Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[beautifulthailand99]

Since China won't change course the question is what is the US going to do about it. It begged China to exert pressure to stop the Houthi attacks in the Red Sea and turned tail from Operation Prosperity Guardian. The US's big stick is looking more and more than a large twig. But when you hollow out a productive vibrant economy with offshoring and game the system with finacialisation that "makes money" and not things you lose that power. 

 

US accuses China of giving ‘very substantial’ help to Russia’s war machine - In exchange, China is getting top secret Russian military technology.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/united-states-accuse-china-help-russia-war-kurt-campbell/

 

Now Washington is unambiguously saying that China is aiding the Russian military. With Moscow facing international sanctions, it desperately needs technology to boost its military production to be able to continue its war against Ukraine.

[Bkk Brian]

Give those boys a bonus 

 

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1833762143906279722

 

[beautifulthailand99]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/11/army-warfighting-ability-damaged-by-training-ukrainians/

https://archive.is/6Adyy

 

Britain’s warfighting ability has been damaged by training Ukrainian soldiers, a report by the National Audit Office (NAO) has found.

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said that the UK’s military support for Ukraine had “constrained” its ability to train British troops, as it reduced the availability of training facilities on the Army’s estate.

The report, published on Wednesday, said: “The MoD has acknowledged that Interflex will constrain the Army’s capacity to train its own soldiers.”

Edited September 11 by beautifulthailand99

[Bkk Brian]

Russia spending over half billion dollars to stop Russians knowing what's going on in the war..

 

Russia to spend over half billion dollars to block VPN services

The funds will be used to improve technology that filters Internet traffic and blocks or slows down specific web resources.

In 2019, Russia introduced legislation that permits the country to totally disconnect from the internet in what it calls a "campaign to preserve digital sovereignty".

Following the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Kremlin reportedly banned some foreign social media and internet corporations, however many sites are still accessible via virtual private networks, or VPNs.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/09/10/7474369/

[RayC]

18 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Well Zelenkiy was elected to bring better relations with Russia,end corruption and find a solution to the war in Donbas and he can't be removed by an election as it stands currently. And let's not forget Maidan wasn't a mass revolt but a gathering of 20,000 mostly peaceful but with a nasty undercurrent of far right forces fomenting unrest for their own ends - echoes of January 6th maybe ? Maybe Yanukovych realised in his soul that cordial relations with Russia were vital if you didn't want to be "Chechnyiad". He wasn't wrong.Post war if western money comes in and it's a big if - we will have replaced one oligarchic class with another, American big finance - when the heroes who survive will want a country fit for all like 1945 Britain socialism red in tooth and claw. Blackrock and JP Morgan don't do that.

 

I am unsure what points you are trying to make but there is nothing in your reply that addresses my post, and it certainly doesn't in any way negate my contention that the responsibility for this war lies firmly with Russia (Putin).

 

You attempt to paint Zelensky as a failure and imply that he is being anti-democratic by not holding an election. In normal, peaceful times you might have a point and the Ukrainian people might agree with you. However, of course, these are not normal times for Ukraine and attempting to hold an election now would be ridiculous. 

 

The Maidan Uprising WAS a mass revolt. You are being disingenuous and economical with the facts in attempting to portray it as anything else. It may have started out with a protest march of +/-20,000 people in Kyiv, but over the course of five days the numbers involved swelled to 800,000. There were also sizeable protests in other Ukrainian cities. There may well have been " .. a nasty undercurrent of far right forces fomenting unrest for their own ends ..", but the overwhelming majority of protesters were ordinary Ukrainian citizens and the only "echoes of January 6th" were to be found in the tiny number of far right agitators.

 

You attempt to draw a parallel between Chechnya and Ukraine when none exists. Chechnya is part of Russia; Ukraine is - or would be were it not for Russia - an independent, sovereign nation. You imply that Yanukovych's action was justified as it was an attempt to avoid (armed?) conflict with Russia and build "cordial relations" with her, but the obvious conclusion is that the terms of this 'cordial relationship' would be dictated by Russia. What independent, sovereign nation would accept such conditions?

 

What happens post-war depends upon many factors. There will inevitably be those who become wealthy (wealthier) on the back of any reconstruction. And ... ? Would you prefer that Ukraine remains nothing more than a very large demolition site? 

[beautifulthailand99]

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Russia spending over half billion dollars to stop Russians knowing what's going on in the war..

 

Russia to spend over half billion dollars to block VPN services

The funds will be used to improve technology that filters Internet traffic and blocks or slows down specific web resources.

In 2019, Russia introduced legislation that permits the country to totally disconnect from the internet in what it calls a "campaign to preserve digital sovereignty".

Following the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Kremlin reportedly banned some foreign social media and internet corporations, however many sites are still accessible via virtual private networks, or VPNs.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/09/10/7474369/

They are catching up with the Great Firewall of China as part of their friendship without limits.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

They are catching up with the Great Firewall of China as part of their friendship without limits.

Don't kid yourself on a China Russia friendship without limits

[RayC]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given Putin's inability to conquer the eastern part of Ukraine, I fail to understand how anyone can believe the western propaganda that Russia is even capable of taking over Europe.

 

If, as you appear to suggest, Russia is incapable of winning this war why doesn't Putin withdraw Russian troops from Ukrainian territory.

 

Once that is done, decisions can be made about the price Russia should pay for starting this unnecessary war.

[RayC]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Don't kid yourself on a China Russia friendship without limits

 

And no one should kid themselves that this is a "friendship of equals". China is one dictating the terms of this relationship.

 

As a business associate once said to me, "Anything for a friend for a fee".

[beautifulthailand99]

16 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

I am unsure what points you are trying to make but there is nothing in your reply that addresses my post, and it certainly doesn't in any way negate my contention that the responsibility for this war lies firmly with Russia (Putin).

 

You attempt to paint Zelensky as a failure and imply that he is being anti-democratic by not holding an election. In normal, peaceful times you might have a point and the Ukrainian people might agree with you. However, of course, these are not normal times for Ukraine and attempting to hold an election now would be ridiculous. 

 

The Maidan Uprising WAS a mass revolt. You are being disingenuous and economical with the facts in attempting to portray it as anything else. It may have started out with a protest march of +/-20,000 people in Kyiv, but over the course of five days the numbers involved swelled to 800,000. There were also sizeable protests in other Ukrainian cities. There may well have been " .. a nasty undercurrent of far right forces fomenting unrest for their own ends ..", but the overwhelming majority of protesters were ordinary Ukrainian citizens and the only "echoes of January 6th" were to be found in the tiny number of far right agitators.

 

You attempt to draw a parallel between Chechnya and Ukraine when none exists. Chechnya is part of Russia; Ukraine is - or would be were it not for Russia - an independent, sovereign nation. You imply that Yanukovych's action was justified as it was an attempt to avoid (armed?) conflict with Russia and build "cordial relations" with her, but the obvious conclusion is that the terms of this 'cordial relationship' would be dictated by Russia. What independent, sovereign nation would accept such conditions?

 

What happens post-war depends upon many factors. There will inevitably be those who become wealthy (wealthier) on the back of any reconstruction. And ... ? Would you prefer that Ukraine remains nothing more than a very large demolition site? 

The legitimancy (or otherwise ) of Maidan is for another place given that if I reply at length my post will be zapped. There were at least 3000 heavily armed far rightists directing the pushback against the authorities. A committed miltant cadre can make the weather if they so choose. Which indeed they did. Trotskyism works on the same basis of entryism of mass movements and set the agenda and direction of travel. I was one myself in the Anti-Nazi League in the late 70s.

 

https://voxukraine.org/en/denial-of-the-obvious-far-right-in-maidan-protests-and-their-danger-today

Edited September 11 by beautifulthailand99

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

 

And no one should kid themselves that this is a "friendship of equals". China is one dictating the terms of this relationship.

 

As a business associate once said to me, "Anything for a friend for a fee".

No one doubts that for one minute - but the forcing by necessity of Russia (the world's largest country and source of minerals) with China the world's largest manufacturing base and population and season with DPRK and Iran into an alliance of convenience will probably ne seen as one of the greatest foreign policy mistakes of the early 21st Century.

[coolcarer]

On 9/9/2024 at 11:02 PM, beautifulthailand99 said:

I agree but I use https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/  which is hated and trolled by many r/Ukraine users for showing 'both sides'. They were brigading attacks that nearly got it shut down a few months back after the Islamic terrorist attacks in Moscow but vigorous modding and a temporary shutdown meant it was able to get back up. Trolls or uncivil action is ruthlessly policed. I have a lot of karma....

Bragging about your karma on Reddit….saddest post I’ve read. Must be something to do with your prolific attempts to post the most negative news you can find about Ukraines defense of its own country on here.

[coolcarer]

On 9/10/2024 at 9:56 AM, Gweiloman said:

Ah, yes. That much mistaken often quoted non statement by Putin when it was in fact a view expressed by Milley. I’m not a military person but even I know that it would be impossible to take over a country the size of Ukraine with just a coupe of hundred thousand troops. And yet, western misinformation is so powerful that even supposedly intelligent people swallow it.

 

One of Putin’s stated objectives is the de-militarisation of Ukraine. What better way then to destroy its army and weapons, one by one, piece by piece. As another poster confirmed in an above post, the UAF now consists of soldiers of different nationalities, highlighting the lack of Ukrainians able and willing to fight. It is also solely dependent on weapons and ammunition supplied by other countries, not having the capability of producing its own.

 

In the meantime, the Russian economy continues to grow much faster than any G7 country, spurred on in part by increased military production and increased sales of natural gas to Europe. Putin probably can’t believe his luck that western leaders are so bereft of intelligence and so impotent.

Waffle from an apologist 

[RayC]

55 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The legitimancy (or otherwise ) of Maidan is for another place given that if I reply at length my post will be zapped. There were at least 3000 heavily armed far rightists directing the pushback against the authorities. A committed miltant cadre can make the weather if they so choose. Which indeed they did.

 

https://voxukraine.org/en/denial-of-the-obvious-far-right-in-maidan-protests-and-their-danger-today

 

You have not shown any qualms about making lengthy posts in the past, so why start now?

 

The article which you link to concludes that far-right groups were present at the Maidan protests. Imo this is undeniable. However, the link in no way supports your contention that " ... at least 3000 heavily armed far rightists (were) directing the pushback against the authorities."

 

Imo the Maidan Revolt cannot be ignored when it comes to any discussion about the causes of this war. I have explained on numerous occasions why I think that the revolt was justified and legitimate i.e. because Yanukovych refused to enact his mandate. If you think otherwise you should make a counter argument. To date, you have not. 

 

 

(Note: I will read or watch anything you post within reason: Please do not post 30-minute videos or 50 page articles and expect me to read/ watch them)

Edited September 11 by RayC
Grammar

[Mavideol]

23 hours ago, VBer said:

Somehow media forgetting to mention that it was residential buildings being hit, and the one who is dead is 46year old woman who just stayed in her apartment.

tell that to the thousands of civilian residents of the school, hospital, shopping mall in Ukraine that Russia bombed/missiles on a daily basis and when it's convenient he claimed that was an error or it was Ukrainian military doing it to their own

[Mavideol]

let Ukraine use unrestricted distance long range missiles ans the war will be over in no time

Ukraine-Russia war latest: Lammy and Blinken in Kyiv for key talks as Moscow launches Kursk counterattack

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-live-joint-033914158.html

 

 

[Mavideol]

how can the orange man say something like that, he will be betraying his besty Vlad

Donald Trump Won’t Say He Wants Ukraine To Win Its War With Russia

https://au.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-won-t-wants-033337303.html

 

[Mavideol]

Blinken to discuss support for Ukraine in meetings with senior officials in London

https://au.yahoo.com/news/british-foreign-secretary-lammy-hold-230517618.html

 

[frank83628]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Give those boys a bonus 

 

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1833762143906279722

 

yes, because any death and destruction is 1000's of miles from you!!

you're bit of a war hawk/warmonger aren't you. sitting safely typing from your keyboard why men die. , there were peace talks in 04.22, this could have all been over had the US and UK not stopped the negotiations. the information is on the internet ifs you can be bothered to look, but i know you wont

 

[frank83628]

6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

how can the orange man say something like that, he will be betraying his besty Vlad

Donald Trump Won’t Say He Wants Ukraine To Win Its War With Russia

https://au.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-won-t-wants-033337303.html

 

no, he said he wants people to stop dying, what on earth is wrong with that?? why does Ukraine or Russia have to "win'  such and outdated mentality. none of you on this thread have ever called for peace, i thought the left or liberals were anti war?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

no, he said he wants people to stop dying, what on earth is wrong with that?? why does Ukraine or Russia have to "win'  such and outdated mentality. none of you on this thread have ever called for peace, i thought the left or liberals were anti war?

Only anti war if the bad guys win.

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

no, he said he wants people to stop dying, what on earth is wrong with that?? why does Ukraine or Russia have to "win'  such and outdated mentality. none of you on this thread have ever called for peace, i thought the left or liberals were anti war?

he was asked a couple times and never answer the question, instead he diverge to a complete different topic

[tgw]

26 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

no, he said he wants people to stop dying, what on earth is wrong with that?? why does Ukraine or Russia have to "win'  such and outdated mentality. none of you on this thread have ever called for peace, i thought the left or liberals were anti war?

 

I for one have called for peace many times, that Putin leaves Ukraine and that the war stops.

[Bkk Brian]

58 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

yes, because any death and destruction is 1000's of miles from you!!

you're bit of a war hawk/warmonger aren't you. sitting safely typing from your keyboard why men die. , there were peace talks in 04.22, this could have all been over had the US and UK not stopped the negotiations. the information is on the internet ifs you can be bothered to look, but i know you wont

 

Getting triggered for Russians burning down a Russian Helicopter. Not a lot of hope for you is there.

[candide]

A Russian politician says the country needs a 'special demographic operation' to boost its birth rate, which has crashed to a 25-year-low

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-politician-says-country-needs-055132382.html

[zmisha]

6 hours ago, frank83628 said:

no, he said he wants people to stop dying, what on earth is wrong with that?? why does Ukraine or Russia have to "win'  such and outdated mentality. none of you on this thread have ever called for peace, i thought the left or liberals were anti war?

He just wants a new generation of conscripts to grow up in Ukraine. But that sounds pretty cruel. So Trump opts for more sentimental arguments.

[Bkk Brian]

ICC will get you and your henchmen eventually Putin...

 

The International Criminal Court (ICC) is determined to bring justice for crimes committed during Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, according to its chief prosecutor, Karim Khan. On a recent visit to Ukraine’s largest children’s hospital, Ohmatdyt, in Kyiv, which was struck by a missile in July, Khan underscored the ICC’s commitment to addressing these atrocities.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1337889-icc-vows-no-impunity-for-russia-over-war-crimes-in-ukraine/

 

[steven100]

Ukraine is doing ok by starting to attack Moscow facilities.  

Keep hitting Moscow and the Russians will suffer.  

They will receive long range guided missiles soon, which will bomb Moscow.  

Hit anything and everything.

 

Good job Ukraine.   

[kwonitoy]

 

[kwonitoy]