MalcolmB Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 They hate each other with passion. They will never stop. Probably time for the Jews togo back to where they came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 minute ago, Presto said: Palestinians in Israel have no freedom of movement. Look it up. Best you do that first, they make up nearly 20% of the Israeli population, some even joined the IDF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 minutes ago, Presto said: Palestinians in Israel have no freedom of movement. Look it up. You need to provide a link to back up your claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said: They hate each other with passion. They will never stop. Probably time for the Jews togo back to where they came from. Jews came from Israel . Palestinians came from the surrounding areas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: You need to provide a link to back up your claim More info for you, about supposed equal rights. https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/02/the-many-civil-and-human-rights-challenges-facing-israels-palestinian-citizens?lang=en¢er=global And about freedom of movement. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement Edited June 11 by Presto 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 4 minutes ago, Presto said: More info for you, about supposed equal rights. https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/02/the-many-civil-and-human-rights-challenges-facing-israels-palestinian-citizens?lang=en¢er=global And about freedom of movement. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement Anyone that thinks they have equal rights obviously have done no research or never lived there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 6 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Anyone that thinks they have equal rights obviously have done no research or never lived there Who claimed they have exact equal rights. Making things up again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 9 minutes ago, Presto said: More info for you, about supposed equal rights. https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/02/the-many-civil-and-human-rights-challenges-facing-israels-palestinian-citizens?lang=en¢er=global And about freedom of movement. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement The first link refers to security measures taken after the Oct 7 th terror attack and the second link is about Non Israeli citizens . Palestinian Israelis live with equal rights in Israel before Palestains waged war on Israel on Oct 7 th Anyway , better to get back on toic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 9 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Anyone that thinks they have equal rights obviously have done no research or never lived there I have lived in both Israel and the West bank and I have also been to Gaza 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 12 hours ago, Social Media said: The first phase emphasizes a hostage-prisoner swap and a short-term ceasefire. This initial step is seen as crucial for building trust between the conflicting parties and setting the stage for more comprehensive peace measures. The second phase is focused on achieving a permanent end to hostilities. This includes a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza, which is considered essential for lasting peace in the region. The text of the US draft resolution clearly outlines this goal, marking a significant step towards de-escalation. The third phase of the plan looks towards the future of Gaza, proposing a multi-year reconstruction plan. This phase is designed to address the extensive destruction that Gaza has endured due to ongoing conflicts, aiming to rebuild the region and improve living conditions for its residents. I think the first phase of the plan should be changed to be a return of most but not all of the hostages in return for a short-term ceasefire. The second phase of the plan could then include the return of the rest of the hostages after a full withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza. The plan's third phase should also include the beginning of discussions on a two-state solution. Participation and execution of all the phases should be enforced by a third-party (like the UN) peacekeeping force. This is basically the plan I suggested on another forum over six months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 26 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The first link refers to security measures taken after the Oct 7 th terror attack and the second link is about Non Israeli citizens . Palestinian Israelis live with equal rights in Israel before Palestains waged war on Israel on Oct 7 th Anyway , better to get back on toic You do understand the meaning of the English words 'increased discrimination'? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, Presto said: You do understand the meaning of the English words 'increased discrimination'? Yes, I do understand the meaning of the English words 'increased discrimination' , BUT , those were not the words being discussed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 4 hours ago, Neeranam said: You seem to think it is only Hamas that have been doing anything wrong. Rather blinkered. This who mess was started by Israel. The mess as you put it was the war started by Hamas on Oct 7th and the continuing holding of innocent hostages. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Neeranam Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 22 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I think the first phase of the plan should be changed to be a return of most but not all of the hostages in return for a short-term ceasefire. The second phase of the plan could then include the return of the rest of the hostages after a full withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza. The plan's third phase should also include the beginning of discussions on a two-state solution. Participation and execution of all the phases should be enforced by a third-party (like the UN) peacekeeping force. This is basically the plan I suggested on another forum over six months ago. How about returning half of the captives in return for 1,000 Palestinians in Israeli jails with no trial? Then returning all stolen Palestine land in return of the remaining captives. This would be a good start. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, Neeranam said: How about returning half of the captives in return for 1,000 Palestinians in Israeli jails with no trial? Then returning all stolen Palestine land in return of the remaining captives. This would be a good start. How about returning half of the captives Reached the lowest of the low. They are hostages Neeranam. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 5 minutes ago, Neeranam said: How about returning half of the captives in return for 1,000 Palestinians in Israeli jails with no trial? Those prisoners are people who were about to carry out terror attacks against Israel , Israel cannot bring them to trial because Israel would have to revel their evidence and that would jeopardise the Israeli agents operating in the West Bank 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Israel cannot bring them to trial because Israel would have to revel their evidence and that would jeopardise the Israeli agents operating in the West Bank That is the lamest excuse I've ever heard !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Media Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 A post and reply have been removed. Please refer to the hostages taken by Hamas by what they are and what the "UN and International bodies refer to them as". Hostages, not captives. Comment on moderation also removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 6 minutes ago, johng said: That is the lamest excuse I've ever heard !! It is the truth and the reality . Why would Israel want to keep people in jail for no reason ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Why would Israel want to keep people in jail for no reason ? You just "revealed" the reason they keep them in jail for no reason "Israel cannot bring them to trial because Israel would have to revel their evidence and that would jeopardise the Israeli agents operating in the West Bank " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, johng said: You just "revealed" the reason they keep them in jail for no reason "Israel cannot bring them to trial because Israel would have to revel their evidence and that would jeopardise the Israeli agents operating in the West Bank " I didn't reveal that . Israel does have reason to keep them in jail , its just that a court case would revel the Palestinian informants in the West bank and they would be killed , so they are kept in jail without a trial 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: What is likely is that if Hamas is eliminated the organization that replaces it will be more violent against israelis. They will never eliminate it - just create hatred to be served up later. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: they are kept in jail without a trial Yep extremely democratic and up to international standards !!!!! NOT !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 9 minutes ago, johng said: Yep extremely democratic and up to international standards !!!!! NOT !!! Like the prisoners in Guantanamo bay ? They were also held without trial 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said: Like the prisoners in Guantanamo bay ? They were also held without trial Exactly like those prisoners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 7 minutes ago, johng said: Exactly like those prisoners. Hamas doesn't want the Palestinians held without trial released though, they want convicted terrorists relapsed . The terrorists who organised the Oct 7 terror attack were former Israeli prisoners ( convicted mass murderers) who were released in exchange for hostages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Blinken's message: So my message to governments throughout the region, to people throughout the region is if you want a ceasefire. Press Hamas to say yes, if you want to alleviate the terrible suffering of Palestinians in Gaza press Hamas to say yes, if you want to get all the hostages home, Hamas to say yes, if you want to put Israelis and Palestinians alike on the path to more durable peace and security. Press Hamas to say yes, if you want to prevent this conflict from spreading Hamas to say yes. So the only party that has not accepted, the only party that's not said yes. Is Hamas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeff the Chef Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: The mess as you put it was the war started by Hamas on Oct 7th and the continuing holding of innocent hostages. Yeah we know, cos we get told the same old garbage day, after day. after day, the fact that the clock started ticking donkey's years before the 7th is not important to you but go ask the Palestinians that have lived with Israel's nonsense since for 70 odd years. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeff the Chef Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 The prospect of a hostage deal between Israel and Hamas appears to be rapidly receding after the far-right Israeli cabinet member Bezalel Smotrich – on whom Benjamin Netanyahu is now reliant after the resignations of more moderate ministers at the weekend – said he would oppose a deal. Smotrich’s comments, during a Knesset committee meeting, came amid the fallout from the resignation of the former army chief of staff Benny Gantz from the war cabinet. Gantz quit on the same weekend that Israel rescued four Israeli hostages held in Gaza in an operation that Gaza’s health ministry said killed more than 270 Palestinians and injured hundreds more. The departure of Gantz, the leader of the centre-right National Unity party, leaves Netanyahu with enough seats in his coalition but has made him even more reliant on the support of far-right allies including Smotrich, the finance minister, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, the national security minister, who have repeatedly threatened to walk away over any deal for a ceasefire in exchange for hostages. https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/10/israel-hostage-deal-far-right-israeli-minister-signals-opposition 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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