Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[stevenl]

This thread is about latest developments. Please continue your discussion in a different place.

[rabas]

5 hours ago, zmisha said:

UN was created as a result of WW2 in order to maintain the WW borders and resolve conflicts. UN does not bother about what the countries are doing inside their borders. And the WW2 was all about lands and borders, nothing else. The fact that Russia is the successor of the SU in UN means exactly that UN recognize the former SU borders as Russia`s borders. Otherwise, Russia should leave the UN Security Council.

Amazingly illogical, and wrong! 

 

Ukraine, as a separate territory, was a founding member of the UN in 1945 on the same day as the USSR. Ukraine's official name was the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. This was at the insistence of, you got it, the USSR. 

 

Ukraine was again granted full independence on August 24, 1991 by a vote of 321 to 2 by Supreme Soviet (parliament) of the Ukrainian SSR. On Dec 2, the Russian SFSR further recognized Ukraine's independence. 

 

In history, Ukraine was a great state when Moscow was still open grassland. 

 

Ukraine is and has always been Ukraine. 

 

[rabas]

9 hours ago, zmisha said:

It is like you see a beautiful Thai girl and another guy see her on a beach. You can say many civilized things, something about human rights or so - but the fact is ... 1 girl and two guys wanting her. So there is an objective situation of competition. Regardless of what these two guys say.
Same thing with the countries. There is only one Earth and a lot of countries wanting land and resources.  So again there is an objective situation of competition. No matter what anyone can say or not say. And in fact we see that nothing changed on earth - the same number of conflicts around the world and the reason is the same - land and resources.

 

In the civilized world, the beautiful girl decides which, if any, boy she wants.  

 

Same for independent Ukraine. The world cannot accept Putin's war of territorial aggression, rape, and pillage, the first since the World War 2 era. Criminal Putin has no right to choose.  

[thaibeachlovers]

35 minutes ago, rabas said:

Same for independent Ukraine. The world cannot accept Putin's war of territorial aggression, rape, and pillage, the first since the World War 2 era. Criminal Putin has no right to choose.  

Perhaps that depends on which side one chooses to support.

 

Meanwhile, the world isn't solving any of the many conflicts around the world and the UN has been exposed as an impotent talk shop, IMO.

[zmisha]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Amazingly illogical, and wrong! 

 

Ukraine, as a separate territory, was a founding member of the UN in 1945 on the same day as the USSR. Ukraine's official name was the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. This was at the insistence of, you got it, the USSR. 

 

Ukraine was again granted full independence on August 24, 1991 by a vote of 321 to 2 by Supreme Soviet (parliament) of the Ukrainian SSR. On Dec 2, the Russian SFSR further recognized Ukraine's independence. 

 

In history, Ukraine was a great state when Moscow was still open grassland. 

 

Ukraine is and has always been Ukraine. 

 

I see that the western governments don’t bother to explain this simple Soviet trick about the independence of the Soviet Republic of Ukraine. It is not prohibited to create new countries. You can create a new country Democratic Peoples Republic of Rabas right now. Nobody will prevent this independent country from being created. But, of course, all the land still belongs to the other country. The problem will begin when Democratic Peoples Republic of Rabas dare to say that there is a territory that belongs to it. By saying this, your country starts a military conflict with the real owner of this land. This is exactly what happened to Ukraine who was independent for decades without any problems but one day decided to get some land of Soviet Union.

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed, please stay on topic.

 

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[GroveHillWanderer]

10 hours ago, zmisha said:

UN was created as a result of WW2 in order to maintain the WW borders and resolve conflicts. UN does not bother about what the countries are doing inside their borders. And the WW2 was all about lands and borders, nothing else. The fact that Russia is the successor of the SU in UN means exactly that UN recognize the former SU borders as Russia`s borders. Otherwise, Russia should leave the UN Security Council.

Counter-factual, delusional nonsense.

 

According to forum rules, any claim of fact is to be backed up with a link to a reilable source. If, as you claim, the UN "recognizes the former SU borders as Russia`s borders," please provide a valid link that shows the UN acknowledging this.

[zmisha]

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

This thread is about latest developments. Please continue your discussion in a different place.

There are a lot of huge nuclear developments mentioned above. But I still can't see any EU guys here saying "Thanks, God! This Russian tough guy Vladimir saved us! He changed the nuclear doctrine and now it is impossible to start nuclear war in EU by simply launching an American nuke from any European country".
I predict that talk of nuclear war in Europe will very quickly disappear into thin air. But no one will connect this with changes in nuclear doctrine.

[Bkk Brian]

From Navy to tank guards, Russia's shortage of manpower

 

Russia deploys sailors from its only aircraft carrier to war zone in Ukraine due to personnel shortages – Forbes

Forbes reports that the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, which has remained out of service for eight years, may never return to combat duty.

The magazine notes that the warship's crew is being sent to the battlefield in Ukraine, another indication of the crisis in the Russian Armed Forces.

A Moklasen analyst observed that a portion of the Admiral Kuznetsov's 1,500-strong crew has been reassigned to the ground forces, forming a "frigate" battalion now engaged in combat operations as part of the 1st Guards Tank Army.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/09/23/7476351/

[Cameroni]

US Senator Tommy Tuberville says Ukraine is losing the war, is the most corrupt county on the planet and the United States should stop funding Ukraine with US taxpayer money.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Excellent news

 

September 26, 2024

Biden announces US is providing Ukraine with a total of $7.9 billion in new security assistance. Included: “To enhance Ukraine’s long-range strike capabilities, I have decided to provide Ukraine with the Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW) long-range munition.”

https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1839268477623763179

 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

US Senator Tommy Tuberville says Ukraine is losing the war, is the most corrupt county on the planet and the United States should stop funding Ukraine with US taxpayer money.

 

 

is the most corrupt county on the planet 

 

What a load of B/S

[Cameroni]

A British expert on German TV:

 

1 - Kursk gambit has failed, troops would have been much better used on the main front

 

2 - Another Ukrainian town has fallen to the Russians

 

3 - Missiles would make no difference in the course of the war, too few of them.

 

4. - Presdent Pawel of Czech Republic, a staunch Ukraine supporter, said it is now clear that Ukraine will have to cede territory, a victory is unlikely.

 

 

[zmisha]

26 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Kursk gambit has failed, troops would have been much better used on the main front

So the cat demonstratively shows to the mouse that attacking the mouse is not the main front and the cat is thinking about using its efforts to attack something else, right?

Where was the main front for Napoleon? To Moscow! Where was the main front for Hitler? To Moscow! And the last question - where is the main front for Biden and NATO? Come on, you can answer correctly! This is not too hard to figure out.

[problemfarang]

UPDATE:

 

Hello from 3rd assault brigade 2nd foreigner storm unit

we are holding our positions. We are fighting for the rest of the world! It is not easy. please understand us.. we are giving so much... it is not easy to be here.. 

 

please... help us.. help people who wants democracy.. who wants freedom.. who wants to choose freely they want to be with Europe but not with Russia.. 

 

feel that you helped us!!! feel happy with that feeling! everything helps...

 

this is my brigade website:  https://ab3.army/en/

and this is our drone team: https://terraops.info/

 

thank you!

 

PS: we got another village in Kursk!

PS2: we are again fighting with Wagner! 

 

Слава Україні! 

[Cameroni]

 

Kiev without power in large parts. Could be a cold winter in Ukraine.

[Danderman123]

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Kiev without power in large parts. Could be a cold winter in Ukraine.

Standard Soviet practice was to centralize hot water (used also for heating). So, Moscow is vulnerable to loss of heat, as well.

[tgw]

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

A British expert on German TV:

 

1 - Kursk gambit has failed, troops would have been much better used on the main front

 

2 - Another Ukrainian town has fallen to the Russians

 

3 - Missiles would make no difference in the course of the war, too few of them.

 

4. - Presdent Pawel of Czech Republic, a staunch Ukraine supporter, said it is now clear that Ukraine will have to cede territory, a victory is unlikely.

 

 

that's also why Putin is changing his nuclear doctrine... probably. right ? right ?  because Ukraine is about to lose, right ?

[Enoon]

 

6 hours ago, zmisha said:

So the cat demonstratively shows to the mouse that attacking the mouse is not the main front and the cat is thinking about using its efforts to attack something else, right?

Where was the main front for Napoleon? To Moscow! Where was the main front for Hitler? To Moscow! And the last question - where is the main front for Biden and NATO? Come on, you can answer correctly! This is not too hard to figure out.

 

The lesson has been learned.

 

Nobody is going to invade Russia with a view to capturing its capital and occupying the country.

 

Just as nobody is going to try and invade the other states with large, contiguous land masses as their power bases........India, China, USA, The European Alliance.

 

Someone would have to be a ******* idiot if they hadn't understood the impossibility of trying to hold down areas/populations (as an invading/occupying force) that large in the modern world.

 

Someone would have to be a ******* idiot to think that any high command would think it worth trying.

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Kiev without power in large parts. Could be a cold winter in Ukraine.

Highlighting more Russian war crimes, Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov already have ICC arrest warrants issued for targeting Ukrainian energy infrastructure.  

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, Cameroni said:

A British expert on German TV:

 

1 - Kursk gambit has failed, troops would have been much better used on the main front

 

2 - Another Ukrainian town has fallen to the Russians

 

3 - Missiles would make no difference in the course of the war, too few of them.

 

4. - Presdent Pawel of Czech Republic, a staunch Ukraine supporter, said it is now clear that Ukraine will have to cede territory, a victory is unlikely.

 

 

1 - Kursk gambit has failed, troops would have been much better used on the main front

Depends on the context. Ukrainian forces are still there, they have not decided to up and leave. The Russians have failed to drive them out. Hardly failed despite the apologist predictions.

 

2 - Another Ukrainian town has fallen to the Russians

More than a few towns have fallen to Ukrainians and Russia are now fighting in Russia

 

3 - Missiles would make no difference in the course of the war, too few of them.

This British Expert forgot to mention the huge successes Ukraine has had in knocking out massive Russian missile storage facilities within Russia with its own drones/missiles. So successful they will hamper Russian offensives in Ukraine in the short ter4rm and save many Ukrainian lives. Sort of does make a difference to the war!!

 

[Cameroni]

4 hours ago, tgw said:

 

that's also why Putin is changing his nuclear doctrine... probably. right ? right ?  because Ukraine is about to lose, right ?

 

The reason for President Putin's new nuclear doctrine are not found in the present, in any current military developments. Rather obviously the reason for the new doctrine is to send a clear warning to Western states about future actions, it has been made very clear that if Ukraine were to deploy missiles to hit targets in Russia, use drones on a grand scale in Russia, or send aircraft on a large scale  to attack Russian targets, then Russia will consider that sufficient resason to deploy tactical nuclear weaopns.

 

The West has a problem hearing and listening to Russia's warnings, this is why this has to be made clear, after all, that is why the war in Ukraine happened in the first place, the West not listening to Russia's concerns about Ukraine becoming a Western client state. The West did not listen and the war in Ukraine ensued.

 

Equally, whether or not permission is given by the US or not to use missiles, the Ukraine will try and hit Russia with missiles it made herself in an effort to draw the US into the conflict. It is for the US to decide if it allows itself to be dragged into a hot war with Russia by Ukraine, by providing Ukraine with missiles and allowing strikes on Russia. The warnings could not be made any clearer by Russia, but no doubt the shock and outrage will be great when the first tactical nuclear weapon is deployed. Then Putin can point to repeated warnings and say "I told you so, you did not listen". Just as he did with Ukraine in the first place in relation to NATO.

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[Bkk Brian]

A reminder about Putin's throwaway nuclear threats.

"1: #Ukraine has currently killed and wounded around 700,000 Russians - NO NUCLEAR RESPONSE.

2: Ukraine has invaded Russia & is currently occupying part of the country - NO NUCLEAR RESPONSE.

3: For over 2.5 years, Putin & his sidekicks have routinely threatened nuclear & ballistic missile strikes on countries who aid Ukraine with weapons - NO NUCLEAR OR MISSILE RESPONSE. 

4: Ukraine is routinely decimating oil refineries, ammo dumps & airfields in Russia - NO NUCLEAR RESPONSE.

5: Ukraine has shown Russia's unable to defend its borders and its airspace and that much of its armed forces and air defenses have been destroyed in Ukraine. So Putin starting a massive wider conflict isn't a good idea. 

6: Ukraine has shown Russia lacks the ability to produce significant numbers of long-range missiles & ammunition - and has had to beg Iran & North Korea for these. And it's very unlikely those countries would rush to defend Russia during a wider war. 

7: Putin knows any Russian nuclear strike on a NATO country would herald a massive, joint nuclear missile response that would devastate Russia. 

8: Putin also knows the Russian people & Russia's disgruntled military would not be in favour of a nuclear war with the combined Western world. They are growing tired of Putin's never-ending war in Ukraine - a war which Putin claimed would make Russia safer. 

9: And lastly, Putin's a blowhard sniveling coward. And like all cowards, he wont fire nuclear missiles at people who can fire nuclear missiles back."

 

One more, if the war criminal Putin unleashed a nuclear warhead in Ukraine he had better hope the wind does not bring the fallout back to Russia.

[Cameroni]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

1 - Kursk gambit has failed, troops would have been much better used on the main front

Depends on the context. Ukrainian forces are still there, they have not decided to up and leave. The Russians have failed to drive them out. Hardly failed despite the apologist predictions.

 

2 - Another Ukrainian town has fallen to the Russians

More than a few towns have fallen to Ukrainians and Russia are now fighting in Russia

 

3 - Missiles would make no difference in the course of the war, too few of them.

This British Expert forgot to mention the huge successes Ukraine has had in knocking out massive Russian missile storage facilities within Russia with its own drones/missiles. So successful they will hamper Russian offensives in Ukraine in the short ter4rm and save many Ukrainian lives. Sort of does make a difference to the war!!

 

 

1 Oh I am sure the Ukrainians will try to hold on to the land in Kursk. But tell me, do you think they will succeed? Putin cleverly saw through the gambit like the consumate chess player that he is, and refused to fall for the trap. He keeps his best troops where it mattered and will slowly flush out the Ukrainians in Kursk. No rush about that required.

 

2 if you think Ukraine is winning on the main front, I don't think you are well informed about current developments.

 

3 You misunderstood the British expert, he drew a very clear analogy when he explained that in the attacks on Serbia the West had to fly over 10000 bombing missions and that the Ukraine is simply incapable of mounting anything approaching such numbers so it is very unlikely that missiles against a number of Russian targets will have an effect on the war in the sense of defeating Russia. They won't. Again, Ukraine cannot win this war.

 

What about the last point, Brian, the fact that strong Ukraine supporter and former military man President Pavel of the Czech Republic has said there is no hope in the near future of Ukraine winnig the war and a negotiated peace is now the best option?

 

"In an interview with The New York Times (NYT) published on Sept. 23, Petr Pavel said the "temporary" occupation of some Ukrainian territories by Russia is the most likely outcome of Moscow's full-scale invasion.

"To talk about a defeat of Ukraine or defeat of Russia, it will simply not happen. So the end will be somewhere in between," he said, adding Kyiv needed to be "realistic.""

 

"Defeating Russia in Ukraine at the cost of killing half the Ukrainian population is probably not a victory."

 

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-responds-after-czech-presidents-temporary-russian-occupation-comments/

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

1 Oh I am sure the Ukrainians will try to hold on to the land in Kursk. But tell me, do you think they will succeed? Putin cleverly saw through the gambit like the consumate chess player that he is, and refused to fall for the trap. He keeps his best troops where it mattered and will slowly flush out the Ukrainians in Kursk. No rush about that required.

 

2 if you think Ukraine is winning on the main front, I don't think you are well informed about current developments.

 

3 You misunderstood the British expert, he drew a very clear analogy when he explained that in the attacks on Serbia the West had to fly over 10000 bombing missions and that the Ukraine is simply incapable of mounting anything approaching such numbers so it is very unlikely that missiles against a number of Russian targets will have an effect on the war in the sense of defeating Russia. They won't. Again, Ukraine cannot win this war.

 

What about the last point, Brian, the fact that strong Ukraine supporter and former military man President Pavel of the Czech Republic has said there is no hope in the near future of Ukraine winnig the war and a negotiated peace is now the best option?

 

"In an interview with The New York Times (NYT) published on Sept. 23, Petr Pavel said the "temporary" occupation of some Ukrainian territories by Russia is the most likely outcome of Moscow's full-scale invasion.

"To talk about a defeat of Ukraine or defeat of Russia, it will simply not happen. So the end will be somewhere in between," he said, adding Kyiv needed to be "realistic.""

 

"Defeating Russia in Ukraine at the cost of killing half the Ukrainian population is probably not a victory."

 

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-responds-after-czech-presidents-temporary-russian-occupation-comments/

They've already succeeded in holding Kursk what a daft question. They have also already said they plan to hold it indefinitely. 

 

Who said I thought Ukraine was winning on the main front currently? 

 

I did not misunderstand the British fella I assure you. I am British and understand the language and meaning very well thank you.

 

The last point on President Pavel and his statement, I read it before and?

 

Today, President Zelenskyy and I sat down again to discuss strengthening Ukraine's position on the battlefield and helping Ukraine rebuild stronger than before.

Two things are clear: Ukraine will win this war. And the U.S. will continue to stand by them every step of the way.

https://x.com/POTUS/status/1839428498412208619

 

 

[Rimmer]

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[Cameroni]

Channel 4 news from the UK has sent a reporter to the frontline city of Pokrovsk in Ukraine. He sent this report "Fury at Zelensky in Front Line City"

 

He reports Ukrainian soldiers are not talking victory but blame weakness on their front on Zelensky's incursion in Kursk.

 

He also reports on the fury of local inhabitants of Pokrovsk with Zelensky.

 

He also reports the Ukrainian strongholds of Vuledahr and Ukrainsk have fallen to Russian forces, who are now converging on Pokrovsk.

 

 

[Gweiloman]

44 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

1 Oh I am sure the Ukrainians will try to hold on to the land in Kursk. But tell me, do you think they will succeed? Putin cleverly saw through the gambit like the consumate chess player that he is, and refused to fall for the trap. He keeps his best troops where it mattered and will slowly flush out the Ukrainians in Kursk. No rush about that required.

 

2 if you think Ukraine is winning on the main front, I don't think you are well informed about current developments.

 

3 You misunderstood the British expert, he drew a very clear analogy when he explained that in the attacks on Serbia the West had to fly over 10000 bombing missions and that the Ukraine is simply incapable of mounting anything approaching such numbers so it is very unlikely that missiles against a number of Russian targets will have an effect on the war in the sense of defeating Russia. They won't. Again, Ukraine cannot win this war.

 

What about the last point, Brian, the fact that strong Ukraine supporter and former military man President Pavel of the Czech Republic has said there is no hope in the near future of Ukraine winnig the war and a negotiated peace is now the best option?

 

"In an interview with The New York Times (NYT) published on Sept. 23, Petr Pavel said the "temporary" occupation of some Ukrainian territories by Russia is the most likely outcome of Moscow's full-scale invasion.

"To talk about a defeat of Ukraine or defeat of Russia, it will simply not happen. So the end will be somewhere in between," he said, adding Kyiv needed to be "realistic.""

 

"Defeating Russia in Ukraine at the cost of killing half the Ukrainian population is probably not a victory."

 

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-responds-after-czech-presidents-temporary-russian-occupation-comments/

Some posters are so desperate for an Ukrainian victory that they completely ignore any negative news and events.

 

On the Kursk front, practically every analyst on both sides have stated that this was a major strategical error. It achieved nothing other than deploying much needed troops who are now stranded and likely to either be killed or captured. This reminds me of a cat playing with a mouse.

 

On the main front, I’ve seen multiple reports of Russian advancement. However, one would be hard pressed to get this news from western msm. It’s almost as if only one side of the narrative is allowed… As a result, many are uninformed and therefore continues to cling onto the Hope strategy.

 

All these isolated attacks on ammo depots etc are nothing more than scoring political points. Pin pricks really. Even the Pentagon acknowledges that these have little to no impact on the eventual outcome. But that’s all the Hope(rs) strategy people have.

 

One poster was delighted with the 7.9 billion new security assistance without realising that this is just a part of the previously approved 61 billion package. Desperate for good news indeed…

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Channel 4 news from the UK has sent a reporter to the frontline city of Pokrovsk in Ukraine. He sent this report "Fury at Zelensky in Front Line City"

 

He reports Ukrainian soldiers are not talking victory but blame weakness on their front on Zelensky's incursion in Kursk.

 

He also reports on the fury of local inhabitants of Pokrovsk with Zelensky.

 

He also reports the Ukrainian strongholds of Vuledahr and Ukrainsk have fallen to Russian forces, who are now converging on Pokrovsk.

 

 

Terrible. The horrors of Russia's illegal invasion and continued war crimes...........some great comments in that video on how well Ukraine is doing though after almost 3 years and still holding Russia to account.

 

Torture ‘a common and acceptable practice’ in Ukraine war, UN investigators say

In an oral update to members, Erik Møse, chair of the Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine, said it has documented new cases of torture committed by Russian authorities against civilians and prisoners of war in occupied areas of Ukraine and in the Russian Federation. 

“We gathered evidence of sexual violence used as torture, mainly against male victims in detention, and of rapes targeting women in villages under Russian control,” he said. 

“The wide geographic spread of locations where torture was committed and the prevalence of shared patterns demonstrate that torture has been used as a common and acceptable practice by Russian authorities, with a sense of impunity,” he added.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154706