This thread is a direct extension of the clash between the Enforcement/Public Safety View and the Progressive/Systemic View. It shows that no matter where people are in the world, the debate over whether a nation should strictly defend its borders and protect its citizens from preventable crime remains one of the most fiercely contested issues of our time. America First has seen what happens directly as a result of systemic progressive initiative experiments and foreign national murderers & serial criminals coming into a country. Starmer resigning in the UK,grooming gangs scandal and the EU Parliament voting by a huge majority to pass the Return Regulation,complete with chants of "send them back' on the parliament floor,has already shown the failure of the experiment over there. Yet in my country, it's the news they actively ignore. They rely on the passive media framing of high profile crimes to shield the open border narrative. The slow denial of transnational gang activity when Tren de Aragua started taking over complexes. We are watching the quiet collapse of "sanctuary city' ideology as local budgets completely fracture under the strain. And through it all, they hide behind the a statistic that immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born citizens. That stat is an excuse to paper over a massive systemic breakdown. It completely side steps the issue of preventability. Every single crime committed by an individual who entered or remained illegally is a crime that could have been entirely prevented by functioning border security and strict deportation policies.
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