New rules for buying a motorcycle?

anyone · June 25

I was going to buy a small Honda scooter today with cash, but I couldn't.

Dealers require this list of documents

1. Visa
2. Work Permit (I'm a parasite and therefore I don't have a work permit)
3. Сonfirmation of residential address from the embassy (My pink card and driver's license already have the address confirmed but they want it a third time)
4. Motorcycle driver's license
5. Especially smart ones even requested fingerprints from the local office (amphur)

Because of these two nasty points I was never able to buy anything even though I had cash...

It seems to me that a few years ago everything was much simpler?..

OneMoreFarang · June 25

I think they don't like the cash part; they want to sell you finance and get a commission on that one.

I bought two new bikes in the last ten years or so. I think I was always asked for 1 and 2, never for 3 to 5.

I would be surprised if you need a work permit to buy it. But I think you need a work permit (or maybe other options) to register it in your name.

PremiumLane · June 25

For the dealer to get the plate and greenbook for you they need all that. Other than fingerprints and work permit, as long as you have a valid visa you can get it.

Go to another dealer.

scubascuba3 · June 25

So the pink ID yellow book is no use, still need a residence certificate, i thought that was one of the benefits they kept banging on about

Edited June 25 by scubascuba3

Hummin · June 25

Last bike

I doubt you need visa, just show legal stay and id you passport

Pink card with my yellow housebook wich is normal for thai to, id card and housebook

No driving license needed

KhunBENQ · June 25

Stupid dealer.

Seems uninterested.

Driving license is utter nonsense.

You can buy in your name and let your partner drive.

Go next door.

Bought a new car recently.

Passport with visa/extension.

Yellow book/pink card.

Buying on finance denied. No surprise.

Paid by bank transfer from the mobile.

Where was that BTW?

Edited June 25 by KhunBENQ

anyone · June 25

1 minute ago, KhunBENQ said:

Stupid dealer.

Seems uninterested.

Driving license is utter nonsense.

You can buy in your name and let your partner drive.

Go next door.

Bought a new car recently.

Passport with visa/extension.

Yellow book/pink card.

Where was that BTW?

Bangkok outskirts, I went through several dealers, they all say the same thing, apparently they are sent instructions from the top office...

richard_smith237 · June 25

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

So the pink ID yellow book is no use, still need a residence certificate, i thought that was one of the benefits they kept banging on about

It is one of the benifits... and has nothing to do with the dealership.

When I have purchased vehicles (Cars and Motorcycles) the dealer has asked for a work permit... No have.

The dealer has then asked for proof of address... No have...

I then tell them I will deal with the registration process myself - thats my business as I don't want to wait for them, I also want to have the option to chose my own number.

In short - a dealer asking for proof of anything, other than payment (deposit - then full balance when picking up the vehicle) is overstepping the bounds of making a purchase.

1 hour ago, PremiumLane said:

For the dealer to get the plate and greenbook for you they need all that. Other than fingerprints and work permit, as long as you have a valid visa you can get it.

Go to another dealer.

Thats why they ask for the proof of address / work permit documents etc... But realistically, thats not need as you can easily register the vehicle yourself if you so wish - you'll then need those documents.

I'll go through your list below in the next comment.

richard_smith237 · June 25

1 hour ago, anyone said:

I was going to buy a small Honda scooter today with cash, but I couldn't.

Dealers require this list of documents

1. Visa

Only, relevant to the dealership IF they are going to register your vehicle for you (most do).

If registering yourself, then this information is irrelevant to the dealership.

1 hour ago, anyone said:

2. Work Permit (I'm a parasite and therefore I don't have a work permit)

Only, relevant to the dealership IF they are going to register your vehicle for you (most do).

If registering yourself, then this information is irrelevant to the dealership.

1 hour ago, anyone said:

3. Сonfirmation of residential address from the embassy (My pink card and driver's license already have the address confirmed but they want it a third time)

Only, relevant to the dealership IF they are going to register your vehicle for you (most do).

If registering yourself, then this information is irrelevant to the dealership.

1 hour ago, anyone said:

4. Motorcycle driver's license

Completely irrelevant to the process (nothing to do with the registration process).

1 hour ago, anyone said:

5. Especially smart ones even requested fingerprints from the local office (amphur)

100% irrelevant.

1 hour ago, anyone said:

Because of these two nasty points I was never able to buy anything even though I had cash...

It seems to me that a few years ago everything was much simpler?..

There is something very strange going on - the dealerships seem to be adding completely unnecessary layers of their own bureaucracy.

All of the above is not a new rule, not a new legal regulation - but, the dealers are being difficult for some reason.

Is this just one 'brand' or one 'group of the same dealership' ??...

Have you tried the same with different manufacturers ?

richard_smith237 · June 25

1 hour ago, anyone said:

Bangkok outskirts, I went through several dealers, they all say the same thing, apparently they are sent instructions from the top office...

'Top office' - that implies one Brand (i.e. Honda or Yamaha etc)... have you tried other brands, or other dealerships under different ownership ? (dealerships here operate like franchises, and a d!ck higher up may enjoy being a little neurotic and making things difficult).

Edited June 25 by richard_smith237

ubonr1971 · June 25

26 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Only, relevant to the dealership IF they are going to register your vehicle for you (most do).

If registering yourself, then this information is irrelevant to the dealership.

Whats the logic asking for WP. Is this actually the dealer or the dept of cars asking for this? Its so stupid

richard_smith237 · June 25

23 minutes ago, ubonr1971 said:

Whats the logic asking for WP. Is this actually the dealer or the dept of cars asking for this? Its so stupid

It’s an ‘legacy request’ from the dealer back when an address was listed in the WP & they could use a copy of your WP as a proof of address when registering the vehicle in your name.

These days work permits do not contain your address - so the request is moot, but probably on a list of required documents at a dealership that’s never been updated.

I’ve had disagreements with dealers in the past who want so many documents - as soon as I tell them I’ll be registering the vehicle myself, they back down.

Edited June 25 by richard_smith237

anyone · June 25

Yes, self-registration would be a solution, thank you @richard_smith237.

But where is the guarantee that they will not ask for the same documents - such as a work permit or proof of address from the embassy...

https://www.35yontrakan.com/posts/how-to-register-motorcycle-license-plate-online-in-thailand

There is online registration process, but you must have ThaID app (pink cards do not have a QR code that needs to be scanned).

Can you recommend any easy way to register a motorcycle yourself? 🧑‍✈️ (dealers charge 2,000 baht for it)

Edited June 25 by anyone

richard_smith237 · June 26

5 hours ago, anyone said:

Yes, self-registration would be a solution, thank you @richard_smith237.

But where is the guarantee that they will not ask for the same documents - such as a work permit or proof of address from the embassy...

https://www.35yontrakan.com/posts/how-to-register-motorcycle-license-plate-online-in-thailand

There is online registration process, but you must have ThaID app (pink cards do not have a QR code that needs to be scanned).

Can you recommend any easy way to register a motorcycle yourself? 🧑‍✈️ (dealers charge 2,000 baht for it)

By going to the DLT & doing it yourself.

You’ll still need one of…

A) Certificate Of Address (from immigration)

B) Affirmation Of Address (from Embassy)

C) Work Permit (only if it contains your address)

D) Yellow House Book (registered to you)

bob smith · June 26

Everything is made difficult for foreigners in Thailand.

Buying a bike is no exception.

bob.

anyone · June 26

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

By going to the DLT & doing it yourself.

You’ll still need one of…

A) Certificate Of Address (from immigration)

B) Affirmation Of Address (from Embassy)

C) Work Permit (only if it contains your address)

D) Yellow House Book (registered to you)

A & B are on my pink card and driving license.

If you still need to confirm the address, it doesn’t matter where to go - directly to the dealer or to the DLT.

shdmn · June 26

15 hours ago, PremiumLane said:

For the dealer to get the plate and greenbook for you they need all that. Other than fingerprints and work permit, as long as you have a valid visa you can get it.

Go to another dealer.

What visas are valid visas? What about a tourist visa?

PremiumLane · June 26

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thats why they ask for the proof of address / work permit documents etc... But realistically, thats not need as you can easily register the vehicle yourself if you so wish - you'll then need those documents.

A dealer isn't going to let you take the bike out of the showroom without the paper work being put in for it to be registered - they would be nuts to just let you walk out without the registration process started.

Edited June 26 by PremiumLane

PremiumLane · June 26

2 hours ago, shdmn said:

What visas are valid visas? What about a tourist visa?

If it is valid, yes. but for that you will need to get proof of address from immigration. But, some dealers might say no to the tourist visa and not sell you the bike. Best to go to a dealer in an area that is used to dealing with foreigners.

PremiumLane · June 26

2 hours ago, bob smith said:

Everything is made difficult for foreigners in Thailand.

Buying a bike is no exception.

bob.

No, it isn't, it is very easy - passport, visa, proof of address - you register the bike. Like any other country

bob smith · June 26

29 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

No, it isn't, it is very easy

Cobblers.

bob.

PremiumLane · June 26

15 minutes ago, bob smith said:

Cobblers.

bob.

yeah, you are talking cobblers. But hey, it's Aseannow forum, gotta have a little moaning about the Thais from some boomer, right?

transam · June 26

18 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

So the pink ID yellow book is no use, still need a residence certificate, i thought that was one of the benefits they kept banging on about

I have bought rides with a yellow book as proof of residence........... :coffee1:

bob smith · June 26

6 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

yeah, you are talking cobblers. But hey, it's Aseannow forum, gotta have a little moaning about the Thais from some boomer, right?

what’s not to moan about??

bob.

Hummin · June 26

3 hours ago, shdmn said:

What visas are valid visas? What about a tourist visa?

Visa exemption is good enough as long you have proof of adress.

anyone · June 26

In the end I bought it after showing the yellow book. That's the end of the story 😏

scubascuba3 · June 26

2 hours ago, transam said:

I have bought rides with a yellow book as proof of residence...........

Per the op it appears unreliable

KhunBENQ · June 26

39 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Per the op it appears unreliable

Depends on DLT offices. Pattaya is notorious for ignoring YB.

Up here find since years.

SAFETY FIRST · June 26

6 hours ago, anyone said:

In the end I bought it after showing the yellow book. That's the end of the story 😏

How can it be the end of the story?

You said above that you couldn't buy it.

On 6/25/2024 at 5:49 PM, anyone said:

I was going to buy a small Honda scooter today with cash, but I couldn't

Why did you change your story?

Did you buy it or not?

brianburi · June 26

9 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

How can it be the end of the story?

You said above that you couldn't buy it.

Why did you change your story?

Did you buy it or not?

what you getting excited about.....

Quote

No, it isn't, it is very easy - passport, visa, proof of address - you register the bike. Like any other country

Mr Thailand here says it's a doddle.........

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