Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[ChicagoExpat]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Pull the other one. That's way more than 5 minutes worth. Are you keeping a file on everyone that you have a problem with? You do know that stalking is against forum rules, don't you?

It was literally 5 minutes' worth of looking at the thread.  Wow, someone doesn't like his words being used against him.  If you don't like the words... don't say them.

 

They're your words, and I used them in context.

[ChicagoExpat]

5 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 Nice try. Russia has already said it will strike back when it is ready. Ukraine is desperate now and it is nearing the end.

One of the themes BolshevikBob et al use are things like "What?!?  Ukraine just did accidentally what Russia does purposefully?  RUSSIA IS REALLY NOT GONNA LIKE THIS" as if Russia HASN'T been doing its utmost to murder, rape, and pillage for over two years now.  Short of using nukes, which @ThaiBeachLover is convinced will be only the West's fault, what more could they do?

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 Nice try. Russia has already said it will strike back when it is ready. Ukraine is desperate now and it is nearing the end.

You're caught out:

 

 

 

[BobBKK]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

I wasn't talking to you, but folk like you that support a "Hitler" type invader, should really expect some flack, unless you're "a big girls blouse" dribbling on a keyboard, which I suspect..... 🤔

 Liar

"Says a Russian stooge"  is aimed at a fellow poster because you have no arguments  AD HOMINEM  

[BobBKK]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You're caught out:

 

 

 

 Yes, coming soon, Lavrov announced - do you ever look at neutral news sources?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, BobBKK said:

 Yes, coming soon, Lavrov announced - do you ever look at neutral news sources?

Link to Lavrov saying it then, you made the claim to try and cover your vile comments:

 

[BobBKK]

Your baiting attempts are embarrassing  - do you think Russia will do nothing?

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-russia-putin-kharkiv-energy-sky-news-live-blog-12541713?postid=7775603

Edited June 25 by BobBKK

[rabas]

22 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 
Children are dead with Amercian-supplied munitions - happy are you? Disgusting, and wait for the payback - coming soon.

 

So it makes no difference to you that Russia chose an area over a public beach at noon to shoot down a Ukrainian missile aimed at a military base elsewhere being used to kill Ukrainian civilians daily?

 

This kind of 'logic' may be why a few posters get branded as propagandists. They leave out essential facts, as does propaganda. 

 

[BobBKK]

11 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

So it makes no difference to you that Russia chose an area over a public beach at noon to shoot down a Ukrainian missile aimed at a military base elsewhere being used to kill Ukrainian civilians daily?

 

This kind of 'logic' may be why a few posters get branded as propagandists. They leave out essential facts, as does propaganda. 

 

 
Do you sincerely believe Russia chose to shoot down cluster missiles (BANNED missiles) over the beach???  talk about propaganda  lol  

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 
Do you sincerely believe Russia chose to shoot down cluster missiles (BANNED missiles) over the beach???  talk about propaganda  lol  

Talking of propaganda. Who said they were cluster missiles?

[rabas]

24 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 Do you sincerely believe Russia chose to shoot down cluster missiles (BANNED missiles) over the beach???  talk about propaganda  lol  

 

Sincerely. I know a lot about high tech. 

 

I also know that Russians are purposely and repeatedly firing all kinds inhuman stuff at civilians on a regular basis, like 3 ton bombs and flechette rounds. Flechette rounds?, their only purpose is slicing up any humans in their way.

 

Are you able to balance all sides of an issue?

[tgw]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

 Do you sincerely believe Russia chose to shoot down cluster missiles (BANNED missiles) over the beach???  talk about propaganda  lol  

 

It certainly didn't worry about it - which government would maintain beaches opened in a war zone that is also an occupied foreign territory ?

[tgw]

43 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

We can disagree like gentlemen - the truth is the first casualty of war. No need for insults - thank you have a nice day.

 

I think it's time to ban people who support the deliberate, targeted murder of civilians as an answer for an unintended collateral damage, as regrettable as it is.

This in addition of supporting the murder of civilians in general.

 

BobBKK, you are spewing hate speech, as well as Gweiloman does.

Edited June 25 by tgw

[CharlieH]

STOP this ridiculous name calling.

 

Keep it civil please and stop the personal references and attacks.Anymore of this and holidays will follow.

 

@BobBKK @transam @ChicagoExpat

[BobBKK]

47 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

I think it's time to ban people who support the deliberate, targeted murder of civilians as an answer for an unintended collateral damage, as regrettable as it is.

This in addition of supporting the murder of civilians in general.

 

BobBKK, you are spewing hate speech, as well as Gweiloman does.

 We can disagree like gentlemen - the truth is the first casualty of war. No need for insults - thank you have a nice day."

Is hate speech?  wow

[tgw]

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 We can disagree like gentlemen - the truth is the first casualty of war. No need for insults - thank you have a nice day."

Is hate speech?  wow

 

I meant your hate drivel about the Ukraine war in general, not that specific quote

[Bkk Brian]

The evil of the double tap strikes by Russia. No wonder back in 2022 the European Parliament adopted a resolution that they recognise Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism and as a state that “uses means of terrorism”.

 

On Wednesday, Parliament adopted a resolution on the latest developments in Russia’s brutal war of aggression against Ukraine. MEPs highlight that the deliberate attacks and atrocities committed by Russian forces and their proxies against civilians in Ukraine, the destruction of civilian infrastructure and other serious violations of international and humanitarian law amount to acts of terror and constitute war crimes. In light of this, they recognise Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism and as a state that “uses means of terrorism”.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20221118IPR55707/european-parliament-declares-russia-to-be-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism

 

POKROVSK, Donetsk region, Ukraine, June 24 (Reuters) - A Russian double-tap missile attack killed at least five people and wounded 41 others, including four children, in the eastern Ukrainian town of Pokrovsk on Monday, regional officials said.
"This is one of the largest enemy attacks on civilians recently," regional governor Vadym Filashkin said on Telegram.
Girls aged 9, 11, and 13, and a 12-year-old boy were injured, he added.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-missiles-kill-four-wound-34-eastern-town-pokrovsk-ukraine-says-2024-06-24/

https://archive.ph/3ugRl

 

 

[Denim]

International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Russia's Shoigu and Gerasimov

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/international-criminal-court-issues-arrest-warrant-russias-shoigu-gerasimov-2024-06-25/

 

 

By Stephanie van den Berg

June 25, 20246:07 PM GMT+7Updated a min ago

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, Denim said:

International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Russia's Shoigu and Gerasimov

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/international-criminal-court-issues-arrest-warrant-russias-shoigu-gerasimov-2024-06-25/

 

 

By Stephanie van den Berg

June 25, 20246:07 PM GMT+7Updated a min ago

 

 

Excellent news!

 

No paywall link is here: https://archive.ph/TciYY

 

In a press release, the court said judges had found there were "reasonable grounds to believe that the two suspects bear responsibility for missile strikes carried out by the Russian armed forces against the Ukrainian electric infrastructure from at least 10 October 2022 until at least 9 March 2023".
The Russian officials were suspected of having committed war crimes and crimes against humanity for directing attacks against civilians and civilian objects in Ukraine.

 

[Bkk Brian]

More good news!!

 

European Court Rules Russia Guilty Of Human Rights Abuses In Ukraine

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) has ruled that Russia committed human rights violations in the Crimean Peninsula since its annexation of the Ukrainian peninsula in 2014.

The Strasbourg-based court said in a ruling on June 25 that atrocities committed by Russia include harassment and intimidation of priests and journalists. Moscow has denied the claims in the case, which was brought to the court by Ukraine.

It also concerns allegations by Kyiv that Russia has used a pattern of persecution of Ukrainians for their political stance or pro-Ukrainian activities, whether they occurred in Crimea or other parts of Ukraine or in Russia.

https://www.rferl.org/a/european-rights-court-rules-russia-guilty-multiple-abuses-in-ukraine/33008390.html

 

Direct link

https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/#{"documentcollectionid2":["GRANDCHAMBER","CHAMBER"],"itemid":["001-234982"]}

[kwonitoy]

 

 

[rabas]

 

Video proof that the Sevastopol beach was hit by falling debris from a Russian intercepted ATACMS missile.  Note the 1 km² wide debris field shows the missile broke up at a high altitude, it did not target the beach. Also note Russia knew this from the beginning. Liars. 

 

Edited June 25 by rabas

[rabas]

Einstein once said  "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones".

 

I doubt he meant drones fighting each other with sticks. How does this work? The Ukraine drone uses a stick to break the Russian drone's propellers.

 

 

[Tug]

2 hours ago, kwonitoy said:

 

 

Aww don’t worry putin can get resupplyed by n Korea ……oh wait 

[Gweiloman]

This forum seems to me to be a microcosm of the real world today. You have on one side, the group that feels everything they say and do is the only RIGHT thing and that everyone must subscribe to their views. Opposing views are ridiculed, lambasted, criticised, drowned out, disallowed. Insults and name calling are the norm, from heads of states down to the lowest peon on AN. Loads of disinformation and propaganda and demonisation of the other side.

 

The two sides are too far apart to ever see eye to eye. Too much damage done, all trust and respect completely eroded. The world is clearly dividing along these lines. On one side, an unipolar system, claiming fairness, justice and equality, claiming democracy and freedom yet hypocritically exerting its influence by means of military and economic threats, unilateral sanctions, containment policies, obvious provocations, outright theft of assets and resources. The list goes on.

 

On the other hand, the other side quietly goes about its business, forging ties and alliances in a win win fashion, cooperating where possible, aiding where necessary, never trying to export its ideology to others, non interference being the norm and resolving disputes with dialogue and diplomacy.

 

Which side will win out? It’s clear as day. Won’t happen overnight of course but the shift is gaining momentum by the day. I’m happily sitting back watching the tsunami gather pace until it washes over whatever is in its way.

 

 

 

 

[ElwoodP]

Many bickering posts removed. Please discuss the topic and not each other.

[ChicagoExpat]

20 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 
Do you sincerely believe Russia chose to shoot down cluster missiles (BANNED missiles) over the beach???  talk about propaganda  lol  

You don't get to choose where debris falls, or the exact second you intercept a missile.  A beach is an incredibly narrow strip of land.  They didn't CHOOSE to have the debris fall on the beach.  But, since you asked:  Yes, I 100% believe that if Russia had to choose between shooting down a missile threatening an important military asset and killing a few civilians, or letting the missile hit thus saving the civilians but losing the military asset, the would 1000% choose the former.  And every Russian knows this is true.

 

Look, if you know nothing about the subject, don't talk about it.

[ChicagoExpat]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

This forum seems to me to be a microcosm of the real world today. You have on one side, the group that feels everything they say and do is the only RIGHT thing and that everyone must subscribe to their views. Opposing views are ridiculed, lambasted, criticised, drowned out, disallowed. Insults and name calling are the norm, from heads of states down to the lowest peon on AN. Loads of disinformation and propaganda and demonisation of the other side.

Yes, but despite your insults and arrogance, and shilling for the most authoritarian regimes on earth while enjoying all the benefits of the societies you claim to hate... we press on.

[ChicagoExpat]

4 hours ago, rabas said:

 

Video proof that the Sevastopol beach was hit by falling debris from a Russian intercepted ATACMS missile.  Note the 1 km² wide debris field shows the missile broke up at a high altitude, it did not target the beach. Also note Russia knew this from the beginning. Liars. 

 

Bob thinks this shows a purposeful cluster munitions strike.  🤣  Just Google, Bob, what an ACTUAL cluster munitions strike looks like... we'll await for admission that you have not the slightest idea what you're talking about.

[Denim]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

On the other hand, the other side quietly goes about its business,

 

Invading neighboring countries and targeting civilian infrastructure.  Yea , we know.