Harvard Scientists Suggest UFOs May Indicate a Hidden Civilization on Earth

[sikishrory]

It's interesting how the US always seem to be the ones going on about aliens. I don't see any other countries talking about it with the same interest or legitimacy.

Yeh there are some very strange things that don't make sense but aliens living in the ground. Hmmm

[The Theory]

The X-Files reopened 🤔

 

[Purdey]

It's the speed of light that is the obstacle to inter Galaxy travel. 

The idea that anything with advanced technology could hide on earth with all the satellites we have today is another obstacle to belief.

[stoner]

12 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I bet we know less than 1% about our universe

 

probably much less than that.

[impulse]

Did anything ever come of Phil Schneider and the gunfight at Dulce Base in New Mexico?

 

https://allthatsinteresting.com/dulce-base

 

I don't recall anyone definitively debunking his story.  And obviously, nobody has definitively confirmed it.

 

I'd add that Dulce Base is a really deeeep rabbit hole, worthy of a rainy afternoon of Googling.

 

 

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[Celsius]

6 hours ago, Social Media said:

extraterrestrial being

 

Also known as non binary.

 

Hey, it's Harvard.

[soalbundy]

4 hours ago, tandor said:

so Mum was correct..there are elves and faiies living at the bottom of the garden  

They only show themselves at 'pride' events.

[expat_4_life]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Ironic innit, when the white lab coats tell you to wear masks and stay home folks jump to but when they present an alternative theory regarding out civilization they're laughed at.

 

The lab coats do it for the proverbial  "it needs further research, grant money"

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[soalbundy]

12 minutes ago, Purdey said:

It's the speed of light that is the obstacle to inter Galaxy travel. 

The idea that anything with advanced technology could hide on earth with all the satellites we have today is another obstacle to belief.

Well they still can't find that Malaysian passenger plane and no satellite saw it go down.

[Purdey]

3 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Well they still can't find that Malaysian passenger plane and no satellite saw it go down.

Yes but these are supposed to be active civilizations not one off crashes.

[thesetat2013]

6 hours ago, Social Media said:

Harvard University researchers have proposed a startling theory: extraterrestrial beings may already be living among us, possibly residing in advanced technological civilizations deep underground or in a base on the moon. This provocative idea is detailed in a new paper from Harvard's Human Flourishing Program, which delves into the enigmatic phenomenon of "unidentified anomalous phenomena" (UAP), more commonly known as UFOs.

Wow! some really bad AI material here. It has been long suggested about these things.. provocative? No. Startling? No. 

 

6 hours ago, Social Media said:

in a base on the moon.

Is this not the reason China went to the dark side with their spacecraft recently? Or perhaps they were looking for Transformers

[ballpoint]

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

Jesus became an extraterrestrial, so did his mum.  Didn't need space ships.

Maybe they will return, sandals and virginity will come back into style.

 

 

Sandals and virginity often go together. Especially when socks are also involved.

[stoner]

46 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Well they still can't find that Malaysian passenger plane and no satellite saw it go down.

 

freescale semiconductor. 

[cncltd1973]

the ancient astronaut theory is quite easy to believe and answers a lot of fundamental questions that are still open mysteries in history. we are just beginning space travel and manipulating genetics, and our planet is relatively new. what if the earth like planet orbiting proxima centauri was older than ours and they figured it out a few 100,000 years ago? 

[Gweiloman]

3 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

I often have the same impression when I go out ...

 

But , really , the next Galaxy is 1000s of lightyears away . Habitable planets in our own Galaxy are still hundreds of lightyears away . If Aliens wanted to visit us , they would need to travel for many lifetimes ( at the speed of light ) .

Spacetravel at the speed of light , or faster is not possible .( yet ) .

So , it would be a trip much too long for any biological lifeform ...

Survive in a cyrogenic state ? Deepfrozen ?

Ridiculous .

If , ever , contact to alien civilizations will be established , it will be a contact to robots . Only non biological lifeforms can survive thousands of years in space .

Don’t forget that the universe is expanding and that galaxies are drifting further and further apart. It goes to reason therefore that at sometime in the past, the galaxies were much closer than they are now.

[Walker88]

6 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Ironic innit, when the white lab coats tell you to wear masks and stay home folks jump to but when they present an alternative theory regarding out civilization they're laughed at.

 

Personally, I laugh at people who think virologists and astrophysicists are one in the same, because maybe both sometimes wear white coats.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

I often have the same impression when I go out ...

 

But , really , the next Galaxy is 1000s of lightyears away . Habitable planets in our own Galaxy are still hundreds of lightyears away . If Aliens wanted to visit us , they would need to travel for many lifetimes ( at the speed of light ) .

Spacetravel at the speed of light , or faster is not possible .( yet ) .

So , it would be a trip much too long for any biological lifeform ...

Survive in a cyrogenic state ? Deepfrozen ?

Ridiculous .

If , ever , contact to alien civilizations will be established , it will be a contact to robots . Only non biological lifeforms can survive thousands of years in space .

LOL. You think that because humans are so primitive that they can't travel faster than speed of light, actually intelligent species are unable to do so?

 

IMO an intelligent species doesn't kill everything, which is just as well as otherwise they'd likely exterminate us.

[Walker88]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Don’t forget that the universe is expanding and that galaxies are drifting further and further apart. It goes to reason therefore that at sometime in the past, the galaxies were much closer than they are now.

What is interesting is that the Universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. Why that can be is not known, but one theory has it that gravitons (the particles that impose gravity in the way the Higgs boson imposes mass) have limited range, so at extreme distances, masses do not interact.

 

Maybe @Danderman123 has an answer, as he is a space expert.

 

A peculiarity of light is that since the Earth is nowhere close to any edge of the Universe, our observable Universe is a sphere with us right in the dead center. That does not mean the earth is the center of the Universe, only that any light that reaches us can only come from distances whose coordinates would form the surface of a sphere. Anything farther away, it's light has not reached us yet; thus what Universe can be observed must be nearly spherical in form (If a massive Black Hole is in one direction, its pull could red shift light coming from there, which would create a dent in our observable Universe).

 

While the Universe is estimated to be 13.8 billion years old, its diameter is estimated to be around 96 billion light years, because at the edges it is expanding faster than the speed of light. General relativity breaks down at extreme distance as well as extremely minute size.

 

Something that argues against aliens is the great distances between stars, plus the fact most everything in our neighborhood is roughly the same age. Unless a nearby civilization developed much faster than life on Earth, no one would be advanced enough to travel even regionally. Older regions of the Universe are so far away that unless light is not the limiting speed factor, nobody has had the time to come visit.

 

It's quite exciting how many secrets have been revealed, as well as how many are still waiting to be discovered.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, stoner said:

 

probably much less than that.

IMO no doubt less than 1%. Our science can't even cure cancer, or stop people killing each other.

In a cosmic sense we have barely emerged from the caves. 50,000 years is just a blink of a cosmic eye.

[youreavinalaff]

6 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

I often have the same impression when I go out ...

 

But , really , the next Galaxy is 1000s of lightyears away . Habitable planets in our own Galaxy are still hundreds of lightyears away . If Aliens wanted to visit us , they would need to travel for many lifetimes ( at the speed of light ) .

Spacetravel at the speed of light , or faster is not possible .( yet ) .

So , it would be a trip much too long for any biological lifeform ...

Survive in a cyrogenic state ? Deepfrozen ?

Ridiculous .

If , ever , contact to alien civilizations will be established , it will be a contact to robots . Only non biological lifeforms can survive thousands of years in space .

You are assuming lifespans and technology are the same every where as they are here.

[nobodysfriend]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

You are assuming lifespans and technology are the same every where as they are here.

 

Not really ... but the distance is simply too big , if travel is limited to the speed of light .

[youreavinalaff]

4 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

Not really ... but the distance is simply too big , if travel is limited to the speed of light .

Exactly my point. You are limiting speed of travel. How do you know the max?

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

Not really ... but the distance is simply too big , if travel is limited to the speed of light .

Again, you assume that because humans are too primitive to have faster than light speed an actually intelligent species elsewhere will also be unable to do so.

 

Human scientists know next to nothing about the universe.

[nobodysfriend]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Again, you assume that because humans are too primitive to have faster than light speed an actually intelligent species elsewhere will also be unable to do so.

 

Human scientists know next to nothing about the universe.

 

Faster than the speed of light is only SOS ( Speed Of Spirit ) . But this is a whole different story about the 5th ( the spiritual ) dimension ... no measurable evidence for that , but still existing , I think .

 

Faster-than-light travel and communication are the conjectural propagation of matter or information faster than the speed of light. The special theory of relativity implies that only particles with zero rest mass may travel at the speed of light, and that nothing may travel faster. Wikipedia

 

Particles whose speed exceeds that of light (tachyons) have been hypothesized, but their existence would violate causality and would imply time travel. The scientific consensus is that they do not exist .

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[nobodysfriend]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Again, you assume that because humans are too primitive to have faster than light speed an actually intelligent species elsewhere will also be unable to do so.

 

Human scientists know next to nothing about the universe.

 

In the material world , we need to deal with physical limitations ...

Or , do you think , the law of physics does not apply to extraterrestrial civilizations ?

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Particles whose speed exceeds that of light (tachyons) have been hypothesized, but their existence would violate causality and would imply time travel. The scientific consensus is that they do not exist .

Note "hypothesized" and "imply"- code for "we don't know so we are guessing".

 

Again, human science is too primitive to understand the universe. We only learned to make fire about 50,000 years ago, which is nothing in evolutionary terms.

Human scientists can't even cure cancer.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

In the material world , we need to deal with physical limitations ...

Or , do you think , the law of physics does not apply to extraterrestrial civilizations ?

You assume that our physical limitations apply on every inhabited planet in the universe ( IMO likely in the trillions ). The law of physics was invented by humans, so why should it apply to different intelligent species, which may not even resemble humans? Could be a cloud of electrified gas, or a mobile silicone like blob.

If an intelligent species ( one that doesn't kill each other and learned to live WITH nature ) has existed a million years longer than humans, is it not likely that they have learned more than we have?

You assume that intelligence is restricted to a physical form. We know that the power of thought is capable of many things, but if we could actually control it, perhaps pure intelligent energy without physical form could transcend physical limitations.

 

So many possibilities.

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Purdey said:

It's the speed of light that is the obstacle to inter Galaxy travel. 

The idea that anything with advanced technology could hide on earth with all the satellites we have today is another obstacle to belief.

If a species is able to exceed the speed of light, avoiding satellite detection would not be difficult. Even the Klingons had cloaking devices, LOL.

[nobodysfriend]

22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So many possibilities.

 

That's right .

Too many to even imagine ...

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100909004112.htm

 

The report describes how one of the supposed fundamental constants of Nature appears not to be constant after all. Instead, this 'magic number' known as the fine-structure constant -- 'alpha' for short -- appears to vary throughout the universe.

 

"After measuring alpha in around 300 distant galaxies, a consistency emerged: this magic number, which tells us the strength of electromagnetism, is not the same everywhere as it is here on Earth, and seems to vary continuously along a preferred axis through the universe,"

" ...our observable part of the universe favours the existence of life and human beings, other far more distant regions may exist where different laws preclude the formation of life, at least as we know it."

"If our results are correct, clearly we shall need new physical theories to satisfactorily describe them."

 

But still , as far as we know by now , for matter of any kind it is not possible to surpass the speed of light ...

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[nobodysfriend]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality_(physics)

 

The strong causality principle forbids information transfer faster than the speed of light; the weak causality principle operates at the microscopic level and need not lead to information transfer.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light

 

The speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant that is exactly equal to 299,792,458 metres per second (approximately 300,000 kilometres per second; 186,000 miles per second; 671 million miles per hour).^{[Note 3]} According to the special theory of relativity, c is the upper limit for the speed at which conventional matter or energy (and thus any signal carrying information) can travel through space.^[4][5][6]

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