Judge Denies Trump's Mistrial Request Over Stormy Daniels Testimony

[Danderman123]

NBC reported that Trump carried his online ranting into Manhattan Criminal Court Tuesday morning, telling reporters as he arrived, “signing a NDA is not a crime.” NBC noted this was an unusual statement for Trump to make, as he previously claimed no awareness of a non-disclosure agreement with Stormy Daniels.

 

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[Roo Island]

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Source? 

Google

[cdnvic]

Have cleaned the topic up somewhat and tidied up the worst of the personal attacks. Hopefully we can return to more civil conversation now.

[Skipalongcassidy]

On 5/8/2024 at 7:39 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

So Daniels gives sworn testimony on the sexual encounter that Defendant Trump denied took place and that the Prosecution allege was the facts that the Defendant conspired to hide from voters.

The Defense are given the opportunity to cross examine and of course Defendant Trump can himself take the stand.

 

What the Defense choose to do is put on a performance for their client.

 

 

There's this also...  Davis urged Cohen to "own his lying" and his "sins" while answering questions.

[Hawaiian]

Haven't heard from the former CIA case worker for a while.  I wonder if his former employer has anything to do with his silence?

[Danderman123]

We still don't know the judge's jury instructions, but some possible jury decisions are:

 

Convict on all felony charges

 

Convict on all charges, as misdemeanors 

 

Convict on one felony or misdemeanor 

 

Acquit

 

No decision 

 

IMHO, it's possible that conviction on just one charge is very possible.

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

We still don't know the judge's jury instructions, but some possible jury decisions are:

 

Convict on all felony charges

 

Convict on all charges, as misdemeanors 

 

Convict on one felony or misdemeanor 

 

Acquit

 

No decision 

 

IMHO, it's possible that conviction on just one charge is very possible.

I think the judges jury instructions will be number one. 

 

[jerrymahoney]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

We still don't know the judge's jury instructions, but some possible jury decisions are:

 

Convict on all felony charges

 

Convict on all charges, as misdemeanors 

 

Convict on one felony or misdemeanor 

 

Acquit

 

No decision 

 

IMHO, it's possible that conviction on just one charge is very possible.

As long as you have entered the realm of the possible:

 

Motion for Directed Verdict/Dismissal

At the conclusion of the plaintiff's or government's evidence, the lawyer will announce that the plaintiff or government rests. Then, when the jury leaves the courtroom, the defendant's lawyer in a civil case has the option of making a motion for a directed verdict, arguing that his or her client's liability has not been proven by a preponderance of the evidence. In a criminal trial, the defendant's lawyer can ask for a motion to dismiss the charges, arguing that the government has failed to prove its case.

 

In effect, in both kinds of cases, the lawyer asks the judge to direct a verdict for the defendant. The judge will either grant or deny the motion. If it is granted, the case is over and the defendant wins. If the motion is denied, as it usually is, the defense is given the opportunity to present its evidence.

 

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/resources/law_related_education_network/how_courts_work/motiondismiss/

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I think the judges jury instructions will be number one. 

 

If so, that could the basis for an appeal.

 

If I were a juror in this case, I would consider a misdemeanor conviction, or conviction on a single charge, if allowed by the judge.

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

If so, that could the basis for an appeal.

 

If I were a juror in this case, I would consider a misdemeanor conviction, or conviction on a single charge, if allowed by the judge.

An appeal is meaningless, it would be after the election. 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

An appeal is meaningless, it would be after the election. 

A conviction is meaningless, any prison sentence would be appealed for the rest of Trump's life.

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

A conviction is meaningless, any prison sentence would be appealed for the rest of Trump's life.

The only thing the judge, the prosecutor and the DOJ care about is the election. 

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The only thing the judge, the prosecutor and the DOJ care about is the election. 

They all know that Trump can appeal the case has indefinitely.

 

DOJ is not involved in the case.

[Yellowtail]

26 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

They all know that Trump can appeal the case has indefinitely.

Only fools believe  Trump (or anyone) can appeal indefinitely. 

26 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

DOJ is not involved in the case.

Right

[Danderman123]

Trump's defense is trying to confuse jurors about the facts of the case.

 

The Prosecution will easily eliminate any remaining doubt that the jurors may have.

[Danderman123]

Reportedly, the Secret Service and NY City officials have conferred over procedures should Trump be sentenced to jail.

[Danderman123]

Observers in the courtroom claim that one juror is acting strangely, and may be   a candidate for a holdout juror.

 

Also - and this is new - the National Enquirer payment to Karen McDougal was an illegal campaign contribution, yet another underlying crime.

[Danderman123]

The Defense's closing argument was weak and easily rebutted by the Prosecution. 

 

The prosecutor handling the close is a pro, and knows what he is doing. Even though it's a long close,  the jury seems to be hanging in there.

 

The jury will probably deliberate through Friday, and there is a small chance of a single holdout juror. Otherwise, Trump will be convicted.

[jerrymahoney]

Joshua Steinglass is now describing evidence from February 2018, and he is competing not only with the defense but with jurors' flagging attention spans as the clock moves toward 6:30. One juror just rubbed his eyes, another’s are heavily lidded. Four jurors in the back row are still paying close attention, but the signs of fatigue are definitely becoming more visible.

 

 Some are still looking at Steinglass, but several are fidgeting, tilting their heads and glancing around, signs that a jury is being pushed to its limit.

 

Before they (jury) returned, the judge told the prosecutor that he needed to wrap up — at least for the day — by 8 p.m.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/28/nyregion/trump-trial-closing-arguments

 

[Danderman123]

The Biden campaign announced a press conference at the courthouse today. Rather than Biden or Harris speaking, they sent Robert DeNiro.

[Danderman123]

And it's over for the night.

 

Jury deliberations tomorrow, court starts at 10 am EDT.

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Even though it's a long close,  the jury seems to be hanging in there.

That's OK. Even though you and the NY Times reporters were in the same courtroom, you still can see it differently.

[earlinclaifornia]

42 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The Biden campaign announced a press conference at the courthouse today. Rather than Biden or Harris speaking, they sent Robert DeNiro.

De Niro spoke, I support him.

The actor Robert De Niro, speaking on behalf of the Biden campaign outside the Manhattan courthouse where Trump’s trial is being held, declared in an off-script moment that Trump should go to jail.

[jerrymahoney]

The closing argument from Steinglass, which lasted more than five hours, somewhat undermines the idea this is a simple case. It’s a simple story, but not a simple legal case.

 

Maggie Haberman NY Times

 

 

[impulse]

54 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

De Niro spoke, I support him.

The actor Robert De Niro, speaking on behalf of the Biden campaign outside the Manhattan courthouse where Trump’s trial is being held, declared in an off-script moment that Trump should go to jail.

 

That's a "deplorables" moment.  Holding a campaign rally outside the court proves to million of voters that it's a political prosecution.

 

 

Edit:  I align myself more with Dennis Quaid than with De Niro when it comes to Trump:

 

“He may be an a-hole, but he’s my a-hole!”

 

He sounds like a sane person, unlike De Niro who sounds like he's got a bad case of TDS.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/05/28/dennis-quaid-donald-trump-piers-morgan-uncensored-vote-<deleted>-politics/

 

[LosLobo]

44 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

That's a "deplorables" moment.  Holding a campaign rally outside the court proves to million of voters that it's a political prosecution.

 

And Donald Trump campaigning every trial day inside the court room foyer?

Is that also a "deplorables" moment?

[G_Money]

Democrats in full blown freak out!

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6353842538112

[impulse]

56 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

And Donald Trump campaigning every trial day inside the court room foyer?

Is that also a "deplorables" moment?

 

Is he being accused of persecuting his political opponent? 

 

Millions of voters are snapping to the fact that this is just a politically driven prosecution.  Now they have one more data point, proving it is political.

 

Just like the "deplorables" moment for Hillary, it probably feels good to see De Niro out there ragging on The Donald.  But just like the deplorables fiasco, this is going to have unintended consequences.

 

The best move for Team Biden would have been to stay as far away from the courthouse as they could, to convey the illusion that they had nothing to do with prosecuting a crime.  Instead, they proved it's about politics.  Political idiots.  Like Hillary.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Is he being accused of persecuting his political opponent? 

 

Millions of voters are snapping to the fact that this is just a politically driven prosecution.  Now they have one more data point, proving it is political.

 

Just like the "deplorables" moment for Hillary, it probably feels good to see De Niro out there ragging on The Donald.  But just like the deplorables fiasco, this is going to have unintended consequences.

 

The best move for Team Biden would have been to stay as far away from the courthouse as they could, to convey the illusion that they had nothing to do with prosecuting a crime.  Instead, they proved it's about politics.  Political idiots.  Like Hillary.

 

Biden is nowhere near the court.

 

 

The same cannot be said of Trump, though he did spend a lot of other people’s money to try to avoid being required to be present.

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

That's a "deplorables" moment.  Holding a campaign rally outside the court proves to million of voters that it's a political prosecution.

 

 

Edit:  I align myself more with Dennis Quaid than with De Niro when it comes to Trump:

 

“He may be an a-hole, but he’s my a-hole!”

 

He sounds like a sane person, unlike De Niro who sounds like he's got a bad case of TDS.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/05/28/dennis-quaid-donald-trump-piers-morgan-uncensored-vote-<deleted>-politics/

 

De Niro is just a silly old man trying to stay relevant.