 000 civilians have been killed ? 30 000 killed , about 13 000 Hamas members and the rest civilians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignore it Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) Stupid. The Thai flag seems finally to have gone viral. Promoting Thailand. They should give him a free visa. But politics is politics. Edited March 30 by ignore it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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