European Elections Spark Political Upheaval Across the Continent

[candide]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

 But Vietnam, for example, is very focused on economic growth and capitalism - is it far-right? Labels are quite dangerous, I think.  I have always thought of myself as 'left of centre', supporting women's choice (within term limits) and cannabis freedom, but I also support immigration controls, etc. I hate woke liberalism and am anti-war. Labels are divisive - what is Macron?  to me, he's a warmongering populist and very far from a real leftwinger.

Macron doesn't claim to be left-wing...

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

I think the only real credible ameliorating change is the introduction of Universal Income (basic income) across the developed world. I know that South Africa is right now about to introduce it.

I think a minimum universal income is a good idea from the capitalistic POV. Of course, from the socialistic POV, that would not be necessary since everyone's needs (not "wants) would be provided by the state as much as they could be with the assets available.

[Gaccha]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

from the socialistic POV, that would not be necessary since everyone's needs (not "wants) would be provided by the state

 

To quote Mr Marx, "society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic."

 

I love the idea of having the free time to go fishing after having a good argument at dinner, but I get a bit of a spine chill because Mr Marx is dangerously vague on how the state will be doing the regulating. It sounds like they ("society") will be regulating others, coercing others. 

 

The only way I can see to achieve this is "fully-automated luxury communism", where humans are no longer the slaves of the production mechanism but instead robots and AI do all the work. 

 

And I don't think this is a pipe dream. It would be absurd to imagine that capitalism will last another 500 years, so why not imagine this fully automated communism instead. I just don't believe it's possible yet.

[WDSmart]

2 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

 

To quote Mr Marx, "society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic."

 

I love the idea of having the free time to go fishing after having a good argument at dinner, but I get a bit of a spine chill because Mr Marx is dangerously vague on how the state will be doing the regulating. It sounds like they ("society") will be regulating others, coercing others. 

 

The only way I can see to achieve this is "fully-automated luxury communism", where humans are no longer the slaves of the production mechanism but instead robots and AI do all the work. 

 

And I don't think this is a pipe dream. It would be absurd to imagine that capitalism will last another 500 years, so why not imagine this fully automated communism instead. I just don't believe it's possible yet.

I think, like you, that communism is the final goal. I support socialism because I see it as a necessary step between capitalism and communism. 

I, however, do not share your vision of the future. I believe socially, economically, and especially environmentally, things are going to continue to swiftly erode. I predict that 500 years from now, humans will be extinct because of our hubris. Hopefully, we will not take all life with us when we go. I have written and published a book about this entitled The Icarus Syndrome since I see our (humans') fascination with technology, which has made us the dominant species on this planet, will eventually lead to our downfall.  

[Gaccha]

11 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The Icarus Syndrome

Was your book published by Harper? This looks interesting.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

The PM from Belgium resigned to , hopefully there will be a inquisition to find possible crimes he committed!

These globalist don’t have a clue as to the damage they caused sovereign citizen communities with their open borders policy.

methinks

 

 

It's a matter of opinion whether De Croo was a good PM, but I'm unaware that he committed any crimes while in office.

[WDSmart]

3 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

Was your book published by Harper? This looks interesting.

No, but it's sold in many online and a few brick-and-mortar bookstores. Here's a link to The Icarus Syndrome (books2read.com).

[BobBKK]

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

I amended my post after you saw it. Now, I'll say:

"Far-right," for me, is any movement that, governmentally, leans towards fascism and economically, leans towards capitalism.

I consider myself "far-left," and governmentally, I lean toward democracy, and economically, I lean toward socialism. 

A large difference between the left and liberals. I consider myself left of centre, but I loathe woke liberals who would consider me on the right.

[BobBKK]

55 minutes ago, candide said:

Macron doesn't claim to be left-wing...

Yes he does, in his book Revolution he said "I am a man of the left" when actually he is a warmongering opportunist.

[candide]

11 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Yes he does, in his book Revolution he said "I am a man of the left" when actually he is a warmongering opportunist.

He said that in 2016, I doubt he would tell the same now, as his policy is clearly not left-wing. Rather center or slightly right of center.

[0ffshore360]

34 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I think, like you, that communism is the final goal. I support socialism because I see it as a necessary step between capitalism and communism. 

I, however, do not share your vision of the future. I believe socially, economically, and especially environmentally, things are going to continue to swiftly erode. I predict that 500 years from now, humans will be extinct because of our hubris. Hopefully, we will not take all life with us when we go. I have written and published a book about this entitled The Icarus Syndrome since I see our (humans') fascination with technology, which has made us the dominant species on this planet, will eventually lead to our downfall.  

I believe that I understand your viewpoint. The weak point involves the (Our)(Human) "dependence" on technology as a determination of the viability of all human existence.

The variables of potential human demise have existed and have eventuated probably more times than is known either as self destructive civilizations  or victims of natural/cosmic  events alongside  other species.

Currently the  global population is being  held  ransom by and to bi pedal cockroaches calling themselves Political leaders !

500 years?  At best  50 !

[BobBKK]

34 minutes ago, candide said:

He said that in 2016, I doubt he would tell the same now, as his policy is clearly not left-wing. Rather center or slightly right of center.

 Maybe that's right, but it just shows he's an opportunist - a little while ago, he was chatting to Putin and hoping for a ceasefire. Now he's to the right of Ghengis Khan on the issue because he's worried about losing voters - but he's made a mistake, and the tide is turning.

[Seppius]

1 hour ago, Aforek said:

If the far right has an absolute majority, Macron will have to choose a prime minister from the far right Presidential elections take place in 3 years

Thank you,

[stevenl]

The swing to the right is not big enough for any direct policy changes. Also infighting in the right fractions divides them. So I don't see any drastic effects for the moment.

[Roo Island]

16 hours ago, JonnyF said:

People are clearly sick of being sold out by left wing politicians. 

 

Simply labelling their opponents "far right" in an attempt to discredit them will no longer work. The people want effective leaders and common sense policies. 

Or falling for the bs rhetoric of the far right. Sad times

[Roo Island]

11 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 Wrong again bro
 

 

Times of India?  Really stretching, eh

 

[Roo Island]

9 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 Times of India is pretty independent and Thank God for Oban

Dodgy. But gives what you want to hear. Sad

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-india/

 

Overall, we rate The Times of India Right-Center Biased based on reporting and story selection that favors the right-leaning ruling party. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to four failed fact checks.

[Roo Island]

6 hours ago, BobBKK said:

A large difference between the left and liberals. I consider myself left of centre, but I loathe woke liberals who would consider me on the right.

You are definitely not left of center. Using the term woke puts you in the far right

[CallumWK]

7 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

6 hours ago, BobBKK said:

A large difference between the left and liberals. I consider myself left of centre, but I loathe woke liberals who would consider me on the right.

You are definitely not left of center. Using the term woke puts you in the far right

 

I think Bob was talking about your political siding, but I guess that went over your head

[rabas]

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Dodgy. But gives what you want to hear. Sad

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-india/

 

Overall, we rate The Times of India Right-Center Biased based on reporting and story selection that favors the right-leaning ruling party. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to four failed fact checks.

 

Correct. They'll publish anything left or right but often distort it into clickbait, like youtube.  Like they twisted Orban's pre-election 'peace march' to be a broad EU anti-war movement. Anything to get your attention. 

 

We are rapidly moving from the soundbite into clickbait era. No info required. 

 

[impulse]

MAGA hats are red. 

 

I wonder what color the new MEGA hats will be? 

 

(And whether they'll trigger lefty heads to explode on the street like the red ones?)

 

Edited June 11 by impulse

[JonnyF]

19 hours ago, candide said:

He said that in 2016, I doubt he would tell the same now, as his policy is clearly not left-wing. Rather center or slightly right of center.

 

He blows with the wind.

 

He can see what everyone can see. The right is gaining ground across Europe after years of its citizens being sold out by the left. Hence, he is moving to the right. Quelle surprise.

 

He's got about the same amount of principles, backbone and integrity as Starmer. 

[JonnyF]

13 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Or falling for the bs rhetoric of the far right. Sad times

 

Who are these "far right" you speak of?

 

Presumably anyone who isn't a blue haired, gender fluid, Hamas loving, EU worshipping, self loathing, pearl clutching antisemite? 😃

[RayC]

50 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Who are these "far right" you speak of? 

 

That'll be the NF in France, Fidesz in Hungary, Vlaams Belang in Belgium, AfD in Germany amongst others.

[candide]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

He blows with the wind.

 

He can see what everyone can see. The right is gaining ground across Europe after years of its citizens being sold out by the left. Hence, he is moving to the right. Quelle surprise.

 

He's got about the same amount of principles, backbone and integrity as Starmer. 

So do otners, such as Marine Le Pen. She was initially pro-Frexit, then changed her tune as she found out there was not much wind blowing in this direction.! 😁

[Roo Island]

19 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

I think Bob was talking about your political siding, but I guess that went over your head

Nope. Anyone who uses the term Woke has drank the kool-aid

[Roo Island]

9 hours ago, impulse said:

MAGA hats are red. 

 

I wonder what color the new MEGA hats will be? 

 

(And whether they'll trigger lefty heads to explode on the street like the red ones?)

 

Pink?

[Roo Island]

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Who are these "far right" you speak of?

 

Presumably anyone who isn't a blue haired, gender fluid, Hamas loving, EU worshipping, self loathing, pearl clutching antisemite? 😃

Clueless

[riclag]

12 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Who are these "far right" you speak of?

 

Presumably anyone who isn't a blue haired, gender fluid, Hamas loving, EU worshipping, self loathing, pearl clutching antisemite? 😃

It ain’t the far right we have to worry about ! Its the demonic cult of the violent left!  
 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 6/10/2024 at 5:45 PM, BobBKK said:

Macron getting defeated is such GOOD NEWS!  coupled with the HUGE anti-war protests in Hungary, I do believe that many people are finally waking up to the proxy war! 

You can fool some of the people some of the time...

Unfortunately Macron wasn't defeated. Apparently he remains as president even if the vote goes right wing. In that case he may have a right wing PM.

 

This swing to the right is entirely the fault of the liberals with their loony policies on letting in anyone that turns up on a boat, and other well known stupidities.