Thai Medics Warn of Covid Surge with 11 New Deaths

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

how do you know you will have to stay in the hospital if you get covid ? for that matter unless you test yourself every single day how can you be sure you don't have covid now. 

 

keep in mind a large portion of people who get covid don't show any symptoms.

 

Haven't had a sick day since the start of the pandemic... 

 

I feel both lucky and fortunate, and satisfied I've done everything I could reasonably do to stay out of the hospital or worse.

 

[stoner]

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Haven't had a sick day since the start of the pandemic...

 

deflection. 

 

how do you know you haven't had covid already ? or right now ? 

 

are you testing yourself every morning ? if not you have no idea and that is fact. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Since the start of the pandemic, Thailand has officially had 4.77 million COVID hospitalizations and 34,625 COVID deaths.

 

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=main

 

I can say with 100% certainty that I've never been a member of either of those groups.

 

[stoner]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I can say with 100% certainty that I've never been a member of either of those groups.

 

however you cannot say with 100 percent certainty that you have never had covid. 

[ikke1959]

Research according to the Dutch News showed that air pollution had a great influence on Covid and probably in teh Netherlands there were 400 deaths because of this combination of airpollution and Covid... Here the same in Thailand???

[rattlesnake]

29 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The thing about studies into this is and has been from the beginning who pays for them.

 

Yep.

[HighPriority]

43 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The thing about studies into this is and has been from the beginning who pays for them.

Yes, you only have to look at the thousands of studies funded by Kennedy and his anti vaxx cronies...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

38 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The thing about studies into this is and has been from the beginning who pays for them.

 

Which in the case of the TWO DOZEN studies that were the subject of the cited article reviewing how vaccination reduces the risk of Long COVID, you have absolutely no idea....

 

But you can continue to talk about it anyway to try to dismiss the findings in the absence of any actual knowledge on the specific studies.

 

[dinsdale]

31 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic crisis on turnover intention among nurses in emergency departments in Thailand: a cross sectional study

 

2023 Sep 27

 

During the COVID-19 pandemic in Thailand, a large volume of COVID-19 patients were referred to hospital emergency departments (EDs). This increased job demand and job strain among ED nurses, resulting in a high risk of intention to leave their organization.

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This cross-sectional study investigated 322 ED nurses.

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During COVID-19 pandemic crisis, 72.8% of ED nurses in dark-red zone areas desired to leave their organization. The factors of motivation, exhaustion, and cognitive impairment positively influenced turnover intention among ED nurses in dark-red zone areas. Low availability of organizational resources was associated with an increase in the turnover intention rate. Maladaptive regulation, exhaustion, and cognitive impairment positively influenced turnover intention among ED nurses in non-red zone areas.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10523753/

 

AND

 

Impact of the COVID-19 Pandemic on the Hospital and Outpatient Clinician Workforce:

May 3, 2022

 

The COVID-19 pandemic has put extreme stress on the health care workforce in the United States, leading to workforce shortages as well as increased health care worker burnout, exhaustion, and trauma. These pandemic-related challenges have taken place in a context of significant pre-existing workforce shortages and maldistribution, as well as in a workforce where burnout, stress, and mental health problems were already significant problems.

 

https://aspe.hhs.gov/reports/covid-19-health-care-workforce

 

And globally:

 

Health and Care Worker Deaths during COVID-19

 

20 October 2021

 

WHO estimates that between 80 000 and 180 000 health and care workers could have died from COVID-19 in the period between January 2020 to May 2021, converging to a medium scenario of 115 500 deaths¹.

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-10-2021-health-and-care-worker-deaths-during-covid-19

 

It's SAD from some of the comments posted in this thread to see how people seem to forget, or try to forget, what the reality of things was.

 

 

Washington Post

Mar 27, 2020

People all around the world, including Italy, Spain and Turkey, are gathering on their balconies to applaud the health-care workers on the front lines of the fight against the coronavirus.

 

 

Push, push , push the narrative. 2020 LOL. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Push, push , push the narrative. 2020 LOL. 

Perhaps you should bypass these Covid threads, we all know where you are coming from, sadly...

[Amethyst]

Several off-topic and trolling posts have been removed along with ensuing replies.

 

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Perhaps you should bypass these Covid threads, we all know where you are coming from, sadly...

Yep I'm coming from a position of not blindly following what big pharma, the CDC, governments, WHO and the access media tells me to believe. I'm glad I have this ability and sad that so many don't. The OP is alarmist nonsense that gets rolled out every now and again.

[transam]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Yep I'm coming from a position of not blindly following what big pharma, the CDC, governments, WHO and the access media tells me to believe. I'm glad I have this ability and sad that so many don't.

That's all you are concerned about, companies making money, well aren't all companies there to make money, or are you an ageing communist.....😂

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

36 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Push, push , push the narrative. 2020 LOL. 

 

The narrative is to recognize that now in 2024 when the Thai MoPH starts talking about (per the OP):

 

"The high number of cases is also taking a toll on healthcare workers who are feeling overwhelmed by the demands."

 

...that they're talking about a real thing that already has been well documented here in Thailand and around the world during the course of the pandemic, as documented by my earlier posts here and cited sources on that subject.

 

 

 

[stoner]

21 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"The high number of cases is also taking a toll on healthcare workers who are feeling overwhelmed by the demands."

 

so covid cases are overwhelming them now in 2024 ? i would argue that there are far more people in hospital for pollution related issues than covid.

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

so covid cases are overwhelming them now in 2024 ? i would argue that there are far more people in hospital for pollution related issues than covid.

Common sense. Stop it.

[HighPriority]

8 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

so covid cases are overwhelming them now in 2024 ? i would argue that there are far more people in hospital for pollution related issues than covid.

I don’t believe one persons adverse reaction to “pollution” is contagious and potentially life threatening to health workers, but I’m not a heath professional like yourself… 

[dinsdale]

42 minutes ago, transam said:

That's all you are concerned about, companies making money, well aren't all companies there to make money, or are you an ageing communist.....😂

Not all companies have governments and mass media advertising their product and not only advertising but demonising those who don't want the product and even forcing people to take the product. If anything this sounds more along communist or authoritarian lines.

[stoner]

9 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

I don’t believe one persons adverse reaction to “pollution” is contagious and potentially life threatening to health workers, but I’m not a heath professional like yourself… 

 

pollution kills more people every year than covid ever did. year after year after year after year after year.

 

covid is a nothing burger now. 

[dinsdale]

17 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

I don’t believe one persons adverse reaction to “pollution” is contagious and potentially life threatening to health workers, but I’m not a heath professional like yourself… 

 

27 minutes ago, stoner said:

so covid cases are overwhelming them now in 2024 ? i would argue that there are far more people in hospital for pollution related issues than covid.

You have taken what @stoner posted completely out of context. Indeed it's a total misrepresentation.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I guess it's never occurred to some posters here that the peak of Thailand's pollution season this spring (and all the medical problems that creates) happens to overlap in part with the current seasonal peak of COVID illnesses...

 

And both issues together end up landing in the laps of Thailand's hospitals and emergency rooms, each adding to the larger workload burdens they face.

 

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I guess it's never occurred to some posters here that the peak of Thailand's pollution season this spring (and all the medical problems that creates) happens to overlap in part with the current seasonal peak of COVID illnesses...

 

And both issues together end up landing in the laps of Thailand's hospitals and emergency rooms, each adding to the larger workload burdens they face.

 

Thailand: 10 million sought treatment for pollution-related illnesses in 2023

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68487230

 

Rather more than covid I reckon. p.s. no such thing as spring in the tropics.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Thanks for helping to reinforce my prior point, as stated by MoPH, that the current COVID surge is creating problems for an already overburdened pubic health operation.

 

But it goes beyond that, as there's been clear and conclusive research that living in areas with poor air quality, such as is the case seasonally in Thailand, makes people MORE susceptible to health problems caused by COVID.  So the two different situations together make things worse!

 

Air pollution exposure linked to more severe COVID-19 outcomes

May 25, 2022

 

Exposure to common air pollutants were associated with more severe outcomes after SARS-CoV-2 infection, according to findings published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal.

 

“Apart from showing that the environment, and especially air pollution, may play a role in contributing to COVID-19 severity during the COVID-19 pandemic, this study enforces the idea that air pollution is pervasive and a silent killer,” Hong Chen, PhD, an adjunct professor in the School of Epidemiology and Public Health at the University of Ottawa in Canada, told Healio. “The association of air pollution and COVID-19 severity reflects the tip of the iceberg of the wide-ranging impacts of air pollution on human health.”

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Overall, the findings indicate that long-term exposure to PM_2.5 and O₃ was associated with an elevated risk for COVID-19–related hospital admissions; exposure to O₃ was also associated with an elevated risk for death due to COVID-19.

 

https://www.healio.com/news/primary-care/20220525/air-pollution-exposure-linked-to-more-severe-covid19-outcomes

 

AND

 

Air pollution exposure linked to severe COVID-19 outcomes

May 25, 2023

 

Air pollution exposure is associated with a higher risk of experiencing severe outcomes from COVID-19 infections, including intensive care unit (ICU) admissions and death, according to new evidence in Nature Communications from the Barcelona Institute for Global Health (ISGlobal).

 

While the negative effects of long-term exposure to ambient air pollution on chronic respiratory diseases has long been supported by scientific research, there is less evidence surrounding air pollution exposure and outcomes from reparatory infections.

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Overall, higher annual average exposure to particle matter and nitrogen dioxide was associated with a greater risk (hazard) of COVID-19–related events. An increase in exposure to particle matter of 3.2 µg/m³ was associated with a 25% increase in hospital admissions (hazard ratio [HR], 1.25, 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.22 to 1.29). Exposure was also associated with an increased risk of ICU admission (HR 1.16; 95% CI, 1.09 to1.24), and death (HR 1.13; 95% CI, 1.07 to 1.19).

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/air-pollution-exposure-linked-severe-covid-19-outcomes

 

[stoner]

31 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I guess it's never occurred to some posters here that the peak of Thailand's pollution season this spring (and all the medical problems that creates) happens to overlap in part with the current seasonal peak of COVID illnesses...

 

And both issues together end up landing in the laps of Thailand's hospitals and emergency rooms, each adding to the larger workload burdens they face.

 

 

 

deflection again. 

 

here is a wild idea. hospitals hire more staff and pay them better as incentive to work. please now argue that. 

 

complaining about workloads and burdens now is pathetic. especially after over 4 years of covid. those in power have all the resources necessary to make the burden much less. they don't though. they continue to make millions and billions all whilst paying staff peanuts to be on the front line. 

 

all of these issues could be easily solved. 

[rattlesnake]

Friendly reminder from November 2021:

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/11/1106792

 

Given the vast majority of the world has believed this principle and complied accordingly, surely there is no reason for concern anymore? Or were we not told the truth?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

29 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Friendly reminder from November 2021:

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/11/1106792

 

Given the vast majority of the world has believed this principle and complied accordingly, surely there is no reason for concern anymore? Or were we not told the truth?

 

 

Sounds right to me:

 

COVID vaccines saved 20 million lives in first year, study says

Jun 24, 2022

 

Nearly 20 million lives were saved by COVID-19 vaccines during their first year, but even more deaths could have been prevented if international targets for the shots had been reached, researchers reported Thursday.

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The researchers used data from 185 countries to estimate that vaccines prevented 4.2 million COVID-19 deaths in India, 1.9 million in the United States, 1 million in Brazil, 631,000 in France and 507,000 in the United Kingdom.

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Another modeling group used a different approach to estimate that 16.3 million COVID-19 deaths were averted by vaccines. That work, by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle, has not been published.

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/covid-vaccines-saved-20-million-lives-in-first-year-study-says

 

Vaccine Confidence After COVID-19

October 20, 2023

 

An interview with Ali Mokdad on how the pandemic affected trust in vaccines

 

Think Global Health spoke with Dr. Ali Mokdad, chief strategy officer for population health at the University of Washington and professor of health metrics sciences at IHME, about their findings. 

 

"From a scientific standpoint, the vaccine rollout was done by the books and was safe. There are articles about mRNA and its potential for vaccines and medications from way before I was born, and I’m an old dude with white hair. So this is not a new technology. But it was adapted to provide the vaccine, and two physicians just received a Nobel Prize for that work. We didn’t do a good job of explaining to the public, though, that this has been going on for a long time.  

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If we hadn’t developed a COVID-19 vaccine, we’d have lost hundreds of millions of people. It saved a lot of lives. Unfortunately, it wasn’t portrayed as having done so."

 

https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/vaccine-confidence-after-covid-19

 

 

WHO chief declares end to COVID-19 as a global health emergency

 

5 May 2023

 

The head of the UN World Health Organization (WHO) has declared “with great hope” an end to COVID-19 as a public health emergency, stressing that it does not mean the disease is no longer a global threat.

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He said the virus – first made a public health emergency of international concern by the WHO chief on 30 January, 2020 - was here to stay: “It is still killing and it is still changing. The risk remains of new variants emerging that cause new surges in cases and deaths.”

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For over 12 months, the pandemic “has been on a downward trend”, he said, with immunity increasing due to the highly effective vaccines developed in record time to fight the disease, and infections. Death rates have decreased and the pressure on once overwhelmed health systems, has eased.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/05/1136367

 

[Puccini]

13 hours ago, milesinnz said:

I think there should be free choice to vaccinate or not...

 

Hasn't it always been free choice to get vaccinated or not?

[dinsdale]

38 minutes ago, Puccini said:

 

Hasn't it always been free choice to get vaccinated or not?

As long as you didn't mind losing your job for some. Proof of vaccination to fly. Demonisation if your weren't getting vaccinated. I guess it's sort of freedom of choice.

[HighPriority]

8 hours ago, stoner said:

 

 

 

covid is a nothing burger now. 

And THAT is the problem I and others, have with people like you.

Most of you accept that the virus mutates and even accept that the different mutations have slightly different symptoms and transmission ability but seem to have convinced yourself that it can never harm you 🤦🏼‍♂️

A couple of key mutations might just flip your nothing burger and make it very interesting for you and the rest of us to chew…

 

 

[stoner]

1 hour ago, HighPriority said:

And THAT is the problem I and others, have with people like you.

Most of you accept that the virus mutates and even accept that the different mutations have slightly different symptoms and transmission ability but seem to have convinced yourself that it can never harm you 🤦🏼‍♂️

A couple of key mutations might just flip your nothing burger and make it very interesting for you and the rest of us to chew…

 

 

 

i have never said it cannot harm me. my main point that i am always going on is that it is nothing compared to what it was before. then when compared to so many other things that can kill you. it really is a nothing burger now. 

 

yes i know people are getting sick. being admitted to hospital. dying. they are also doing that from so many other things in greater numbers now.

 

why no lockdowns or mask mandate in thailand for the ongoing and only getting worse pm2.5 issue ? a far greater threat than covid and has killed so many more than covid ever will.