'Openly Jewish' man threatened with arrest by Police near pro-Palestine march

[NanLaew]

By wearing his kippah, he's not simply being 'openly Jewish', he obviously is Jewish and proud of it.

 

Now, if you compare that with the majority of protesters, proudly sporting the keffiyeh that they bought online...

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why was a Jew singled out?

Because the officer believed he was about to put himself and others in harms way would be my guess.

 

But you’d have to ask the particular officer who was making on the spot decisions.

Remember to take your hindsight along with you when you do.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

4 hours ago, Tug said:

the idiot trying to be a martyr that could have been a major incident 

 

Trying to be a martyr simply by crossing a London street; you obviously think that these ‘peaceful’ pro-Palestinian protesters are a collective of dangerous, violent extremists ….. and you might well be right.

 

[Wobblybob]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because the officer believed he was about to put himself and others in harms way would be my guess.

 

But you’d have to ask the particular officer who was making on the spot decisions.

Remember to take your hindsight along with you when you do.

Yeah, we don't want Jews walking peacefully on our streets, that'll never do. Maybe we could find somewhere to lock them up while these hate marches are taking place, it's for their own good remember.🥴

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Trying to be a martyr simply by crossing a London street; you obviously think that these ‘peaceful’ pro-Palestinian protesters are a collective of dangerous, violent extremists ….. and you might well be right.

 

Walking into a Protest is a little more than crossing the street.

 

But the activist is unharmed, safe and well, which I think is a good thing.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Yeah, we don't want Jews walking peacefully on our streets, that'll never do. Maybe we could find somewhere to lock them up while these hate marches are taking place, it's for their own good remember.🥴

But there were Jews walking peacefully within the Protest March.

 

Maybe a bit of hyperbole on your part.

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because the officer believed he was about to put himself and others in harms way would be my guess.

 

But you’d have to ask the particular officer who was making on the spot decisions.

Remember to take your hindsight along with you when you do.

Perhaps no hindsight is needed if you watched the vid. What he had to say and what other more senior police officers said to him. 

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

 

 

My guess is because, like in Palestine, they "don't belong here".

 

 

   Jews don't belong in London and Jews  don't  belong in Israel ?

Where do you suggest that Jews go to ?

Should Jews just disappear ?

That was tried before

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But there were Jews walking peacefully within the Protest March.

 

Maybe a bit of hyperbole on your part.

Can you provide a link to that

[Wobblybob]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But there were Jews walking peacefully within the Protest March.

 

Maybe a bit of hyperbole on your part.

Nothing hyperbole on my part, just you making up excuses again. If a man cannot be safe walking near a demonstration the problem lies with the marches and not the peaceful man. Why can't you see this?

[NanLaew]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Please don't chop my posts to give the post a different meaning , thanks .

It is against forum rules and it was a reference to the OP story where a man got removed from the street simply for being Jewish and you deleting some of my post gave it a different meaning .

   Don't do it again 

 

OK, I won't.

 

What's your honest opinion on this event?

[Brickleberry]

There are several Jewish groups on these marches, some are very visible such as the very conservative/traditional Jews that wear the black hats, garb and beards etc. There were 13 Jewish groups marching in London over the weekend.

 

I think this man was trying to cause problems, because there were so many other obviously Jewish people at the march.

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

 

Disgraceful behaviour from the institutionally anti-semitic Met, although they have since made a lame, perfunctory apology; if a Jewish man cannot cross a London street during a pro-Palestinian march, then it is not a pro-Palestinian march, it is an anti-semitic march ….. but anyone that’s been paying attention knew that already.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Can you provide a link to that

Here you go:

 

Max Hammer, 22, is a member of Na’amod, a Jewish group opposing the occupation of Palestinian lands. He is one of the hundreds who have formed a Jewish bloc” – a coalition of Jewish groups that are calling for a ceasefire in Gaza – who attend the marches. He said: “Despite the fact that these marches are often sort of labelled as ‘dangerous for Jews’, one of the things that I found really empowering is to be part of the ‘Jewish bloc’ and see how many Jews are actually out on the streets declaring loudly their solidarity with Palestinians. We are always welcomed very, very heartily.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/13/weve-built-something-extraordinary-six-months-of-uk-pro-palestine-marches

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Disgraceful behaviour from the institutionally anti-semitic Met, although they have since made a lame, perfunctory apology; if a Jewish man cannot cross a London street during a pro-Palestinian march, then it is not a pro-Palestinian march, it is an anti-semitic march ….. but anyone that’s been paying attention knew that already.

More hyperbole.

 

Institutionally antisemitic?

Antisemitic March, I suspect the Jews taking part in the march disagree.

 

Walking into a Protest March is not simply crossing the street.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here you go:

 

Max Hammer, 22, is a member of Na’amod, a Jewish group opposing the occupation of Palestinian lands. He is one of the hundreds who have formed a Jewish bloc” – a coalition of Jewish groups that are calling for a ceasefire in Gaza – who attend the marches. He said: “Despite the fact that these marches are often sort of labelled as ‘dangerous for Jews’, one of the things that I found really empowering is to be part of the ‘Jewish bloc’ and see how many Jews are actually out on the streets declaring loudly their solidarity with Palestinians. We are always welcomed very, very heartily.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/13/weve-built-something-extraordinary-six-months-of-uk-pro-palestine-marches

You said:

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But there were Jews walking peacefully within the Protest March.

 

Maybe a bit of hyperbole on your part.

That link does not back up your claim on that date. 

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

There are several Jewish groups on these marches, some are very visible such as the very conservative/traditional Jews that wear the black hats, garb and beards etc. There were 13 Jewish groups marching in London over the weekend.

 

I think this man was trying to cause problems, because there were so many other obviously Jewish people at the march.

 

I would guess there are openly Muslim groups on anti Hamas or pro Israel marches to, but that's nothing to do with the OP's experience, it is all to do with deflection.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Nothing hyperbole on my part, just you making up excuses again. If a man cannot be safe walking near a demonstration the problem lies with the marches and not the peaceful man. Why can't you see this?

But he is safe.

And the Jews within the Demonstration were safe too.

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

13 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

There are several Jewish groups on these marches, some are very visible such as the very conservative/traditional Jews that wear the black hats, garb and beards etc. There were 13 Jewish groups marching in London over the weekend.

 

I think this man was trying to cause problems, because there were so many other obviously Jewish people at the march.

 

 

   You are not being honest there .

The bottom left hand side photo is from 2020 and  is of 

 

 

"J e w s from the "Neturei Karta" movement participate in a solidarity stand in Hebron with the Palestinian detainee Maher Al-Akhras, who has been on hunger strike in the Israeli occupation prisons for the 87th day.

Neturei karta, or 'the city guards', is a group of j e w s living in Jerusalem who support a Palestinian state and do not recognize "Israel"

 

 

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1912319/neturei-karta-participate-in-parade-supporting-palestinian-prisoner-and-suspected-terrorist-photos.html

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

But he is safe.

And the Jews within the Demonstration were safe too.

 

 

 

He was accused of being in breach of the peace, why were the protestors not also accused of that?

[Wobblybob]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But he is safe.

And the Jews within the Demonstration were safe too.

 

 

 

That is not the point, the Jew was not safe the police threatened to arrest......do Jews have to join these hate marches to feel safe now, you must know that is total nonsense and a poor attempt at deflection!

[Jeff the Chef]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

He was accused of being in breach of the peace, why were the protestors not also accused of that?

 

Why don't you ask them? https://www.met.police.uk/

[metisdead]

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[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Why don't you ask them? https://www.met.police.uk/

Because I'm have a discussion on an internet forum with another member

[NanLaew]

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   Just for clarification :

 

My full post (above) and you just quoted  *the reason why Jews need to be removed* words to give a different context 

 

 

 

 

My apologies.

 

Were the police officers trying to prevent Gideon Falter, the head of the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) from simply being there?

 

My opinion, despite the protest organizers having a permit, is that he has more right to be there than the protesters. If the presence of a single Jew is likely to create an incident, then surely the issue is not with the single Jewish person being present. Maybe there's an issue with the entity that issues these protest permits?

 

There is the 'preventing a possible crime' aspect of the police officer's actions being open to misunderstanding, misinterpretation and manipulation. The media's good at that.

 

For me, it's akin to American law enforcement's idea of "criminal activity" when they observe a single black person, the 'walking while black' as black people call it. But before this war broke out, I think the British police were more inclined to take action on the 'walking while BAME' rather than 'walking while Jewish'.

[NanLaew]

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

He was accused of being in breach of the peace, why were the protestors not also accused of that?

 

The protesters had a permit issued by the authorities.

 

These permits grant the right to peaceful protest and not breach of the peace.

 

That's why the police attend the protests.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, NanLaew said:

 

The protesters had a permit issued by the authorities.

 

These permits grant the right to peaceful protest and not breach of the peace.

 

That's why the police attend the protests.

How does that equate to a Jew walking in London, does he need a permit now otherwise he is liable to be arrested?

[NanLaew]

16 minutes ago, metisdead said:

A post in which the quoted content had been altered and replies contravening our Community Standards have been removed:

 

28. You will not make changes to messages quoted from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. Do not shorten any post in a way that alters the context of the original post. Do not change the formatting of the post you are quoting.

 

I have apologised to @Nick Carter icp the content of whose post I altered.

[Jeff the Chef]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Because I'm have a discussion on an internet forum with another member

 

Fair enough, I can see your English isn't up to much ⬆️⬆️

[NanLaew]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

How does that equate to a Jew walking in London, does he need a permit now otherwise he is liable to be arrested?

 

No, a Jew walking in London does not need a permit to do so and is not liable to be arrested for doing so.

 

However, anyone of any faith who refuses to take advice on personal safety from a police officer attending a protest may be arrested for being an idiot in order to prevent a breach of the peace.

Edited April 20 by NanLaew