5 year multiple entry DTV visa (Destination Thailand) from 2024-xx-xx

[Chops28]

A possible win for those with chronic illness to easily get DTV. Asked immigration in Hua Hin BluPort if it would be enough if I got a letter from a specialist at the hospital noting that I have diabetes and it requires ongoing monitoring and they said 'yes'. Much easier than trying to go the remote worker/digital nomad route. 

[racket]

7 hours ago, MPoll said:

I hope this hasn't been mentioned before but I just listened to a Bangkok Post interview with Naruchai Ninnad and it appears to clarify some of the questions that have remained after the RW4U YouTube interview. It is a 45 minute interview. It is a podcast. Richard Barrow posted about this on his Facebook page today (Aug 5) but to listen to the whole 45 minutes you have to listen to the podcast which I found by searching for "Deeper Dive Thailand". 

 

Why can't you just link it to us?

[Maestro]

8 hours ago, Chops28 said:

A possible win for those with chronic illness to easily get DTV. Asked immigration in Hua Hin BluPort if it would be enough if I got a letter from a specialist at the hospital noting that I have diabetes and it requires ongoing monitoring and they said 'yes'. Much easier than trying to go the remote worker/digital nomad route. 

 

Are you saying that the Hua Hin BluPort immigration agreed to issue you a DTV?

 

This would be a novelty.

[MPoll]

7 hours ago, racket said:

 

Why can't you just link it to us?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deeper-dive-thailand/id1656654945
 

Or access through whatever podcast app you use 

[Chops28]

8 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

Are you saying that the Hua Hin BluPort immigration agreed to issue you a DTV?

 

This would be a novelty.

No, we were talking in the context of applying via Cambodia later this year and what documents I needed. Since there is so little information currently on the soft power categories, I thought immigration may bring some clarity.

[Liquorice]

1 hour ago, Chops28 said:

No, we were talking in the context of applying via Cambodia later this year and what documents I needed. Since there is so little information currently on the soft power categories, I thought immigration may bring some clarity.

Why would you think Immigration could inform you of what documents would be acceptable at a Thai Consulate for a visa application.

Two entirely different entities.

 

https://phnompenh.thaiembassy.org/en/publicservice/destination-thailand-visa-dtv?page=5d73b14415e39c46f40076a1&menu=5d73b14415e39c46f40076a2

Edited August 6 by Liquorice

[lennois]

22 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Why would you think Immigration could inform you of what documents would be acceptable at a Thai Consulate for a visa application.

Two entirely different entities.

 

https://phnompenh.thaiembassy.org/en/publicservice/destination-thailand-visa-dtv?page=5d73b14415e39c46f40076a1&menu=5d73b14415e39c46f40076a2

He probably thought that because in a sane country it would be standard. You wouldn't see a visa advertised by the MFA for 10k then have to pay 42k depending on which embassy you go. 

[Tod Daniels]

ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS:

Unless I'm mistaken this is the FIRST Destination Thailand Visa issued by Vientiane Thai Consulate. .

This one was for being employed abroad but wanting to live here (work-cation/remote worker category) they said they supplied exactly what was listed on the website and were not asked for any additional documents

Congratulations to the applicant..

[CLW]

On 8/2/2024 at 12:12 PM, sikishrory said:

DTV
No plans to scrap the 90 day report. However DTV holders don't need to report.
Maybe I missed it but I didn't hear this discussed during the podcast.

Anybody could find official information about 90 day report for DTV holders?

 

And re-entry, you can do as much as you want and whenever you want? No need for re-entry permit?

So basically whenever you leave and re-enter the country you're being stamped plus 180 days?

[Rob Browder]

9 hours ago, MPoll said:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deeper-dive-thailand/id1656654945
 

Or access through whatever podcast app you use 

Found here also - if you don't have an apple account:
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-deeper-dive-thailand-105187259/episode/thailands-new-visas-199042247/

[george]

17 minutes ago, CLW said:

Anybody could find official information about 90 day report for DTV holders?

 

And re-entry, you can do as much as you want and whenever you want? No need for re-entry permit?

So basically whenever you leave and re-enter the country you're being stamped plus 180 days?

 

No need re-entry as this is a multiple entry visa.

[Maestro]

9 hours ago, Chops28 said:

No, we were talking in the context of applying via Cambodia later this year and what documents I needed. Since there is so little information currently on the soft power categories, I thought immigration may bring some clarity.

 

You may take the immigration official's information to mean that he will grant you a 6-month extension of stay for the reason you outlined if you opt to apply for it after having entered with a DTV visa.

 

As the Police order with the criteria and requirements for extensions doesn't seem to have been amended and published yet, it is useful for you have this advance assurance before applying for the visa in Cambodia. Thank you for having posted it.

[Maestro]

1 hour ago, CLW said:

...And re-entry, you can do as much as you want and whenever you want? No need for re-entry permit?

So basically whenever you leave and re-enter the country you're being stamped plus 180 days?

 

Yes to both questions.

 

[Maestro]

1 hour ago, CLW said:

Anybody could find official information about 90 day report for DTV holders?...

 

The requirement of the so-called 90-day report applies to all holders of a temporary permission to stay unless an exception is published for a specific type of permission to stay. No information about an exemption for DTV holders has been announced.

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 8/1/2024 at 10:13 PM, dcalaska said:

How does one sign up for a five-year Thai cooking class? 555.

You don't need to. Although one potential applicant was told a minimum 3 month course was required, another person was told there was no minimum duration needed. 

 

But nowhere was it ever suggested that whatever course you're on for the soft power option, would have to last five years.

[save the frogs]

No mandatory health insurance required for DTV ... yet.

But it may change later.

[MPoll]

9 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You don't need to. Although one potential applicant was told a minimum 3 month course was required, another person was told there was no minimum duration needed. 

 

But nowhere was it ever suggested that whatever course you're on for the soft power option, would have to last five years.

In the podcast interview he specifically said that you don’t need a 6 month course and casually mentioned that 2-4 weeks would qualify. I would think it will depend on each consulate.

[ElwoodP]

Topic is DTV, please keep on topic.

[Presnock]

On 8/4/2024 at 6:19 PM, lapamita said:

/ is  that true??

 

can not multiple go in and out of country ??

bcs i minimum travel 6 time a year in and out ????

 

true ??

sure seemed a lot different in the published interview with the deputy of the Foreign Ministry - his saying in and out, out and in as many times as one would want within the 5-years of the DTV.  If folks are "flocking" to this visa, then the government (both immigration, Foreign Ministry and Revenue Dept of Thailand should weigh it soonest.  Oh yeah and while they are at it all the details about tax situations for expats both this year and the status of talks about the subsequent years.  Best of luck to all here in Paradise.

[Tim K]

Russian guy applied for DTV at Hanoi
- letter in english from his job, stating his position, salary, remote work allowed
- statement from russian bank (have the same bank they provide statement in English, in RUB and USD on the same page).
- 6 month transactions history
- booking fully PAID for a hotel in Thailand

he was asked where is the contract?
  it is in Russian that is why i brought your a letter/certificate of employment

where are the payslips?
  well i have them in russian in my e-mail
ok we'll take your documents but bring the pay slips here translated (google is ok) until 3pm!

He did and is waiting 3 business days.

[asia123]

On 8/6/2024 at 3:46 PM, Tod Daniels said:

ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS:

Unless I'm mistaken this is the FIRST Destination Thailand Visa issued by Vientiane Thai Consulate. .

This one was for being employed abroad but wanting to live here (work-cation/remote worker category) they said they supplied exactly what was listed on the website and were not asked for any additional documents

Congratulations to the applicant..

Do you need 

1. Bank balance certificate and
2. Transaction detail ? 

Are they official documents from bank with a stamp?

 

Also, what kind of documents did you prepare to show a workation?

 

I also went there but failed.

[atpeace]

10 hours ago, Presnock said:

sure seemed a lot different in the published interview with the deputy of the Foreign Ministry - his saying in and out, out and in as many times as one would want within the 5-years of the DTV.  If folks are "flocking" to this visa, then the government (both immigration, Foreign Ministry and Revenue Dept of Thailand should weigh it soonest.  Oh yeah and while they are at it all the details about tax situations for expats both this year and the status of talks about the subsequent years.  Best of luck to all here in Paradise.

Can you please stop the tax talk.  There is another thread.  I'm not concerned in the slightest about the tax situation and if you are go to the other thread(s).

[atpeace]

1 hour ago, asia123 said:

Do you need 

1. Bank balance certificate and
2. Transaction detail ? 

Are they official documents from bank with a stamp?

 

Also, what kind of documents did you prepare to show a workation?

 

I also went there but failed.

Did you pay 10K?

[Tomtomtom69]

On 8/2/2024 at 11:56 AM, asia123 said:

I tried, but I was rejected. However, some other people were successful. They paid 10,000 baht.

 

Why were you rejected? Assuming you had the 500000 Baht or equivalent in a foreign or Thai bank account and could meet the other easy to meet requirements, it sounds like a piece of cake.

 

[Tomtomtom69]

3 hours ago, asia123 said:

Do you need 

1. Bank balance certificate and
2. Transaction detail ? 

Are they official documents from bank with a stamp?

 

Also, what kind of documents did you prepare to show a workation?

 

I also went there but failed.

 

WHY did you fail?

 

Surely they would have told you what documents you were missing?

[Tomtomtom69]

On 7/27/2024 at 11:59 PM, Sheryl said:

 

I would definitely not assume this.  It is unspecified how long an interval is needed after leaving the country and returning  but good bet IOs will often flag, question and even refuse entry to people whose entry history indicates long term (more than a year) residence in Thailand.  Same as they now do for visa exempt entries.  Of course possible some visa run companies will partner with a "flexible"  remote border outpost, again like with visa except entries. But this will not be risk free.

 

I expect that with time and experience some restrictions will be added on number of  entries per year. As happened with visa exempt entries. 

 

It is clear that the visa is not intended for people settling here permanently and there will surely be push back when it becomes apparent people are trying to use it that way. 

 

Should work for retirees who also spend significant time back home or travelling to other countries though. 

 

I doubt it.

 

The fact it's a 5 year visa indicates they are happy to have people use it for de facto residence.

 

With the non-O or non-B multiple entry 1 year visas, you can effectively live in Thailand by doing border runs (or better yet) spend a couple of days out of country every 2-3 months then return (you get 90 days on each reentry). Has never been an issue and no questions asked.

 

Only Ranong is sometimes a little fussy (they'll let you in, but might at first ask for 20000 Baht but if you pushback and show them your non O or non B they'll stop asking).

 

I think it will be the same with this visa, especially if you're spending a few days out of country every few months with the occasional 2 or 3 week absence.

[Tomtomtom69]

On 7/16/2024 at 3:47 AM, JoeyMac said:

 

If you believe this is the correct course, then why is no other single country in the world opted for an open border policy like this (which is effectively what the DTV visa is). 

 

A government first job is to protect it's citizens - which is massively important in a developing nation. Thailand is not a rich developed nation yet, where market forces treat homes like a comodity investment rather than some place to live. 

 

You don't have open borders in China, India, nowhere. 

 

A micro example would be Phuket. Rent has gone through the roof in many areas. In many areas local culture has been totally eroded and replaced by a Russian lifestyle, russian menus, russian signs.

 

Once rent goes up, locals will demand more wages, and cost is passed onto consumers. Local thai's forced out of their homes into lesser places. 

 

A crumbling infrustructure that can barely cope with the 40 million tourists they are going to achieve this year (a record), never mind 50,60,70 million more. 

 

Secondly, do you honestly think Chinese, Indians, Myanmar citizens who deal predominately in cash are going to pay any tax? Do me a favour. 

 

The invariable enviromental disaster it will cause with such mass cheap tourism.

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese citizens barely use cash anymore. It's all QR codes now. Very difficult to use cash in China these days.

[Tomtomtom69]

On 7/16/2024 at 6:16 PM, JoeyMac said:

 

 

Nothing in Thailand ever changes. The guy behind Sansiri property company is now prime minister. How the hell did that happen?

 

Thailand is about to change big time, and in my opinion prices are going to shoot up as rents get steeper, Thais forced out of their condos, Thais needing more money to live in condos because their rents have gone up, prices passed on to us. 

 

Only property developers in my opinion are going to benefit. Forget the tourism experience. This is going to be utter carnage and exploited to the chore. 

 

Those who are rejoicing because they save on a bit of a border run, and going to regret it when the country is just pure mass tourism to a level that is unsustainable and downrite ugly. 

Thais don't live in condos. They live in these great dwellings called houses.

[Tomtomtom69]

On 7/16/2024 at 6:55 PM, Rob Browder said:

With thousands more job and business opportunities?  How will they "suffer more"?  

 

Ok - then they should cancel all L "work visas" and bust those hiring foreigners illegally in a massive crackdown. 

Also, require all Non-B foreign-workers in skilled-jobs to be training a Thai who then replaces them at their job.

 

Why? Have you ever heard of an immigrant working in the west being replaced by a local down the line?

 

Nope, immigrants stay forever, bring their families and eventually push us natives out of a job. 

 

Not saying that's how Thailand should do it, but this notion that an expat should only be able to work here for a limited period and then be replaced by locals is pretty sad. You wouldn't be able to have a future here. Wouldn't be able to have a family unless you brought them all to your country.

[Tomtomtom69]

On 7/22/2024 at 6:52 AM, MeePeeMai said:

Before everyone here gets too excited about changing over to this new DTV, consider that you might not be able to get (or renew an existing ) Thai Driving License.

 

You might not be able to buy/sell a motorcycle or vehicle while on a DTV (without a Non Immigrant Long Stay Visa) and I doubt if you will be able to get a "Certificate of Residency" from Immigration, should you need one.

 

After all, this is a tourist visa, NOT a Non-Imm long stay visa.

 

I'm sure there will other challenges besides those I mentioned above.

 

Just a thought.  

 

Based on what? There's nothing to suggest a DTV holder won't be able to secure a certificate of residency through immigration (although some embassies still issue these) or more importantly given what I just stated, obtain a drivers license renewal. 

 

Of course I can't be 100% sure, but I don't think they'll treat the DTV like a tourist visa especially with its long validity.