5 year multiple entry DTV visa (Destination Thailand) from 2024-xx-xx

[Seppius]

2 hours ago, asia123 said:

I need some advice.

I'm currently in Vientiane and will be going to the embassy tomorrow.

I'm still undecided whether to obtain a Non O visa as usual or try to get the uncertain DTV.

If I apply for the Non O visa tomorrow I can receive it on Tuesday for sure and go back to Thailand on that day. 

However, if I try for the DTV tomorrow, I cant get non-o visa on Tuesday. Moreover if I end up not getting DTV I'll go for the Non O visa, but that means I won't receive non-o until the end of next week. 

 

If you can show B500,000 in a bank somewhere, and have proof of remote working I would go for it, but maybe just ask them first if you think you would qualify

Let us know how you got on

 

[DCXMX]

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11 hours ago, Rob Browder said:

There is nothing in DTV legal language about tax exemption, so 180+ days = income is taxable.  See your dual-tax treaty to know if it will affect you and/or how much.

 

 

In my case I would only do 89 days at beginning and 89 at end of year therefore avoiding this issue as its clearly stated 180+ days and you will be tax residence. For people doing more than those days I would be careful.

[asia123]

Just Now I’m in Vientiane embassy. 

it doesn't seem like everyone is getting the DTV. The agents don't seem to be mentioning DTV either…? 

[sallecc]

7 minutes ago, asia123 said:

Just Now I’m in Vientiane embassy. 

it doesn't seem like everyone is getting the DTV. The agents don't seem to be mentioning DTV either…? 

 

Did you ask them if you can apply for DTV? On their website it seems easy... Did you make an appointment?

[asia123]

I tried, but I was rejected. However, some other people were successful. They paid 10,000 baht.

[sikishrory]

Podcast here https://open.spotify.com/episode/3bBSwSjDyTUBzkKtaNeAdR?si=X8q7EIkXQsuVk1GlbehNXw discussing new visa changes including the DTV with an official on July 25th.
I just discovered it today. Maybe I missed it but I didn't see this anywhere in the forum.
It's a long listen and you can't increase speed so I made some notes with timestamps while listening.

Not happy with my notes? I don't care.
I added quote marks for quotes from the official.

 

9.45
Q - How many 60 day entries can you get per year?
A - Immigration have no set limit. "As many times as possible per calendar year".
Q - If doing this you can re-enter the next day?
A - "Not on the same day of course" as the entry stamp would still be the same day and (for example) you would be staying in Thailand 61 days.
Technically don't require onward ticket but it is recommended to have it in hand as the officer can ask for it.
At least 20,000 baht is a requirement.
Can be extended for 30 days at immigration.
Ultimately all at discretion of the immigration officer.

 

15.51
DTV
Q - Can pensioners living in Thailand 175 days a year (retirees?) use this visa? Is sufficient income / money in bank enough or do you need to prove what you are going to do in Thailand to get the visa? Can it be an overseas bank?
A- Stresses you should come with correct visa and purpose according to visa.
However if they meet requirements of DTV they can apply.
The money can be in Thai or Foriegn bank.
Can also be in other forms: "payslips, gauranteed letter from employer abroad, etc"
Property deed? = Nope.
Health insurance required? = At the moment "we do not have that requirement".
However they want it and may aim for it in the future.

 

20.25
DTV
Q - For muay thai (etc) do you need to be doing it for the duration of of the 5 years?
A - You can initially book it for "2 weeks / 1 month" whatever. "It doesn't specify how long".
To EXTEND THIS AT IMMIGRATION you need to provide this certificate / "confirmation letter" again for another muay thai course or other activity (cooking etc).
However re-entering the country instead of extending these technically are not required. "Only the first time".

 

22.33
DTV
Q - What is the definition of freelancer?
A - "Most importantly your employer is not in Thailand and your income must come from outside of Thailand". It can be a permanent remote job.

 

24.05
Q - Reduction of health insurrance on OA and OX visa categories?
A - Short answer = Yes, that was just a covid thing.

 

26.00
Interviewer comments - "Yea i guess it would be helpful if the paperwork (for visa applications) was stored in a computer at immigration". "But I guess we just have to wait" (lol)

 

26.30

DTV
Q - People are complaining this undermines their expesive elite visas.
A - It's not really the same visa. Elite has benefits.

 

27.10
TAX DTV
Q - Will thailand try to collect tax on foriegn income on the 5 year visas?
A - Dunno bro, not my department. But I will say that the regular tax rules will apply unless the visa has specific tax privelidges. 
"DTV does not come with these tax privelidges and falls under the requirements to pay tax if you stay more than 180 days "and import a foriegn income".
"On the question of will we tax foriegn income" go and talk to the concerned authorties. Not my department bro.

 

29.10
Q - Ed visa re-entry permit exemption?
A - ED+ = not needed.
Also mentions extensions and working post study.
Possbile auto upgrades from ED to ED+ for eligible people.

 

38.35
DTV
Q - Can you do ad hoc short work on the DTV?
A - No but you can change the visa to a business type in Thailand and get a work permit.
This is "another privilidge of the DTV visa"

 

41.15
The blacklist system

 

44.00
DTV
No plans to scrap the 90 day report. However DTV holders don't need to report.
Maybe I missed it but I didn't hear this discussed during the podcast.

Edited August 2 by sikishrory
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[atpeace]

On 8/1/2024 at 12:32 PM, Upnotover said:

And you won't be doing one in Laos.  You can however apply in person at the embassy/consulate.  

Thanks I didn't know this.

[atpeace]

1 hour ago, asia123 said:

I tried, but I was rejected. However, some other people were successful. They paid 10,000 baht.

What are you saying? It's being issued or it isn't?  Why was yours rejected and other were accepted?

[asia123]

I won’t know the exact reason unless I ask that person.

    1.    He said to bring an official balance certificate from the bank.
    2.    He also said to bring a transaction statement from the bank.

I was rejected when I printed out a web statement and brought it in.

Also, I only brought a single printed page of the webApp I created as a portfolio. That might have been a problem too?

Edited August 2 by asia123

[asia123]

I couldn’t hear well and didn’t know what was going on, but the guy who paid 10,000 baht and successfully obtained the DTV was showing something on his smartphone screen to the staff. I also saw a few others showing their smartphone screens to the staff. I don’t know what they were showing.

[atpeace]

1 minute ago, asia123 said:

I won’t know the exact reason unless I ask that person.

    1.    He said to bring an official balance certificate from the bank.
    2.    He also said to bring a transaction statement from the bank.

I was rejected when I printed out a web statement and brought it in.

Also, I only brought a single printed page of the webApp I created as a portfolio. That might have been a problem too?

Thanks!  Sorry it didn't workout. Expensive trip.

[ddartt]

42 minutes ago, asia123 said:

I couldn’t hear well and didn’t know what was going on, but the guy who paid 10,000 baht and successfully obtained the DTV was showing something on his smartphone screen to the staff. I also saw a few others showing their smartphone screens to the staff. I don’t know what they were showing.

 

They could've been showing their bank account balance in the online banking app. It might be worth offering to show those proactively in case the staff at the Embassy have doubts about the printouts. It won't harm for sure.

There are other reports (in other forums) that the Embassy in Vientiane is picky about the banking documents and even ask to get those certified in your country's Embassy (?!). Seems like Vientiane isn't the friendliest place when it comes to DTVs.

[Rob Browder]

46 minutes ago, asia123 said:

I won’t know the exact reason unless I ask that person.

    1.    He said to bring an official balance certificate from the bank.
    2.    He also said to bring a transaction statement from the bank.

I was rejected when I printed out a web statement and brought it in.

Also, I only brought a single printed page of the webApp I created as a portfolio. That might have been a problem too?

Yes, of course you would need to bring a Bank-Statement showing the 500K, which seems to be the primary thing they are concerned with - stamped by your bank. 
I am surprised if others were able to show something on a phone - will be guys making fake-bank-website clones, if that is allowed.

[Sumiyoshicho]

On 7/30/2024 at 12:32 AM, sallecc said:

 

There were success reports on FB, and also here on AN guy posted a picture of DTV visa (sticker) issued in Cambodia 🙂

Thanks. 

[sikishrory]

2 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

Yes, of course you would need to bring a Bank-Statement showing the 500K, which seems to be the primary thing they are concerned with - stamped by your bank. 
I am surprised if others were able to show something on a phone - will be guys making fake-bank-website clones, if that is allowed.

I cannot fathom spending hundreds of dollars on travel, accomodation and visa fees to go and apply for a visa which is already surrounded by uncertainty and not be carrying the most important document they require. 

 

[ddartt]

23 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

Yes, of course you would need to bring a Bank-Statement showing the 500K, which seems to be the primary thing they are concerned with - stamped by your bank. 
I am surprised if others were able to show something on a phone - will be guys making fake-bank-website clones, if that is allowed.

 

Those who apply in neighboring countries - like Laos, Malaysia, Cambodia etc - are most likely those who are already in the region (which is kinda the whole idea of remote working). Had they still been in their home country they probably would've applied there rather than going to the Embassy in Vientiane. Hence asking for an original physical stamp from the bank is an overkill considering the logistic difficulties of getting one remotely. A printout should be enough and some banks allow to authenticate the documents electronically.

 

While its possible to create a fake clone app of a banking app it'll likely be way more complicated than creating a fake statement printout with a fake stamp. Especially if one was to create a functioning app where you can click around etc.

[Rob Browder]

15 minutes ago, ddartt said:

Those who apply in neighboring countries - like Laos, Malaysia, Cambodia etc - are most likely those who are already in the region (which is kinda the whole idea of remote working). Had they still been in their home country they probably would've applied there rather than going to the Embassy in Vientiane. Hence asking for an original physical stamp from the bank is an overkill considering the logistic difficulties of getting one remotely. A printout should be enough and some banks allow to authenticate the documents electronically.

It seems to me, one would need to be applying using funds in a Thai or Laos bank if applying in Laos.  If in Malaysia, Cambodia, etc-  same, same.   This may not be the rule now, but I suspect it will be soon.  

 

Yes, those bank-letters could be faked, but Immigration accepts them in-country, and they are as tough as it gets.  Even the "agent" generated bank-letters ones are real - hence needing to put funds in the account (briefly) to get one generated.

 

As to the fake-app - a day or two of work from a basic-template, including working links - all just pulling up static-files/images.  I predict that will not be accepted for long either.

[Caldera]

19 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

As to the fake-app - a day or two of work from a basic-template, including working links - all just pulling up static-files/images.  I predict that will not be accepted for long either.

 

I'd be surprised if showing something on your phone was accepted at all. Not just because of the issue that an app could be fake, too, but because they cannot add any documentation of looking at a phone screen to their paper files. And we all know how much they love paper.

[asia123]

It might have been better to bring a balance certificate stamped by the bank.

I don't know what they were showing on their smartphones because I didn't see the screen.

 

It seemed like a lot of people were coming to Vientiane to obtain the DTV, judging by the way the receptionist spoke.

 

At least I saw someone paying 10,000 baht in front of me.

[asia123]

1. We need certificate from your bank

 

2. please contact your bank to sending you about pdf with your bank transaction

 

I transcribed what that man wrote and handed to me.

 

[sallecc]

Sorry to hear that @asia123 , hope the trip wasn't too expensive, probably not.

So Vientiane DTV seems it's not so good as we hoped... If they really need 'original' (or stamped? not clear about this) paper from the bank, then it will not be easy for us who are here in the region and our bank is overseas... In Kuala Lumpur embassy they always accepted my printed e-statement PDF files from my HK HSBC or EU OTP bank, for years (last month as well).

 

About the other applicants in embassy which were showing them their mobile phone banking apps - maybe the embassy staff wanted to double-check real-time balance after they got the printed statement first (this happened to me before, can't remember where).

 

Hope we will see more positive reports from Vientiane... Phnom Penh seems better option now, eh? There was positive report from there, and they didn't mention showing 'original' bank paper (it was Chinese couple as I recall, and they were traveling around SEA).

[lapamita]

anybody ( Office or readers ) can help out with a remote work contract or classs , thats ok for aplication, any help (wil offer financial compensation ) pls BM

or if anybody knows an Office webside

[save the frogs]

14 hours ago, sallecc said:

If they really need 'original' (or stamped? not clear about this) paper from the bank, then it will not be easy for us who are here in the region and our bank is overseas...

maybe pay for express shipping ie tell the bank to deduct it from your account?

FedEx is pretty fast overseas. 

[Sum Ting Wong]

A pic of my DTV stamp

[Maestro]

46 minutes ago, Sum Ting Wong said:

A pic of my DTV stamp

 

Thank you, @Sum Ting Wong, for posting you DTV arrival stamp. You applied on the basis of Muay Thay training, if I remember correctly.

[khlongtoey]

10 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

Thank you, @Sum Ting Wong, for posting you DTV arrival stamp. You applied on the basis of Muay Thay training, if I remember correctly.

 

if one applied today, and was approved say sept 1 , when is the deadline for 1st entry into Thailand? how many months?

[shdmn]

7 minutes ago, khlongtoey said:

 

if one applied today, and was approved say sept 1 , when is the deadline for 1st entry into Thailand? how many months?

It's good for 5 years.  That is your deadline for first and last entry.

60 months = 5 years

Edited August 3 by shdmn

[Seppius]

1 hour ago, khlongtoey said:

 

if one applied today, and was approved say sept 1 , when is the deadline for 1st entry into Thailand? how many months?

The 5 years start the day you get the visa, not when you use it first time

 

[Tod Daniels]

𝗦𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝗲𝗺𝗮𝗶𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗶 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘀𝘂𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗶𝗻 𝗛𝗖𝗠𝗖 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗴𝗼𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗶𝗻𝗳𝗼 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗗𝗧𝗩 (𝗶𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗽)

Dear Sir/Madam,

- With regard to your inquiries,

- Required Documents

1.1 A passport with a minimum validity of 6 months

1.2 A completed visa application form

1.3 A recent 4 x 6 cm photograph of applicant, affixed to the visa application

1.4 A financial statement for the past 6 months demonstrating a minimum balance of 500,000 THB

1.5 Documentation supporting the purpose of the visit

   1.5.1 Workcation:

Documents supporting the remote working status, which can be one of the following:

(1) an employment contract from an employer outside Thailand;

(2) an employment certificate from an employer outside Thailand;

(3) in case of self-employment, a professional portfolio demonstrating the status of a digital nomad, remote worker, foreign talent or freelancer.

   1.5.2 Activities: Proof of invitation or confirmation for the activity, or a letter of appointment from a hospital or medical center

   1.5.3 Spouse and Dependent Children (under 20):

(1) proof of relationship to the main DTV applicant/holder;

(2) a copy of the main DTV applicant/holder’s passport, including the personal data page and DTV page (if applicable);

(3) a copy of the marriage certificate (for spouse);

(4) a copy of the birth certificate (for children);

(5) a copy of the adoption certificate (for adopted children).

2. Processing Time: two working day

3. New Destination Thailand Visa (DTV) processing Fee: 340 USD

(Visa Fees are accepted in US Dollars only and in cash ONLY)

- Kindly note that all documents must be in English or Thai. If not, they must be translated.

- The Royal Thai Consulate-General in Ho Chi Minh reserves the rights to request additional documents, interviews, or to disapprove as deemed necessary.

- For appointment booking, please visit: https://hochiminh.thaiembassy.org/.../publ.../appointment...

(The Royal Thai Consulate-General does not accept walk-ins.)

- For application to apply visa, please visit: https://hochiminh.thaiembassy.org/.../publ.../appointment...

Best regards,

Consular Section,

Royal Thai Consulate-General in Ho Chi Minh City

77 Tran Quoc Thao Street,

District 3, Ho Chi Minh City

hochiminh.thaiembassy.org

[Tod Daniels]

^^^ That above email from the Thai Consulate in HCMC is a perfect reason that people need to go to the consulate they're going to apply for the DTV at and READ the requirements carefully. 

As you can see this consulate requires you show a balance of 500K baht for the previous 6 months (or that's how I read that) where as some consulates only require you have 500K baht IN the account when you apply

The Thai consulates around the world are free to set their own requirements for this visa. SO do you home work, don't think because xxx consulate requires yyy to get the visa that zzz consulate will be the same 🙂

Also just so you know the consulates set the pricing for the visa too 😮 
DTV COST
USA - 400 USD 
Australia - 600AUD
United Kingdom - 300GBP
HCMC/Hanoi - 340USD
Vientiane/Savannakhet - 10k baht 
New Zealand - 2,000 NZD
Ottawa/Vancouver - 650CAD
Kuala Lumpur/Penang/Kota Bharu - 1,600 Ringgit