Ukraine is running out of men to fight.

[thaibeachlovers]

One wonders if they will be sending the press gang to Thailand to round up the draft evaders.

 

Not on the link, but according to Al Jazeera existing troops will not be excused after a period in the military, but have to continue serving. That's not going to make them happy.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/16/ukraines-zelenskyy-signs-new-army-draft-law-to-boost-conscription

Ukraine’s Zelenskyy signs new army draft law to boost conscription

Law obliges men to update their draft data, increases payments to volunteers and adds new punishments for draft dodging.

[Jingthing]

Blame Russia.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Blame Russia.

IMO there is enough blame to go around for a lot of countries that got involved in a Russia Ukraine dispute and shouldn't have.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO there is enough blame to go around for a lot of countries that got involved in a Russia Ukraine dispute and shouldn't have.

Of course you do.

[tuktuktuk]

I'm struggling to understand why the minimum draft age in Ukraine  is 25.

[Maestro]

On 4/16/2024 at 11:35 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO there is enough blame to go around for a lot of countries that got involved in a Russia Ukraine dispute and shouldn't have.

 

That's an interesting comment.

 

A lot of countries got involved in a German dispute with a number of European countries, during the second world war, and I, for one, am glad that they did.

[eisfeld]

3 minutes ago, Maestro said:

 

That's an interesting comment.

 

A lot of countries got involved in a German dispute with a number of European countries, during the second world war, and I, for one, am glad that they did.

 

Exactly. If third countries wouldn't get involved in disputes between countries then any stronger country can just take over any smaller country.

 

It's like a school bully. The bully wont stop by himself and the bullied guy isn't strong enough to defend himself. Others have to step in. Which is also the whole idea of NATO. All countries together are too strong for anyone else to try to invade any individual member state.

[G_Money]

On 4/17/2024 at 4:29 AM, Jingthing said:

Blame Russia.

Surprised you’re not blaming Trump.

 

This invasion would not of happened under a Trump presidency.

 

[Seppius]

On 4/17/2024 at 4:27 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

One wonders if they will be sending the press gang to Thailand to round up the draft evaders.

 

Not on the link, but according to Al Jazeera existing troops will not be excused after a period in the military, but have to continue serving. That's not going to make them happy.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/16/ukraines-zelenskyy-signs-new-army-draft-law-to-boost-conscription

Ukraine’s Zelenskyy signs new army draft law to boost conscription

Law obliges men to update their draft data, increases payments to volunteers and adds new punishments for draft dodging.

Very Few Ukrainians here now, they are home defending their country, thousands of Russians not willing to die for a despot

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

That's an interesting comment.

 

A lot of countries got involved in a German dispute with a number of European countries, during the second world war, and I, for one, am glad that they did.

IMO it would have been pretty obvious that Hitler intended to expand Germany's borders, and he had the best military in the world to do so, so it was in their interest to get involved. Worth remembering that America did not join in till Hitler declared war on America.

Not the same situation with Russia. Russia, despite western propaganda had reasons for invading Ukraine, is highly unlikely to attack any NATO country and has been shown to have a second rate military.

 

Far as I can see it's a proxy war that failed, and a gold mine for arms companies. Saving the western world from Putin, not so much.

[retarius]

On 4/17/2024 at 4:35 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO there is enough blame to go around for a lot of countries that got involved in a Russia Ukraine dispute and shouldn't have.

The war was caused by endless US provocation via its warmongering NATO alliance. The world will never see peace until this hydra is strangled. 

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, eisfeld said:

 

Exactly. If third countries wouldn't get involved in disputes between countries then any stronger country can just take over any smaller country.

 

It's like a school bully. The bully wont stop by himself and the bullied guy isn't strong enough to defend himself. Others have to step in. Which is also the whole idea of NATO. All countries together are too strong for anyone else to try to invade any individual member state.

It's like a school bully. The bully wont stop by himself and the bullied guy isn't strong enough to defend himself. Others have to step in. Which is also the whole idea of NATO. All countries together are too strong for anyone else to try to invade any individual member state.

 

Agreed, but NATO is for NATO countries, not all of the world.

Ukraine isn't in NATO and NATO isn't the world's policeman. There are plenty of lovely wars to get involved in all over the world, but the only one NATO has got involved in is one with white people and it ignores all the ones with dark skinned people.

 

Tell me why the west didn't stop China invading Tibet. They didn't did they? Didn't do anything, nothing at all. So much for standing up against the bullies.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Seppius said:

Very Few Ukrainians here now, they are home defending their country, thousands of Russians not willing to die for a despot

You should give them all white feathers.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, tuktuktuk said:

I'm struggling to understand why the minimum draft age in Ukraine  is 25.

Perhaps, like so many in the west, youths are fat, unfit and would be useless in combat.

Anyway, if it keeps going as is perhaps they will be conscripting 15 year olds soon.

 

IMO any country that has to conscript the unwilling has to do so because the citizens do not agree that the war is worth dying in.

Edited April 26 by thaibeachlovers

[retarius]

9 hours ago, Seppius said:

Very Few Ukrainians here now, they are home defending their country, thousands of Russians not willing to die for a despot

This is pretty unusual, usually you have no problem recruiting to defend the homeland so Ukraine's military should be flush with young men willing to sacrifice themselves to save their country, but Ukraine are struggling for men and can't find anyone willing to go to the front. Perhaps this is because their commanders simply look at them as cannon fodder and totally expendable, and because the potential recruits reason that Russia cannot lose....Russia can only draw or win....Ukrainians can die for a draw or a loss. 

50 years back if this war were to have taken place, patriotic fervour would have driven thousands to the Ukronazi front lines. It seems that patriotism, thank god, is on the decline. Why should men die for their vile, corrupt politicians and oligarchs?

[RayC]

3 hours ago, retarius said:

Why should men die for their vile, corrupt politicians and oligarchs?

 

Millions of Russians seem to be asking themselves the same question.

[RayC]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Russia, despite western propaganda had reasons for invading Ukraine, is highly unlikely to attack any NATO country and has been shown to have a second rate military.

 

 

Russia - despite your ceaseless attempts to suggest otherwise - had no legitimate reason to invade Ukraine.

 

I'm sure that Poland and the Baltic States are reassured by the security that being NATO members brings, but who can blame them being worried by Russia's illegal actions in Ukraine? It's not just this invasion, it's also the illegal annexation of Crimea and support of terrorists in the Donbass. Let's also not forget that Russia does have 'form' when it comes to occupying Poland and the Baltic States.

[RayC]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's like a school bully. The bully wont stop by himself and the bullied guy isn't strong enough to defend himself. Others have to step in. Which is also the whole idea of NATO. All countries together are too strong for anyone else to try to invade any individual member state.

 

Agreed, but NATO is for NATO countries, not all of the world.

Ukraine isn't in NATO and NATO isn't the world's policeman. There are plenty of lovely wars to get involved in all over the world, but the only one NATO has got involved in is one with white people and it ignores all the ones with dark skinned people.

 

Tell me why the west didn't stop China invading Tibet. They didn't did they? Didn't do anything, nothing at all. So much for standing up against the bullies.

 

Absolutely tangential tosh. 

 

From the NATO website: "NATO's purpose is to guarantee the freedom and security of its members through political and military means".

 

It's pretty obvious that a conflict taking place on the borders of some of its member states' is very much a legitimate cause for NATO concern, especially when the main antagonist is the very same expansionist State which NATO was set up to counter.

[Hummin]

14 hours ago, G_Money said:

Surprised you’re not blaming Trump.

 

This invasion would not of happened under a Trump presidency.

 

If Trump was in place, he would settled everything with a stroke of a pen on the map granting Putin Crimea and Donbas

[Wobblybob]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

If Trump was in place, he would settled everything with a stroke of a pen on the map granting Putin Crimea and Donbas

🎶 If Trump ruled the world everyday would be the first day of spring 🎶. 🥴😂😂😂

 

Another gem Hummin, keep em cummin.

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

🎶 If Trump ruled the world everyday would be the first day of spring 🎶. 🥴😂😂😂

 

Another gem Hummin, keep em cummin.

continue making a fool of yourselves, dont you? 

 

Now you insinuate om a pro Trump dont you? 

[G_Money]

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If Trump was in place, he would settled everything with a stroke of a pen on the map granting Putin Crimea and Donbas

Crimea was invaded under Obamas presidency.  Obama-Biden same same.

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, G_Money said:

Crimea was invaded under Obamas presidency.  Obama-Biden same same.

Why do you think Trump would have made any difference? 

 

Trump continue to claim if he was president, this wouldnt happen, but still havent said why he would made any difference to the world politics. 

 

Trump for sure escalated the Israel Palestinian conflict by granting Israel Jerusalem as capital and moved the American Embassy there. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Jerusalem

[G_Money]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Why do you think Trump would have made any difference? 

 

Trump continue to claim if he was president, this wouldnt happen, but still havent said why he would made any difference to the world politics. 

 

Trump for sure escalated the Israel Palestinian conflict by granting Israel Jerusalem as capital and moved the American Embassy there. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Jerusalem

Trunp projects Strength.  Biden projects weakness.  Simple as that.

 

Peace in the ME under Trump.  
 

Under Biden,  watch the news.

[eisfeld]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's like a school bully. The bully wont stop by himself and the bullied guy isn't strong enough to defend himself. Others have to step in. Which is also the whole idea of NATO. All countries together are too strong for anyone else to try to invade any individual member state.

 

Agreed, but NATO is for NATO countries, not all of the world.

Ukraine isn't in NATO and NATO isn't the world's policeman. There are plenty of lovely wars to get involved in all over the world, but the only one NATO has got involved in is one with white people and it ignores all the ones with dark skinned people.

 

Tell me why the west didn't stop China invading Tibet. They didn't did they? Didn't do anything, nothing at all. So much for standing up against the bullies.

 

NATO is not involved in the Ukraine war. Some NATO member countries are supporting Ukraine with funds and weapons but that is a different thing. If NATO would be involved in the war then it would look very, very different.

 

Why the west didn't stop China from invading Tibet? Well they can't defend everyone now can they? They wouldn't be in a very good position to defend there just geographically speaking and then you also have to be a bit realistic in that western countries have to take into account geopolitical threats, economic threats and other strategic considerations. But you can see both Russia and China have taken over territories before without much opposition and it has embolded them to do more of the same as we are seeing.

[DonniePeverley]

There's loads of them in Thailand pretending to be Russians. 

[scottiejohn]

22 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

NATO is not involved in the Ukraine war. Some NATO member countries are supporting Ukraine with funds and weapons but that is a different thing. If NATO would be involved in the war then it would look very, very different.

 

Why the west didn't stop China from invading Tibet?

One minute you are talking about "NATO" then you talk about the "west"!  The terms are NOT interchangeable!

One is a treaty group who would have no cause or mandate to defend Tibet while the so called "west" is not a cohesive group with any mandate to interfere in Tibet!

 

PS;  Do you classify Turkey as being in the west?

 

 

 

Edited April 26 by scottiejohn
PS added.

[Wobblybob]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

continue making a fool of yourselves, dont you? 

 

Now you insinuate om a pro Trump dont you? 

You were the one singing his praises and due to contrary belief Trump cannot do wonders and pass cucumbers, he lies Hummin, he lies!

[eisfeld]

5 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

One minute you are talking about "NATO" then you talk about the "west"!  The terms are NOT interchangeable!

One is a treaty group who would have no cause or mandate to defend Tibet while the so called "west" is not a cohesive group with any mandate to interfere in Tibet!

 

PS;  Do you classify Turkey as being in the west?

 

 

 

 

I replied to two different questions from another poster. You have to read the quoted post before reading my reply to it. Two questions, two answers. In both cases separated by some newlines.

[Hummin]

28 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You were the one singing his praises and due to contrary belief Trump cannot do wonders and pass cucumbers, he lies Hummin, he lies!

I think I have stated my despise for Trump enough times, and most would know the irony in my post! 

 

Im not two faced ignorant single minded, just for your information.