Jeff the Chef Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) Almost 3,000 malnourished children are at risk of dying before their families’ eyes in Gaza, where the eight-month-long war continues, according to the UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF) as spokesperson James Elder told UN News on Saturday about the situation on the ground in the besieged and bombarded enclave. Speaking from Gaza, Mr. Elder described a dire landscape, with a focus on child malnutrition and the devastating impact of the ongoing conflict amid growing concerns of famine. https://news.un.org/en/interview/2024/06/1151131 Edited June 15 by Jeff the Chef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 4 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said: Almost 3,000 malnourished children are at risk of dying before their families’ eyes in Gaza, where the eight-month-long war continues, according to the UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF) as spokesperson James Elder told UN News on Saturday about the situation on the ground in the besieged and bombarded enclave. Speaking from Gaza, Mr. Elder described a dire landscape, with a focus on child malnutrition and the devastating impact of the ongoing conflict amid growing concerns of famine. https://news.un.org/en/interview/2024/06/1151131 Very very sad..... Other agencies say 3500 children are at risk and comment on the 'deafening silence from the international community.... Quote The Gaza media office said in a statement, "More than 3,500 children under the age of five are at risk of death in Gaza due to Israeli policies of starving children.” It pointed out "a severe shortage of milk and food, a lack of nutritional supplements, and the denial of vaccinations." https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israels-starvation-policy-in-gaza-puts-3-500-palestinian-children-at-risk-of-death/3238589#:~:text=The Gaza media office said,and the denial of vaccinations." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 minute ago, Neeranam said: Very very sad..... Other agencies say 3500 children are at risk and comment on the 'deafening silence from the international community.... https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israels-starvation-policy-in-gaza-puts-3-500-palestinian-children-at-risk-of-death/3238589#:~:text=The Gaza media office said,and the denial of vaccinations." The Gaza Media office says..........lol Hamas says you mean, not even the UN take their numbers seriously anymore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Media Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 An inflamatory personal attack has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted June 16 Popular Post Share Posted June 16 Lay the blame where it belongs, to Netanyahu and his murderous war cabinet. 1 1 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Man made famine happening in full sight of the international community and what is being done about it? I guess this is what a "deafening silence" sounds like. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Man made famine happening in full sight of the international community and what is being done about it? I guess this is what a "deafening silence" sounds like. More like an inhumane man made famine happening in full sight of the international community and what is being done about it? World leaders, governments and world leaders are having meetings and talking about it. What are they actually DOING about it? SFA. What would help mercy convoys would be armed soldiers with aviation back up from the UN, US, UK or the EU to ride the aid convoys and, first shoot to wound, then shoot to kill anybody who interferes with ANY aid convoy. If the Israeli government, the IDF, Hamas or illegal Israeli settlers want to inspect the aid convoy, simply tell them to FO and be willing to back it up. The time for talking is long past. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, billd766 said: Why do you persist in dragging up the same old off topic so often? It is stale and boring. Why not ask yourself that question? The UK is your country also. Because you and other folk are demonising Israel for sorting its aggressors out, yet your, my, others countries did the same thing to finish their problem. Why are you trashing a country when your own did the same, you even worked for the R.A.F. Scroll down to Germany........ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 45 minutes ago, transam said: Because you and other folk are demonising Israel for sorting its aggressors out, yet your, my, others countries did the same thing to finish their problem. Why are you trashing a country when your own did the same, you even worked for the R.A.F. Scroll down to Germany........ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties A nice history lesson but the topic is https://aseannow.com/topic/1328831-children-die-of-malnutrition-as-rafah-operation-heightens-threat-of-famine-in-gaza/page/2/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 7 hours ago, transam said: Because you and other folk are demonising Israel for sorting its aggressors out, yet your, my, others countries did the same thing to finish their problem. Why are you trashing a country when your own did the same, you even worked for the R.A.F. Scroll down to Germany........ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties I can only speak for me. I am NOT demonising Israel or its people. I am demonising the PM, Netanyahu, his Zionist war cabinet and the IDF for carrying out his orders and there is a vast difference. No modern army, especially one which is claiming to be the most moral military in the world (in their own words) wantonly slaughters innocent unarmed men, women. children and babies. Nor does it blockade an entire country by land sea and air, nor does it cut off food, water, sewage, medical supplies, destroys entire housing blocks, lays waste to the entire country that it has invaded, Nor does it allow its own "settlers" to steal and occupy the invaded country. During one of the last battles, the IDF "claimed" without proof, that they managed to kill 2 "terrorists". They actually slaughtered 45 men women and children and injured hundreds more. They then had the gall to claim it as a victory for Israel. Now if you think this is a good thing, then I feel so sad for you, but I prefer to save my sorrow and sadness for the innocent Palestinians who are starved and slaughtered every day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 13 hours ago, billd766 said: Now if you think this is a good thing, then I feel so sad for you, but I prefer to save my sorrow and sadness for the innocent Palestinians who are starved and slaughtered every day. How on earth can any human being think this is a good thing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 For God’s sake feed the children! The north of Gaza is utterly devastated while “paper-thin” children cling on to life, even when they are in hospital, said the UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF) Spokesperson James Elder, in an interview with UN News on Friday. https://news.un.org/en/audio/2024/03/1147891 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Senior US official says Israel not behind aid distribution woes in Gaza "As the IDF has stepped back, various violent actors have stepped in, to the point where the much-diminished Hamas enforcers cannot get control of independent families and gangs,” Leaf says, adding that humanitarian workers are facing incredibly high risks and that the US is working with Israel to ameliorate some of these issues. Aid organizations have argued that Israel’s continued military operations are the reason for the distribution bottlenecks, with convoys routinely held up or turned back at IDF checkpoints throughout the Strip. Israel announced that it would be implementing daily localized pauses to allow more aid to be distributed earlier this week, but aid groups say they have yet to lead to improvements on the ground. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/senior-us-official-says-israel-not-behind-aid-distribution-woes-in-gaza/ Over 1,000 trucks still waiting on the UN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted June 19 Popular Post Share Posted June 19 5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: Senior US official says Israel not behind aid distribution woes in Gaza "As the IDF has stepped back, various violent actors have stepped in, to the point where the much-diminished Hamas enforcers cannot get control of independent families and gangs,” Leaf says, adding that humanitarian workers are facing incredibly high risks and that the US is working with Israel to ameliorate some of these issues. Aid organizations have argued that Israel’s continued military operations are the reason for the distribution bottlenecks, with convoys routinely held up or turned back at IDF checkpoints throughout the Strip. Israel announced that it would be implementing daily localized pauses to allow more aid to be distributed earlier this week, but aid groups say they have yet to lead to improvements on the ground. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/senior-us-official-says-israel-not-behind-aid-distribution-woes-in-gaza/ Over 1,000 trucks still waiting on the UN. It's a good thing that Israel hasn't target the Hamas police force because otherwise the Israelis might be to blame...oh wait a minute Gaza aid delivery hampered by Israeli attacks on police, rising chaos https://archive.ph/kKz5W#selection-535.0-535.69 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 6 minutes ago, placeholder said: It's a good thing that Israel hasn't target the Hamas police force because otherwise the Israelis might be to blame...oh wait a minute Gaza aid delivery hampered by Israeli attacks on police, rising chaos https://archive.ph/kKz5W#selection-535.0-535.69 4 months ago, has that happened in Rafah? Not what the US official said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: 4 months ago, has that happened in Rafah? Not what the US official said. You think Gaza police are likelyto expose themselves to possible (likely?) Israeli attacks? In an area where warfare is ongoing or just recently ceased? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Just now, placeholder said: You think Gaza police are likelyto expose themselves to possible (likely?) Israeli attacks? In an area where warfare is ongoing or just recently ceased? I asked a question, why not answer it? 4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: 4 months ago, has that happened in Rafah? Not what the US official said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: I asked a question, why not answer it? Since Israel has never ackknowledged that it was targeting the police, why should I assume that it still isn't? At that time, was the gate at Rafah open? Has anybody said it's not happening? Why is it relevant that it was at that gateway? At the time of that report, that's was the only functioning gateway? I guess, the argument against what I'm saying could be that the Israelis acknowledged that they attacked police escorts. And now they're promising not to do it anymore. Except that the Israelis never acknowledged that they were targeting police. In fact, at the time they claimed that the problem was that it was the fault of organizations inside gaza failing to get get those supplies to where they belonged. In other words, they lied. There is no evidence of a police presence now in southern gaza. Why would the police expose themselves to an attack by the Israeli armed forces that never acknowledged that the police were a target in the first place? Aid groups say thousands of tons of supplies remain stranded in southern Gaza because conditions are too dangerous to move it. "There are now thousands of tons of food, medicine and other supplies stuck on the Gaza side of a border crossing mere miles from Palestinians who need them, the officials say. The grim scenario is part of the domino effect of the Israeli campaign in Gaza, which has toppled much of the Hamas government without installing an alternative. In much of Gaza, there are no police officers to prevent chaos, few municipal workers to clean up heaping mounds of rubble and trash and only the bare minimum of public services." https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/19/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 5 minutes ago, placeholder said: Since Israel has never ackknowledged that it was targeting the police, why should I assume that it still isn't? At that time, was the gate at Rafah open? Has anybody said it's not happening? Why is it relevant that it was at that gateway? At the time of that report, that's was the only functioning gateway? I guess, the argument against what I'm saying could be that the Israelis acknowledged that they attacked police escorts. And now they're promising not to do it anymore. Except that the Israelis never acknowledged that they were targeting police. In fact, at the time they claimed that the problem was that it was the fault of organizations inside gaza failing to get get those supplies to where they belonged. In other words, they lied. There is no evidence of a police presence now in southern gaza. Why would the police expose themselves to an attack by the Israeli armed forces that never acknowledged that the police were a target in the first place? Aid groups say thousands of tons of supplies remain stranded in southern Gaza because conditions are too dangerous to move it. "There are now thousands of tons of food, medicine and other supplies stuck on the Gaza side of a border crossing mere miles from Palestinians who need them, the officials say. The grim scenario is part of the domino effect of the Israeli campaign in Gaza, which has toppled much of the Hamas government without installing an alternative. In much of Gaza, there are no police officers to prevent chaos, few municipal workers to clean up heaping mounds of rubble and trash and only the bare minimum of public services." https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/19/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas Still avoiding the question then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: Still avoiding the question then If the question you're referring to is "Has it happened in Rafah?", then I have answered it. What's relevant isn't whether or not it has happened in Rafah but has it happened in Gaza. Ya think the Israeli armed forces are in one location are fundamentally different from another? What makes Rafah special? Actually, it can't happen in Rafah because there is no police presence there, as the NY Times article pointed out. And why would there be? Israel has never acknowledged it targeted the police much less whether or not it is still targeting police. That sends a message. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 4 minutes ago, placeholder said: If the question you're referring to is "Has it happened in Rafah?", then I have answered it. What's relevant isn't whether or not it has happened in Rafah but has it happened in Gaza. Ya think the Israeli armed forces are in one location are fundamentally different from another? What makes Rafah special? Actually, it can't happen in Rafah because there is no police presence there, as the NY Times article pointed out. And why would there be? Israel has never acknowledged it targeted the police much less whether or not it is still targeting police. That sends a message. So you don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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placeholder Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) 9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: So you don't know. Yes I do RAFAH, Gaza Strip/CAIRO, March 6 (Reuters) - Heads turned as the masked men with clubs walked down a Rafah street, part of a vigilante public security group set up by armed factions in Gaza after the civil police force went underground saying it was targeted by Israeli strikes. https://archive.ph/Qt9RM Edited June 20 by placeholder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 14 minutes ago, placeholder said: Yes I do RAFAH, Gaza Strip/CAIRO, March 6 (Reuters) - Heads turned as the masked men with clubs walked down a Rafah street, part of a vigilante public security group set up by armed factions in Gaza after the civil police force went underground saying it was targeted by Israeli strikes. https://archive.ph/Qt9RM How does that change what my link was about? "Senior US official says Israel not behind aid distribution woes in Gaza" Do you not believe the US official? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 41 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: How does that change what my link was about? "Senior US official says Israel not behind aid distribution woes in Gaza" Do you not believe the US official? Of course I don't. There are no police to protect the caravans from looters. The police are afraid of being attacked by the Israelis. So no deliveries are being made.Q.E.D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 41 minutes ago, placeholder said: Of course I don't. There are no police to protect the caravans from looters. The police are afraid of being attacked by the Israelis. So no deliveries are being made.Q.E.D. Got it, you don't believe the US officials, thanks. Why do you think the US is lying? Are the aid agencies also lying when they give different reasons than those you are giving? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 What is wrong with these settlers? Israeli settlers in Jericho block aid trucks heading to Gaza: Reports Israeli settlers have reportedly gathered at the eastern entrance to the occupied West Bank city of Jericho to block humanitarian aid trucks heading towards the Gaza Strip, the Wafa news agency reports. https://aje.io/b6bjuw?update=2986227 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: Got it, you don't believe the US officials, thanks. Why do you think the US is lying? Are the aid agencies also lying when they give different reasons than those you are giving? I think they're lying because what they say makes no sense. On the one hand, in the earlier instance, lack of police escorts was the reason deliveries weren't being made. But now, the lack of police escorts doesn't matter? They're contradicting themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 minute ago, placeholder said: I think they're lying because what they say makes no sense. On the one hand, in the earlier instance, lack of police escorts was the reason deliveries weren't being made. But now, the lack of police escorts doesn't matter? They're contradicting themselves. Yes you think, that the US is lying, the IDF is lying and the aid agencies are lying. I got that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Yes you think, that the US is lying, the IDF is lying and the aid agencies are lying. I got that. Where do the aid agencies say that the lack of police isn't a problem. This is from the NY Times The extreme anarchy that has gripped the Gaza Strip is making it too dangerous and difficult to distribute desperately needed aid in the south, relief groups and others say, despite a daily pause in fighting that Israel is observing along a key road there... The grim situation is part of the domino effect of the Israeli campaign in Gaza, which has toppled much of the Hamas government without any civilian administration to take its place. In much of Gaza, there are no police officers to prevent chaos, few municipal workers to clean up heaping mounds of rubble and trash, and only the bare minimum of public services https://archive.ph/EyDEn You think that there might be a relationship between anarchy and lack of policing? And we know that the police are afraid of Israeli strikes. And if the US contradicts itself, in a way that's transparently obvious, then, yes it's lying. Or, as it's sometimes called, diplomacy. As for the possibility that the IDF is lying...seriously? We know that they've lied in the past. What motive does it have to be truthful? Edited June 20 by placeholder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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