Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[tgw]

10 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I meant in the future plans. You know very well NATO was going to do that.

 

I do know very well that NATO isn't going to do that at all.

Anyway, Finland is geographically as well suited for that.
But neither NATO nor the USA have any interest to station nukes in Ukraine, Finland, Sweden or Georgia.

What would be the point ? US Nukes in Turkey and Germany are just a few minutes away from Moscow anyway. The US has a strategic interest in having nukes in Europe, yes. But the interest is continental, they don't need to have them in Eastern Europe, and the US already has nukes in Turkey and Germany, in addition to French and UK nukes.
You are just babbling nonsense the whole day long.

Edited May 24 by tgw

[Mavideol]

first he met Xi now the Belarus dictator, pretty much the same visits before invading Ukraine, wonder what he's up to, some no good stuff

 

Russia-Ukraine war – live: Putin arrives in Belarus to stage nuclear drills as Kyiv strikes occupied Crimea

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-latest-putin-035046932.html

 

 

[Mavideol]

nothing new, double post, but thought posting just to refresh some who suffer from short term memory loss

 

Lethal equipment flown from China to Russia for use in Ukraine, says Shapps

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/lethal-equipment-flown-china-russia-095918429.html

 

Edited May 24 by Mavideol

[ballpoint]

So far only Reuters are claiming this in the last few hours, and other agencies have got the story from them.  Somehow, I don't think they'll take his offer, even if it is confirmed.

 

"Vladimir Putin is ready to halt the war in Ukraine with a ceasefire that recognises the current battlefield lines, four Russian sources have told the Reuters news agency...

...according to two of the sources who spoke to Reuters, Mr Putin thinks recent gains in the war are enough to sell a victory to the Russian people. "

 

The sources also claim that Russia could carry on the war if they wanted to, but that would involve another mobilisation, which Putin doesn't favour.  So all would be forgiven and forgotten, and they'll be friends again?  I have a bridge to Crimea for sale to anyone who believes that.

 

Vladimir Putin ready to 'freeze' war in Ukraine with ceasefire recognising recent Russian gains, sources say | World News | Sky News

 

And straight from the Reuters mouth here, including this summary:

 

Exclusive: Putin wants Ukraine ceasefire on current frontlines | Reuters

 

 

Edited May 24 by ballpoint

[Danderman123]

The weapon missing from the Ukrainian arsenal is something that can detect and destroy MANPADs in the front lines. Russians have loads of those that can take out any nearby aircraft, which deter Ukraine from using aircraft near the front lines.

 

The long range Russian anti-aircraft assets are being taken out, but the short range portable systems need to be taken out. To the point where using a MANPAD is a death sentence.

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, ballpoint said:

So far only Reuters are claiming this in the last few hours, and other agencies have got the story from them.  Somehow, I don't think they'll take his offer, even if it is confirmed.

 

"Vladimir Putin is ready to halt the war in Ukraine with a ceasefire that recognises the current battlefield lines, four Russian sources have told the Reuters news agency...

...according to two of the sources who spoke to Reuters, Mr Putin thinks recent gains in the war are enough to sell a victory to the Russian people. "

 

The sources also claim that Russia could carry on the war if they wanted to, but that would involve another mobilisation, which Putin doesn't favour.  So all would be forgiven and forgotten, and they'll be friends again?  I have a bridge to Crimea for sale to anyone who believes that.

 

Vladimir Putin ready to 'freeze' war in Ukraine with ceasefire recognising recent Russian gains, sources say | World News | Sky News

 

And straight from the Reuters mouth here, including this summary:

 

Exclusive: Putin wants Ukraine ceasefire on current frontlines | Reuters

 

 

The Ukrainians have no desire to give Putin time to reload.

[Danderman123]

It's interesting to see that Russian S-400 anti-aircraft systems are defenseless against ATACMS missiles.

 

The more that Ukraine advances towards Russia, the more Russian infrastructure can be destroyed.

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

The weapon missing from the Ukrainian arsenal is something that can detect and destroy MANPADs in the front lines. Russians have loads of those that can take out any nearby aircraft, which deter Ukraine from using aircraft near the front lines.

 

The long range Russian anti-aircraft assets are being taken out, but the short range portable systems need to be taken out. To the point where using a MANPAD is a death sentence.

 

nothing of the sort exists.

BUT

Ukrainians don't need to fly close to the front lines to tear Ruzzians apart.

 

Remember the failed GLSDB ? they were planned to utilize the US's huge stock of aging dumb bombs by mounting them on a rocket that could be launched from GMLRS launchers. But SAAB and BOEING screwed up. I think I already know who of the two screwed up, oh well.

Anyway, that still leaves the US with thousands of ageing 250kg and 500kg ordinance nearing or exceeding its expiry date with a urgent need for disposal above Ruzzian lines.

 

These bombs won't be dropped from above because of AD and manpads. The Ruzzians have been dropping glide bombs for months from 50+ Km away from the front lines.

Guess whose turn it is to do the same when Ukrainian air defense is allowed to shoot into Ruzzian airspace and the F-16 arrive ? I bet some factories in the US are now busy gluing some little angel wings to those ugly dumb little 250kg and 500kg larvae to transform them into magnificent JDAMs.

 

But maybe the GLSDB will also make its return to the battlefield, once enough Ruzzian electromagnetic jammers are taken out.

Edited May 24 by tgw

[rabas]

Multiple Ukrainian drones hit the Voronezh-DM long-range early warning radar system in Krasnodar (Russia facing Crimea), a massive radar with 6000 km range able to track 500 targets at once. (hmm ... but not drones)  

This could open the door for Western missiles hitting inside Russia unimpeded, if permission is given.  

 

[reference][X-reference]

 

[Danderman123]

50 minutes ago, rabas said:

Multiple Ukrainian drones hit the Voronezh-DM long-range early warning radar system in Krasnodar (Russia facing Crimea), a massive radar with 6000 km range able to track 500 targets at once. (hmm ... but not drones)  

This could open the door for Western missiles hitting inside Russia unimpeded, if permission is given.  

 

[reference][X-reference]

 

The war is giving NATO real insight into Russian capabilities, or lack thereof.

 

Anti-missile systems that get hit by missiles indicate that some Russian systems don't actually work. I suspect that Russian corruption is at work, a system designer could easily fake capabilities, steal the money, and normally Putin would never know. So, such successful attacks on key infrastructure is going to lead to job losses - or worse - in the defense industry.

[rabas]

Video of the recent ATACMS destruction of a Russian S400 system in Donetsk.  It appears six S400 missiles were fired just before being destroyed by 3 ATACMS missiles with cluster warheads.  Assuming Russia shoots 2 missiles for each incoming (standard protocol?) then they hit none.  Quite different from pro Russian comments claiming the S400 system (with 6 launchers, 24 missiles) was overwhelmed by huge numbers of ATACMS.  Looks more like the score was 3 for 3.

 

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1793898154120589498

 

 

Edited May 25 by rabas

[CatCage]

Ukrainian M1 Abrams Tanks Get Elaborate ‘Cope Cages

Ukraine's U.S.-supplied M1A1 Abrams tanks are getting new production-standard anti-drone armor screens, also commonly known as "cope cages," on their turrets. Pictures of one of the modified Abrams show it has also received additional explosive reactive armor (ERA), modifications that have also been appearing elsewhere in the field.

 

https://www.twz.com/land/ukrainian-m1-abrams-tanks-get-elaborate-cope-cages-soviet-explosive-reactive-armor

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

NATO Secretary General urges allies to allow Ukraine to strike military targets inside Russia with supplied weapons.

 

 

Edited May 25 by Bkk Brian

[rabas]

18 hours ago, ballpoint said:

So far only Reuters are claiming this in the last few hours, and other agencies have got the story from them.  Somehow, I don't think they'll take his offer, even if it is confirmed.

 

"Vladimir Putin is ready to halt the war in Ukraine with a ceasefire that recognises the current battlefield lines, four Russian sources have told the Reuters news agency...

...according to two of the sources who spoke to Reuters, Mr Putin thinks recent gains in the war are enough to sell a victory to the Russian people. "

 

The sources also claim that Russia could carry on the war if they wanted to, but that would involve another mobilisation, which Putin doesn't favour.  So all would be forgiven and forgotten, and they'll be friends again?  I have a bridge to Crimea for sale to anyone who believes that.

 

Vladimir Putin ready to 'freeze' war in Ukraine with ceasefire recognising recent Russian gains, sources say | World News | Sky News

 

And straight from the Reuters mouth here, including this summary:

 

Exclusive: Putin wants Ukraine ceasefire on current frontlines | Reuters

 

 Detailed analysis by the Institute for the Study of War policy research organization. 

 

Main points:

Highly unlikely. 

The Kremlin routinely feigns interest in meaningful negotiations as part of a longstanding information operation ...

The Kremlin will continue to feign interest in negotiations at critical moments in the war to influence Western decision-making ...

 

"Putin wants peace!  Maybe hold off on letting Ukraine shoot ATACMS into Russia hitting more S400 systems." 

 

[BobBKK]

On 5/24/2024 at 3:09 PM, tgw said:

 

I do know very well that NATO isn't going to do that at all.

Anyway, Finland is geographically as well suited for that.
But neither NATO nor the USA have any interest to station nukes in Ukraine, Finland, Sweden or Georgia.

What would be the point ? US Nukes in Turkey and Germany are just a few minutes away from Moscow anyway. The US has a strategic interest in having nukes in Europe, yes. But the interest is continental, they don't need to have them in Eastern Europe, and the US already has nukes in Turkey and Germany, in addition to French and UK nukes.
You are just babbling nonsense the whole day long.

 How many times have you been to Ukraine?  or Russia? And direct experience working there or just happy to spout the USA narrative without engaging experience or brain. Zelensky has no democratic legitimacy now, and his term has expired. You need to research the 2014 agreement that Germany and France brokered and guaranteed, although we now know it was a ruse.
Your analysis is always weak, so at least you are consistent in that regard. Admit it - you have never even been to Ukraine or Russia - I have an Uncle who currently lives in Kiev and have been to Russia 17 times.

[tgw]

52 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 How many times have you been to Ukraine?  or Russia? And direct experience working there or just happy to spout the USA narrative without engaging experience or brain. Zelensky has no democratic legitimacy now, and his term has expired. You need to research the 2014 agreement that Germany and France brokered and guaranteed, although we now know it was a ruse.
Your analysis is always weak, so at least you are consistent in that regard. Admit it - you have never even been to Ukraine or Russia - I have an Uncle who currently lives in Kiev and have been to Russia 17 times.

 

I have been to Ukraine several times on business and I have family there.

I have also been to Russia on business.

I would not be able to count how many times.

 

Russia blatantly violated the 2014 Minsk agreements.

As well as the Budapest Memorandum, and the earlier agreements, poisoned the elected president, etc. and also violated the next Minsk II agreements.

I find it difficult to believe that if you know what happened in Ukraine you would defend the Russian position. I claim BS.

 

You can inform yourself in detail here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

 

don't come with "it's all Western lies" - we are all tired of your type.

Edited May 25 by tgw

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 
Your analysis is always weak, so at least you are consistent in that regard. Admit it - you have never even been to Ukraine or Russia - I have an Uncle who currently lives in Kiev and have been to Russia 17 times.

So, you are okay if Putin kills your uncle.

[Seppius]

"At least two people have been killed and 35 others wounded after Russian forces hit a supermarket in the northern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv with two glide bombs, local officials say"

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg33y9eedz7o

 

Ukraine target military, Russia civilians

 

 

 

Edited May 25 by Seppius
Gramma

[Danderman123]

51 minutes ago, Seppius said:

"At least two people have been killed and 35 others wounded after Russian forces hit a supermarket in the northern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv with two glide bombs, local officials say"

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg33y9eedz7o

 

Ukraine target military, Russia civilians

 

 

 

I don't understand how any normal person could support such evil.

 

Some of the same people who condemn Israel killing of civilians in Gaza are fine with Russians killing Ukrainian civilians.

 

 

Edited May 25 by Danderman123

[thaibeachlovers]

On 5/24/2024 at 6:01 PM, rabas said:

 

Rogue Russia threatens the world, not just Ukraine

 

Your turn, please provide evidence that Burmese hill tribes are a threat.

Rogue Russia threatens the world, not just Ukraine

 

Surely, surely you can't be serious?

 

Russia almost got whupped at the beginning of the Ukraine invasion and you think they can invade the rest of the world.

Excuse me while I have .

 

It's called propaganda, BTW.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Seppius said:

"At least two people have been killed and 35 others wounded after Russian forces hit a supermarket in the northern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv with two glide bombs, local officials say"

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg33y9eedz7o

 

Ukraine target military, Russia civilians

 

 

 

I said a while back that if Ukraine targeted facilities in Russia they could expect a response. IMO this is part of the response.

They have already destroyed much of Ukraine's electricity generation and will likely continue to do so, but seems that isn't enough to dissuade  Ukraine from drones in Russia.

I'm not saying it's right to do so, but annoy the bear and expect a swipe or two in return.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, rabas said:

The Kremlin routinely feigns interest in meaningful negotiations as part of a longstanding information operation ...

The Kremlin will continue to feign interest in negotiations at critical moments in the war to influence Western decision-making ...

Sounds like what the US does. There are no clean hands in this conflict.

[rabas]

 

Eighth Russian Su-25 downed in 20 days attempts high speed vertical emergency landing.

 

Story: https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1794469765140136083

 

[Rimmer]

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[Seppius]

 

"Satellite imagery confirms a Russian strategic early warning radar site in the southwestern end of the country was substantially damaged in a reported Ukrainian drone attack earlier this week. This looks to be a first-of-its-kind attack on a site linked to Russia's general strategic defense. As such, it points to a new and worrisome dimension to the conflict, especially when it comes to the potential use of nuclear weapons."

 

https://www.twz.com/news-features/strike-on-russian-strategic-early-warning-radar-site-is-a-big-deal

[tgw]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Rogue Russia threatens the world, not just Ukraine

 

Surely, surely you can't be serious?

 

Russia almost got whupped at the beginning of the Ukraine invasion and you think they can invade the rest of the world.

Excuse me while I have .

 

It's called propaganda, BTW.

 

We still got to finish the job.

If Putin is allowed to take away some wins in the shape of gained territory, he will continue to try the same elsewhere.

Georgia is definitely at the top on his list just after Ukraine.

Possibly some other Central Asian countries too, or Armenia, Azerbaidjan ...

 

Not to mention his worldwide subversive actions since about the early 2000s.

Anti-democracy, anti-everything subversion to destabilize Western countries. Effects have been quite devastating so far with Brexit and Trump. Thankfully, Western politicians have woken up to the threat after years of warnings from the intelligence community as well as from journalists, but they took way too long to take action.

Edited May 26 by tgw

[Mavideol]

Ukraine-Russia news – live: Putin ‘ready to freeze war’ as Kyiv ‘secures combat control’ around Kharkiv

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-latest-putin-035046932.html

 

[Mavideol]

Meet the Peaky Blinders - Ukraine's drone squad defending Kharkiv

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/meet-peaky-blinders-ukraines-drone-050021816.html

[Mavideol]

I really doubt Ukraine would agree with his delusional ideas, ...wishful thinking, hope it's the last thing to die

Vladimir Putin ready to 'freeze' war in Ukraine with ceasefire recognising recent Russian gains, sources say

https://au.yahoo.com/news/vladimir-putin-ready-freeze-war-113100022.html

 

[Danderman123]

With 500,000 casualties, maybe Putin thinks he needs to pull Russia out of the war, before Russia is pushed out of Ukraine.