UN Security Council Approves US-Led Ceasefire Plan for Israel-Gaza Conflict

[MalcolmB]

They hate each other with passion.

They will never stop.

 

Probably time for the Jews togo back to where they came from.

[Bkk Brian]

  On 6/11/2024 at 10:06 AM, Presto said:

Palestinians in Israel have no freedom of movement. Look it up.

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Best you do that first, they make up nearly 20% of the Israeli population, some even joined the IDF 

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 6/11/2024 at 10:06 AM, Presto said:

Palestinians in Israel have no freedom of movement. Look it up.

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  You need to provide a link to back up your claim 

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 6/11/2024 at 10:06 AM, MalcolmB said:

They hate each other with passion.

They will never stop.

 

Probably time for the Jews togo back to where they came from.

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   Jews came from Israel . 

Palestinians  came from the surrounding areas 

[Presto]

  On 6/11/2024 at 10:10 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You need to provide a link to back up your claim 

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More info for you, about supposed equal rights.

https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/02/the-many-civil-and-human-rights-challenges-facing-israels-palestinian-citizens?lang=en&center=global

 

And about freedom of movement.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement

[Neeranam]

  On 6/11/2024 at 10:12 AM, Presto said:

More info for you, about supposed equal rights.

https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/02/the-many-civil-and-human-rights-challenges-facing-israels-palestinian-citizens?lang=en&center=global

 

And about freedom of movement.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement

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Anyone that thinks they have equal rights obviously have done no research or never lived there 

[Bkk Brian]

  On 6/11/2024 at 10:17 AM, Neeranam said:

Anyone that thinks they have equal rights obviously have done no research or never lived there 

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Who claimed they have exact equal rights. Making things up again

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 6/11/2024 at 10:12 AM, Presto said:

More info for you, about supposed equal rights.

https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/02/the-many-civil-and-human-rights-challenges-facing-israels-palestinian-citizens?lang=en&center=global

 

And about freedom of movement.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement

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 The first link refers  to security measures taken after the Oct 7 th terror attack and the second link is about Non Israeli citizens .

   Palestinian Israelis live with equal rights in Israel before Palestains waged war on Israel on Oct 7 th 

 

Anyway , better to get back on toic

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 6/11/2024 at 10:17 AM, Neeranam said:

Anyone that thinks they have equal rights obviously have done no research or never lived there 

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  I have lived in both Israel and the West bank and I have also been to Gaza 

[WDSmart]

  On 6/10/2024 at 10:03 PM, Social Media said:

The first phase emphasizes a hostage-prisoner swap and a short-term ceasefire. This initial step is seen as crucial for building trust between the conflicting parties and setting the stage for more comprehensive peace measures.

 

The second phase is focused on achieving a permanent end to hostilities. This includes a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza, which is considered essential for lasting peace in the region. The text of the US draft resolution clearly outlines this goal, marking a significant step towards de-escalation.

 

The third phase of the plan looks towards the future of Gaza, proposing a multi-year reconstruction plan. This phase is designed to address the extensive destruction that Gaza has endured due to ongoing conflicts, aiming to rebuild the region and improve living conditions for its residents.

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I think the first phase of the plan should be changed to be a return of most but not all of the hostages in return for a short-term ceasefire.

The second phase of the plan could then include the return of the rest of the hostages after a full withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza.

The plan's third phase should also include the beginning of discussions on a two-state solution.

Participation and execution of all the phases should be enforced by a third-party (like the UN) peacekeeping force.

This is basically the plan I suggested on another forum over six months ago. 

[Presto]

  On 6/11/2024 at 10:26 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 The first link refers  to security measures taken after the Oct 7 th terror attack and the second link is about Non Israeli citizens .

   Palestinian Israelis live with equal rights in Israel before Palestains waged war on Israel on Oct 7 th 

 

Anyway , better to get back on toic

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You do understand the meaning of the English words 'increased discrimination'?

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 6/11/2024 at 10:53 AM, Presto said:

You do understand the meaning of the English words 'increased discrimination'?

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  Yes, I do understand the meaning of the English words 'increased discrimination' , BUT , those were not the words being discussed 

[Bkk Brian]

  On 6/11/2024 at 6:45 AM, Neeranam said:

You seem to think it is only Hamas that have been doing anything wrong. Rather blinkered. This who mess was started by Israel. 

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The mess as you put it was the war started by Hamas on Oct 7th and the continuing holding of innocent hostages.

[Neeranam]

  On 6/11/2024 at 10:42 AM, WDSmart said:

I think the first phase of the plan should be changed to be a return of most but not all of the hostages in return for a short-term ceasefire.

The second phase of the plan could then include the return of the rest of the hostages after a full withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza.

The plan's third phase should also include the beginning of discussions on a two-state solution.

Participation and execution of all the phases should be enforced by a third-party (like the UN) peacekeeping force.

This is basically the plan I suggested on another forum over six months ago. 

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How about returning half of the captives in return for 1,000 Palestinians in Israeli jails with no trial?

Then returning all stolen Palestine land in return of the remaining captives. 

This would be a good start. 

[Bkk Brian]

  On 6/11/2024 at 11:07 AM, Neeranam said:

How about returning half of the captives in return for 1,000 Palestinians in Israeli jails with no trial?

Then returning all stolen Palestine land in return of the remaining captives. 

This would be a good start. 

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How about returning half of the captives

 

Reached the lowest of the low. They are hostages Neeranam. 

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 6/11/2024 at 11:07 AM, Neeranam said:

How about returning half of the captives in return for 1,000 Palestinians in Israeli jails with no trial?

 

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   Those prisoners  are people who were about to carry out terror attacks against Israel , Israel cannot bring them to trial because Israel would have to revel their evidence and that  would jeopardise the Israeli agents operating in the West Bank 

[johng]

  On 6/11/2024 at 11:15 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

Israel cannot bring them to trial because Israel would have to revel their evidence and that  would jeopardise the Israeli agents operating in the West Bank

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That is the lamest excuse I've ever heard !!

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[Nick Carter icp]

  On 6/11/2024 at 11:20 AM, johng said:

 

That is the lamest excuse I've ever heard !!

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  It is the truth and the reality .

Why would Israel want to keep people in jail for no reason ?

[johng]

  On 6/11/2024 at 11:27 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

Why would Israel want to keep people in jail for no reason ?

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You just "revealed"  the reason  they keep them in jail for no reason 

"Israel cannot bring them to trial because Israel would have to revel their evidence and that  would jeopardise the Israeli agents operating in the West Bank  "

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 6/11/2024 at 11:36 AM, johng said:

 

You just "revealed"  the reason  they keep them in jail for no reason 

"Israel cannot bring them to trial because Israel would have to revel their evidence and that  would jeopardise the Israeli agents operating in the West Bank  "

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   I didn't reveal that . 

Israel does have  reason to keep them in jail , its just that a court case would revel the Palestinian  informants in the West bank and they would be killed , so they are kept in jail without a trial 

[BobBKK]

  On 6/11/2024 at 7:07 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

What is likely is that if Hamas is eliminated the organization that replaces it will be more violent against israelis.

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 They will never eliminate it - just create hatred to be served up later.

[johng]

  On 6/11/2024 at 11:42 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

they are kept in jail without a trial 

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Yep extremely democratic and up to international standards  !!!!!   NOT !!!

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 6/11/2024 at 11:45 AM, johng said:

Yep extremely democratic and up to international standards  !!!!!   NOT !!!

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   Like the prisoners in Guantanamo bay ?

They were also held without trial 

[johng]

  On 6/11/2024 at 11:57 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Like the prisoners in Guantanamo bay ?

They were also held without trial 

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Exactly like those prisoners.

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 6/11/2024 at 11:59 AM, johng said:

Exactly like those prisoners.

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  Hamas doesn't want the Palestinians held without trial released though, they want convicted terrorists relapsed .

   The terrorists who organised the Oct 7 terror attack were former Israeli prisoners ( convicted mass murderers)  who were released in exchange for hostages 

[Bkk Brian]

Blinken's message:

 

So my message to governments throughout the region, to people throughout the region is if you want a ceasefire.

Press Hamas to say yes, if you want to alleviate the terrible suffering of Palestinians in Gaza press Hamas to say yes, if you want to get all the hostages home, Hamas to say yes, if you want to put Israelis and Palestinians alike on the path to more durable peace and security.

Press Hamas to say yes, if you want to prevent this conflict from spreading Hamas to say yes.

So the only party that has not accepted, the only party that's not said yes.

Is Hamas.

[Jeff the Chef]

  On 6/11/2024 at 11:01 AM, Bkk Brian said:

The mess as you put it was the war started by Hamas on Oct 7th and the continuing holding of innocent hostages.

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Yeah we know, cos we get told the same old garbage day, after day. after day, the fact that the clock started ticking donkey's years before the 7th is not important to you but go ask the Palestinians that have lived with Israel's nonsense since for 70 odd years.

[Jeff the Chef]

The prospect of a hostage deal between Israel and Hamas appears to be rapidly receding after the far-right Israeli cabinet member Bezalel Smotrich – on whom Benjamin Netanyahu is now reliant after the resignations of more moderate ministers at the weekend – said he would oppose a deal.

Smotrich’s comments, during a Knesset committee meeting, came amid the fallout from the resignation of the former army chief of staff Benny Gantz from the war cabinet. Gantz quit on the same weekend that Israel rescued four Israeli hostages held in Gaza in an operation that Gaza’s health ministry said killed more than 270 Palestinians and injured hundreds more.

The departure of Gantz, the leader of the centre-right National Unity party, leaves Netanyahu with enough seats in his coalition but has made him even more reliant on the support of far-right allies including Smotrich, the finance minister, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, the national security minister, who have repeatedly threatened to walk away over any deal for a ceasefire in exchange for hostages.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/10/israel-hostage-deal-far-right-israeli-minister-signals-opposition

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