Motorcycle Rider Dies in High-Speed Collision

[kwilco]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Picture courtesy of Kachon

 

A motorcycle rider succumbed to fatal injuries after crashing into a parked Toyota Fortuner in Chon Buri, yesterday morning. The fatal incident occurred on the Bypass Road 36 (Krating Lai – Rayong) in the Nong Pla Lai sub-district, Banglamung district. The exact site was the 1+400 km point on the road. 

 

Rescue workers from Sawang Boriboon, along with Banglamung police, rushed to the scene around 9:30 am. They found a destroyed black Yamaha XMAX bike and its rider, Boonchanit Phrachan, dead on the roadside. Phrachan's body had significant limb and neck injuries. His ID revealed that he worked in the e-commerce sector as a website administrator. 

 

The speedometer on the deceased’s motorcycle indicated his speed to be over 160 km per hour, leading the police to believe that Phrachan was moving at a high-speed potentially attempting to overtake another vehicle, unaware of the stationary car on the side of the road.

 

Near the site was a white Toyota Fortuner with its rear end and spare tyre, originally attached to the back of the car, severely damaged. Thawachai Wiseschan, the driver of the car, told the police that he had parked there after a doctor's visit.

 

Further investigation into the incident is ongoing, as the police hope the CCTV footage will reveal the exact circumstances surrounding the accident. Meanwhile, Phrachan's body has been moved to a nearby hospital for funerary preparations.

 

-- 2024-05-06

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It seems the police assessment of this incident falls way short of the standards one would expect from a preoper scientific analysis of the crash. No science just supposition and prejudice.

[tgw]

7 minutes ago, kwilco said:

THat is not a reasoned conclusion.

Assuming the bike was a 400 cc top of the range - it would be hard pushed to get up to 160kph.

What it possible is the electronic speedo or mechanical was affected y the collision. If the wheel of the bike had left the ground during impact it may also have spun up to that speed whilst absorbing energy from the two vehicles.

 

typical top speed of 400cc MC is 170 Kph (110 mph)

[Homburg]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Long straight road, daylight, dry - and still too difficult for some to handle.

Probably was texting on his phone. TIT.  

[johng]

7 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Assuming the bike was a 400 cc top of the range - it would be hard pushed to get up to 160kph.

 

If I had bought a 400cc bike and it couldn't do 160Kph  

A.K.A 100 miles per hour  I'd be very disappointed...considering that a more than 20 year old  150 cc machine can reach 160kph quite easily.

 

Looking at the damage to the Fortuner  the bike was going "quite fast".

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

The speedometer on the deceased’s motorcycle indicated his speed to be over 160 km per hour

Yet the XMax has a published top speed of only 140kph?

[kwilco]

10 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

typical top speed of 400cc MC is 170 Kph (110 mph)

THat is a most facile comment a "one quote wonder" - the actual top speed depends on where you look and of course the conditon of the bike, the weather conditions, the weight of the passenger etc etc - - - as I said it would be pushed to do 160 kph.

And of course you have to h=take into account the calibration of the speedo.

[tgw]

Just now, kwilco said:

THat is a most facile comment a "one quote wonder" - the actual top speed depends on where you look and of course the conditon of the bike, the weather conditions, the weight of the passenger etc etc - - - as I said it would be pushed to do 160 kph.

And of course you have to h=take into account the calibration of the speedo.

 

that's why I said "typical" - I'm sure you can find models that go faster.

[Liverpool Lou]

15 minutes ago, kwilco said:

It seems the police assessment of this incident falls way short of the standards one would expect from a preoper scientific analysis of the crash. No science just supposition and prejudice.

It seems that your assessment of the initial investigation by the police falls way short of anyone who could read and comprehend the whole article...

"Further investigation into the incident is ongoing, as the police hope the CCTV footage will reveal the exact circumstances surrounding the accident". 

[kwilco]

4 minutes ago, johng said:

Looking at the damage to the Fortuner  the bike was going "quite fast"

to assess the damage you can't just look at it.

You have to tke into account that the rear of the car is designed to collapse and crumple to absorb impact. You need to know the mass of th m/c and also the speed of the SUV - I suspect it had stopped suddenly?

THe spare tire looks like a diversion - they are normally stored inside the rear - if it had been a custom job bolted to the rear door it would have had a highly detrimental affect on the impact.

you also need to accurately calculate the kinetic energy stored in the m/c and it is clear the police haven't dome this.

[kwilco]

3 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

that's why I said "typical" - I'm sure you can find models that go faster.

we are talking about a particular m/c in a precise accident not how fast you bike can go.

[newbee2022]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Picture courtesy of Kachon

 

A motorcycle rider succumbed to fatal injuries after crashing into a parked Toyota Fortuner in Chon Buri, yesterday morning. The fatal incident occurred on the Bypass Road 36 (Krating Lai – Rayong) in the Nong Pla Lai sub-district, Banglamung district. The exact site was the 1+400 km point on the road. 

 

Rescue workers from Sawang Boriboon, along with Banglamung police, rushed to the scene around 9:30 am. They found a destroyed black Yamaha XMAX bike and its rider, Boonchanit Phrachan, dead on the roadside. Phrachan's body had significant limb and neck injuries. His ID revealed that he worked in the e-commerce sector as a website administrator. 

 

The speedometer on the deceased’s motorcycle indicated his speed to be over 160 km per hour, leading the police to believe that Phrachan was moving at a high-speed potentially attempting to overtake another vehicle, unaware of the stationary car on the side of the road.

 

Near the site was a white Toyota Fortuner with its rear end and spare tyre, originally attached to the back of the car, severely damaged. Thawachai Wiseschan, the driver of the car, told the police that he had parked there after a doctor's visit.

 

Further investigation into the incident is ongoing, as the police hope the CCTV footage will reveal the exact circumstances surrounding the accident. Meanwhile, Phrachan's body has been moved to a nearby hospital for funerary preparations.

 

-- 2024-05-06

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Maybe the mobile was more important than the road?🙏

[kwilco]

6 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Maybe the mobile was more important than the road?🙏

now as ever just guessing - what is the point? What is needed is a police force who can hand in a comprehensive crash report and not just gossip to the media.

If Thailand is to improve road safety they need to have a comprehensive set of analyses and statistics to work from.

Palying childish guessing games based on prejudice doesn't help, it actually harms any progress towards safer roads.

It also shows what incredibly bad drivers the commentators themselves are.

Edited May 6 by kwilco

[kwilco]

15 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It seems that your assessment of the initial investigation by the police falls way short of anyone who could read and comprehend the whole article...

"Further investigation into the incident is ongoing, as the police hope the CCTV footage will reveal the exact circumstances surrounding the accident". 

I think you need to get up to speed on police crash reports - the fact tet they are already guessing is not good - but in Thailand the analysis of RTIs is basically back in the stone-age.

Have you ever seen the statistics? Comparethem to countries with low road deaths and injuries - every minute detail is recorded and analysed - Thailand gets nowhere near this.

 

If fyou want to get an idea how it should be done - check out this site...

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/reported-road-accidents-vehicles-and-casualties-tables-for-great-britain#all-collision-casualty-and-vehicle-tables-excel-format

 

Edited May 6 by kwilco

[PETERTHEEATER]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

.......attempting to overtake another vehicle, unaware of the stationary car on the side of the road........

No. He appears to have been riding in the left hand lane on the shoulder where the Thai police say all motorcyclists should be. 😋

[eisfeld]

4 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

A good investigator could measure the tire marks left by the motorcycle attempting to stop quickly at 9:30 in the morning traveling at a very high rate of speed in the emergency stop lane.

 

Oh, wait...........no skid marks?

 

 

ABS is a thing on these scooters these days in Thailand

[kwilco]

we need to completely change the way we look at ETIs...

People fixate of apportioning blame but this is unhelpful and actually an archaic approach.

Here are a couple of reasons why focusing on “blame” isn't helpful when analysing road crashes:

The main goal after a crash should be preventing future ones. Pinpointing one person as entirely to blame doesn't address the bigger picture: were there road design issues, unclear signage, distracted driving habits, or mechanical failures that contributed? By looking at all contributing factors, we can develop better safety measures to prevent similar crashes.

Most people (including the Thai authorities) grossly underestimate the complexity of crashes: Rarely are crashes caused by a single action. There's often a chain of events or contributing factors. (BTW - these are usually missed by videos). Focusing on blame can overshadow these complexities and make it harder to identify ways to prevent future accidents.

Instead of the blame game, it is recommended that a data-driven approach that analyses all contributing factors to understand the "why" behind the crash. This can lead to improvements in road design, driver education, and vehicle safety features. Thailand simply doesn’t achieve this at all.

[AnotherOneHere]

4 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

A good investigator could measure the tire marks left by the motorcycle attempting to stop quickly at 9:30 in the morning traveling at a very high rate of speed in the emergency stop lane.

 

Oh, wait...........no skid marks?

 

 

"Standard XMAX 300 safety features include ABS and traction control" ... so no skid marks.

[alesaldana]

6 hours ago, JoePai said:

May I ask how you knew the rider did not have "proper knowledge of driving and no skills" - did you know him personally ? 

It is not necessary to know that a person doesn't have “proper knowledge of driving” when doing 160 km/h on a scooter, which is not designed to do so.

[kwilco]

4 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

Oh, wait...........no skid marks?

 

Measuring skid marks is from really old crash analysis - most vehicles these days  - including the XMAX - have ABS - so the absence of skid marks is very common - they only occur these days after the vehicle has been damaged or completely changed position in relation to travel.

THis crash was - pretty straight but  on the hard shoulder and one has to presume the SUV was stationary and question why both vehicles were there.

[alesaldana]

33 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Yet the XMax has a published top speed of only 140kph?

Yes, from the factory, but with all the crazy modifications that many Thais do to them, beginning with removing the rearview mirrors 😤😤

[SHA 2 BKK]

Did he not have an amulet?  Maybe he had one of them hokey ones from the Monk who poured acid on the kids hands to test his the other day???
 

Anyway a family in grief and them

that are left to pick up the pieces RIP. 

[eisfeld]

13 minutes ago, alesaldana said:

It is not necessary to know that a person doesn't have “proper knowledge of driving” when doing 160 km/h on a scooter, which is not designed to do so.

 

As mentioned multiple times in the thread already it's highly unlikely that the scooter was indeed going at 160 km/h. And even if, a vehicle that can reach these speeds on a flat road is indeed designed to do so because when designing the vehicle the have to obviously plan for all speeds that it is capable of. But again, it's a moot point because the claim of knowing its speed just because of a stuck speedometer is ridicolous.

[shy coconut]

6 hours ago, JoePai said:

May I ask how you knew the rider did not have "proper knowledge of driving and no skills" - did you know him personally ? 

He drove his bike at high speed into the back of a stationary vehicle might be a clue.

[newbee2022]

38 minutes ago, kwilco said:

now as ever just guessing - what is the point? What is needed is a police force who can hand in a comprehensive crash report and not just gossip to the media.

If Thailand is to improve road safety they need to have a comprehensive set of analyses and statistics to work from.

Palying childish guessing games based on prejudice doesn't help, it actually harms any progress towards safer roads.

It also shows what incredibly bad drivers the commentators themselves are.

Really?😳

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

THat is not a reasoned conclusion.

Assuming the bike was a 400 cc top of the range - it would be hard pushed to get up to 160kph.

What it possible is the electronic speedo or mechanical was affected y the collision. If the wheel of the bike had left the ground during impact it may also have spun up to that speed whilst absorbing energy from the two vehicles.

 

Yamaha sold the Xmax 400 here ?

I thought the biggest engine here was 300.

Edited May 6 by Ralf001

[richard_smith237]

52 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Have you ever seen the statistics? Comparethem to countries with low road deaths and injuries - every minute detail is recorded and analysed - Thailand gets nowhere near this.

 

Completely agree.

 

56 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Palying childish guessing games based on prejudice doesn't help, it actually harms any progress towards safer roads.

It also shows what incredibly bad drivers the commentators themselves are.

 

Disagree...   its easy to understand how and why a lot of accidents occur in Thailand - some of them occur through simply plain idiocy - 

riding a bike on a highway at 160kmh (or their about) is a clear factor, as is moving across to the near (left) side median to undertake. 

 

Its quite easy to identify a lot of the issues, from poor road layout, poor road markings, ineffective policing, and terrible road safety education. 

 

In this case, poor rider education and a lack of defensive riding behavior is surely a key root cause which factored into the riders demise. 

 

Anyone can easily draw this conclusion and it does not make 'us' who so readily draw such a conclusion bad drivers. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kwilco]

14 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Yamaha sold the Xmax 400 here ?

I thought the biggest engine here was 300.

No idea - I was just looking to the max speed for and exaple - whichever way you look at it, it was unlikely that the bike was travelling at 160kph.

[kwilco]

24 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Really?😳

Yes!

[Liverpool Lou]

56 minutes ago, kwilco said:

I think you need to get up to speed on police crash reports - the fact tet they are already guessing is not good - but in Thailand the analysis of RTIs is basically back in the stone-age.

I think that you need to get up to speed on the fact that in all accident investigations, everywhere, the initial suspicions of the cause are always guesses, based on what can be seen; that is not peculiar to Thailand.

 

"...in Thailand the analysis of RTIs is basically back in the stone-age".

You, not having any hands-on experience of accident investigation in Thailand, are basing that "basically stone age" assertion on what, exactly?   

[kwilco]

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

ts easy to understand how and why a lot of accidents occur in Thailand

QED - absolutely not and that is the attitude that prevents progress.

 

Road safety is a public health issue.

the concept of "idiot" or "bad driver" is just plain stupid.

Homun behaviour is pretty much constant the world over - what a good road safety plicyty does is protect people from the vagaries of driving

Some countries are particularly good at doing this - the unfortunate side effect is that drivers from those countries mistakenly thing they should take the credit - they aren't good drivers, they are just proeteted by a good road safety policy and system.

Edited May 6 by kwilco