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Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

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I have been to Ukraine several times on business and I have family there. I have also been to Russia on business. I would not be able to count how many times.   Russia blatantly vi

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As long as commentators in the west preface with 'if Putin wins', they disclose how much they still believe in their own delusional propaganda. There are only two possible scenarios - Russia wins and

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EU countries will do it, regardless of Trump. Whether it's wasteful or not is not important. The expenditure will simply be necessary if Putin wins. Several countries are already thinking about r

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Ukraine targeting ethanol distilleries, with either a tanker or a distillation tower seen rivalling a Russian tank turret for aerial acrobatics.   These attacks don't seem to be aimed at cutting off Russia's vodka supply, though that would really cause an uproar against Putin, but rather likely due to ethanol being a key component in munitions manufacturing, with the distilleries less protected than the munitions factories themselves.  Once again, Russia claims to have intercepted all the drones, with "debris" causing the fires.  They really need to get some anti-debris missiles.

 

 

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On 10/27/2024 at 11:45 AM, Mavideol said:

North Koreans training in Russia are now in combat zone: Ukraine Defense Intelligence

https://au.yahoo.com/news/north-koreans-training-russia-now-234406861.html

 

"Ukrainian spies spotted the troops, who they said were trained at one of five military sites in east Russia, in Russia’s Kursk region."

So the North Korean armed tourists are in Kursk region and they have Russian visa in passports. But there are also other tourists, some of them are native English speakers, who don't have valid Russian visa. And who do you think is right here and who is wrong?

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If Ukraine is allowed to send long range missiles into Russia (Moscow etc.) that would be like Sth Korean forces using USA missiles in the Korean war and bombing Beijing - it would only lead to a massive escalation that would hurt and kill millions.  Only war-mongers want that to happen - and the US military industrial complex that is getting very rich of this war. NATO had better not allow that, or the people and political leaders of those European countries in NATO will pay the price. This is a war like Afghanistan or Korea - the 'big boys' are each supporting one of the sides, both by supplying equipment and troops. But if it escalates and becomes a war between Russia and NATO, the world will pay a huge price.  Right now NATO/USA are using this war for 'political purposes', and their overall 'tactic' is to drain the economic resources of Russia.  They do not really care about Ukraine or Ukrainian people - they just hate Russia. Escalation because Ukraine is losing (or for whatever reason), must be avoided or it will be a full-scale war and whatever happens, the Russian and European people will lose (just like last time). 

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20 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Nato says North Korean troops deployed to Russia's Kursk region

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/nato-says-north-korean-troops-121523646.html


IMO the Nth Korean troops have been sent to Ukraine for 'experience'.  Nothing beats training troops in a real combat situation and that is mainly why they are participating.  China cannot do the same because they have strategic issues with USA, but they probably will if USA deploys their troops to Ukraine.  Likewise, most European countries have not sent their troops into Ukraine (only 'advisers') because they fear this could lead to an escalation and their own countries could be under attack.   

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1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

... and what are you going to do about it

North Korean troops in Kursk a ‘significant escalation’ of Ukraine conflict, NATO’s Rutte says

https://au.yahoo.com/news/north-korean-troops-kursk-significant-113905955.html

 

The apologists will still be in denial. The newly installed Nato chief said the deployment represented a "significant escalation" and a "dangerous expansion" of Russia's war in Ukraine.

 

 

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No chance of having Simonyan replaced with AI then? 

 

"Meanwhile in Russia: head of RT Margarita Simonyan admitted that many of RT's TV hosts do not exist and are entirely AI-generated, along with their fake social media accounts. She predicts that journalism will disappear in the near future."

 

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https://x.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1850745461511987420

 

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On 10/26/2024 at 1:10 PM, Mavideol said:

South Korea may send weapons to Ukraine if North Korean troops deploy to the war

 

South Korea may send weapons to Ukraine if North Korean troops deploy to the war

They wanted to send troops, now they say they wanted to send weapons. What next?

As an expat in Thailand I recently watched a Thai TV show with ugly people wanting to become normal. The show runners send the winner to South Korea for plastic surgery and they become beautiful. In Thailand, SK has an image of plastic surgery and transplantology paradise. So it is easy to predict what they will really send to help Ukrainian soldiers. I would bet that they will send special bulletproof vests that protect not the entire body from bullets, but only the most expensive organs - the liver and kidneys.

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18 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

If Ukraine is allowed to send long range missiles into Russia (Moscow etc.) that would be like Sth Korean forces using USA missiles in the Korean war and bombing Beijing - it would only lead to a massive escalation that would hurt and kill millions.  Only war-mongers want that to happen - and the US military industrial complex that is getting very rich of this war. NATO had better not allow that, or the people and political leaders of those European countries in NATO will pay the price. This is a war like Afghanistan or Korea - the 'big boys' are each supporting one of the sides, both by supplying equipment and troops. But if it escalates and becomes a war between Russia and NATO, the world will pay a huge price.  Right now NATO/USA are using this war for 'political purposes', and their overall 'tactic' is to drain the economic resources of Russia.  They do not really care about Ukraine or Ukrainian people - they just hate Russia. Escalation because Ukraine is losing (or for whatever reason), must be avoided or it will be a full-scale war and whatever happens, the Russian and European people will lose (just like last time). 

The war monger in this case is Putin who started the war.  

 

BTW..everyone should hate Russia. 

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IMO the Nth Korean troops have been sent to Ukraine for 'experience'.  Nothing beats training troops in a real combat situation and that is mainly why they are participating.  China cannot do the same because they have strategic issues with USA, but they probably will if USA deploys their troops to Ukraine.  Likewise, most European countries have not sent their troops into Ukraine (only 'advisers') because they fear this could lead to an escalation and their own countries could be under attack.   

I’m sure this is case and that countries like China and India has been advised accordingly. 3,000 - 12,000 soldiers is an insignificant number of troops and if you believe Ukraine’s claim of over 1,000 casualties a day, this will make no difference and can hardly be classified a serious escalation. 
 

So the question is why is the west playing this up? To try and justify NATO expansion into Asia? To try and justify sending troops (maybe South Korean as they aren’t part of NATO) into Ukraine to hold off the inevitable collapse for a bit longer?

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12 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I’m sure this is case and that countries like China and India has been advised accordingly. 3,000 - 12,000 soldiers is an insignificant number of troops and if you believe Ukraine’s claim of over 1,000 casualties a day, this will make no difference and can hardly be classified a serious escalation. 
 

So the question is why is the west playing this up? To try and justify NATO expansion into Asia? To try and justify sending troops (maybe South Korean as they aren’t part of NATO) into Ukraine to hold off the inevitable collapse for a bit longer?

So you think a foreign nation sending boots on the ground is no big deal?

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A fascinating, and terrifying, video narrated by Stephen Fry.  Ignore the click bait title if you will, though it makes a point,  The first half will no doubt be argued against by the usual suspects, but the second half is chilling, as it discusses advances in AI controlled weapons, particularly drones.

 

It makes the point that, a human controlling a drone can make humane decisions based on what they see.  For example, this still from the 7:22 mark of the video shows a Russian soldier pleading for mercy, as seen by a Ukrainian drone operator.  The drone drops water for him, along with a map showing his location. (Note too, he doesn't appear to be of Slavic origin. Putin is too smart to conscript citizens from Moscow and St Petersburg).

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Increasingly, though - mainly due to Russian jamming, drones are being controlled by AI.  The human operator flies them near the target and the AI takes over.  If the signal to the human operator is blocked, then the drone will continue to its mission.  For an attack on a weapons or oil facility it will be "fed" with a photo of the target, but for attacks on soldiers it is trained to attack Russian uniforms.  No humane decision possible, just attack and death.  From the 7:53 mark:

 

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And what happens when the Russians counter this by changing, or removing, their uniforms? How long till these drones are programmed to attack anything human?

 

The US and China have started making AI controlled drones - ground and sea based as well as aerial, in massive numbers, with China currently having the advantage.  Swarms of drones, attacking from multiple angles at once, overwhelm defenses and leave nobody alive. Clips of their testing are included in the video.

 

I've often thought that, just as Vietnam is said to be the first "television war", so Ukraine can claim to be the first "YouTube war".  Sadly, it may also be a more lethal first for all of us.  The first AI war.

 

 

 

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me old propaganda trying to scare Nato, nothing to worry about he has no balls and knows if he does something like that it will be his end

 

Russia test-fires missiles to simulate 'massive' response to nuclear first strike

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-test-fires-missiles-simulate-162252510.html

 

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I don't know what could have been done, the west didn't do anything when Russia did alliances with China and Iran, Venezuela and some African countries

Opinion - The West did nothing to stop North Korea’s alliance with Russia, and there will be consequences

https://au.yahoo.com/news/opinion-west-did-nothing-stop-140000571.html

 

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