Mass Arrests Follow Violent Far-Right Demonstrations Across the UK

[Pickwick]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No, Tommy did not say that 

True, my mistake. I got his misinformation the wrong way round. He said one Muslim had stabbed at least three women.

[Pickwick]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

The example I used was the 2 gay fellas on their way back from a bingo hall.  They shouted at the police, which I could be wrong but don't think this is a crime.  They would also have a good case for police brutality as the dog handler set his dog on one of the first guy when it appeared he was complying with the police request to move back and he had his back turned when the handler moved his dog  to allow it to attack him.

No, the example you used and I quote you directly was ' So no, it is not the same for everyone.  The thugs from Manchester are not in custody'. That's exactly what I replied to. 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

True, my mistake. I got his misinformation the wrong way round. He said one Muslim had stabbed at least three women.

 

   Once again , Tommy didn't say that 

[Pickwick]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

So whats your view on what should happen to the Labour MP with a fouler, more racist mouth than Tommy Robinson

You are confusing a Labour MP with a Labour councillor. He will rightly face consequences for his words - we have both clearly agreed that incitement is a crime with serious consequences. I believe that applies to all people equally.

[Pickwick]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Once again , Tommy didn't say that 

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24496394.tommy-robinson-spreads-disinformation-stabbing-scottish-city/

[proton]

Blaming one man for the problem is nonsensical, the problem is mass immigration and 4k illegals alone since Starmer got in. He has done nothing about that apart from steal money off pensioners to help pay for them. Tommy is not the problem, Starmer is. Another million immigrants a year is just unsustainable.

Edited August 9 by proton

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, proton said:

Blaming one man for the problem is nonsensical, the problem is mass immigration and 4k illegals alone since Starmer got in. He has done nothing about that apart from steal money off pensioners to help pay for them. Tommy is not the problem, Starmer is. Another million immigrants a year is just unsustainable.

 

Unsustainable financials provided by whom - link.

 

As of 2019, there were around 994,000 UK nationals living in EU countries, excluding Ireland.

 

Oh BTW...

 

1.2 million people migrated into the UK and 532,000 people emigrated from it, leaving a net migration figure of 685,000. 

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/#:~:text=The latest estimates on migration,and out of the country.

[James105]

48 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

You are confusing a Labour MP with a Labour councillor. He will rightly face consequences for his words - we have both clearly agreed that incitement is a crime with serious consequences. I believe that applies to all people equally.

 

Nope.  This is the racist Labour MP I was referring to:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lauren-edwards-labour-mp-tweets-estonians-b2593308.html

[Pickwick]

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Nope.  This is the racist Labour MP I was referring to:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lauren-edwards-labour-mp-tweets-estonians-b2593308.html

Well, given previous talk on here was about the Labour councillor it would have been helpful if you had referenced that earlier.

 

But what's your point? I have clearly - and repeatedly - said that anyone and everyone should be held accountable for what they say in public. 

 

I am not the person on this thread making excuses for anyone.

[proton]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

Unsustainable financials provided by whom - link.

 

As of 2019, there were around 994,000 UK nationals living in EU countries, excluding Ireland.

 

Oh BTW...

 

1.2 million people migrated into the UK and 532,000 people emigrated from it, leaving a net migration figure of 685,000. 

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/#:~:text=The latest estimates on migration,and out of the country.

 

Hansard toting up the billions these scroungers cost. This was last june so another million arrived since then'

 

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-06-27/debates/ABE8419C-FAF8-4D97-A09F-DC765DAD72CF/IllegalMigrationBillEconomicImpactAssessment

 

The asylum system currently costs £3.6 billion a year and £6 million a day in hotel accommodation, but that is not the true cost of doing nothing. As this impact assessment shows, the cost of accommodating illegal migrants has increased dramatically since 2020. If these trends continued, the Home Office would be spending over £11 billion a year, or £32 million a day, on asylum support by the end of 2026. In such a scenario, the Bill would only need to deliver a 2% deterrence in arrivals to enable cost savings.

 

The figure of £11 billion is an extraordinary amount of money—nearly 10 times the amount of money the taxpayer spent on the asylum system as recently as 2021

[Chomper Higgot]

43 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Hansard toting up the billions these scroungers cost. This was last june so another million arrived since then'

 

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-06-27/debates/ABE8419C-FAF8-4D97-A09F-DC765DAD72CF/IllegalMigrationBillEconomicImpactAssessment

 

The asylum system currently costs £3.6 billion a year and £6 million a day in hotel accommodation, but that is not the true cost of doing nothing. As this impact assessment shows, the cost of accommodating illegal migrants has increased dramatically since 2020. If these trends continued, the Home Office would be spending over £11 billion a year, or £32 million a day, on asylum support by the end of 2026. In such a scenario, the Bill would only need to deliver a 2% deterrence in arrivals to enable cost savings.

 

The figure of £11 billion is an extraordinary amount of money—nearly 10 times the amount of money the taxpayer spent on the asylum system as recently as 2021

That’s what happens when a Government fails to clear asylum claims and leaves both genuine and bogus claimants rotting for years in tax payer funded accommodation.

 

Over 100,000 asylum cases left in cleared while cuts made to i

migration service budgets.

A Tory failure left for Labour to sort out.

 

[CallumWK]

1 hour ago, proton said:

This was last june so another million arrived since then

 

1 million immigrants a year arrive in the UK?  Aren't you exaggeration the numbers a bit?

[Pickwick]

1 hour ago, proton said:

Hansard toting up the billions these scroungers cost.

Hansard is the recorded transcripts of debates in Parliament. They don't tot up anything, they merely record what people said in Parliament, even if what said was not based on reality. The reply to your quote is as follows:

 

"I was going to ask if the Immigration Minister had seriously signed off this garbage of an impact assessment, which no self-respecting Minister could possibly think was serious, but actually the nonsense he has just said is even worse and even less coherent."

[proton]

16 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

1 million immigrants a year arrive in the UK?  Aren't you exaggeration the numbers a bit?

 

No thats the last official number, they try to make it sound better by taking off the numbers leaving, a lot of those return. We have had more immigration since 1997 than from 1066 to 1997

[Pickwick]

1 hour ago, proton said:

they try to make it sound better by taking off the numbers leaving,

No they don't. That's how they calculate net migration (for all its flaws).

 

1 hour ago, proton said:

We have had more immigration since 1997 than from 1066 to 1997

Can you share the data for your claim, especially for the years 1066 -1855 (the year immigration records began)?

 

 

[FinChin67]

Never ending story from the left. The secretary of health (oh, the irony) is obsessed with killing people by train decapitation. Punching and breaking legs seems to be in order too.

Want to see what Comrade Keir Starmer does. Is there two tier justice system in the UK or not?

Sack the freak and report him to your Stasi.

[simple1]

12 hours ago, proton said:

 

Hansard toting up the billions these scroungers cost. This was last june so another million arrived since then'

 

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-06-27/debates/ABE8419C-FAF8-4D97-A09F-DC765DAD72CF/IllegalMigrationBillEconomicImpactAssessment

 

The asylum system currently costs £3.6 billion a year and £6 million a day in hotel accommodation, but that is not the true cost of doing nothing. As this impact assessment shows, the cost of accommodating illegal migrants has increased dramatically since 2020. If these trends continued, the Home Office would be spending over £11 billion a year, or £32 million a day, on asylum support by the end of 2026. In such a scenario, the Bill would only need to deliver a 2% deterrence in arrivals to enable cost savings.

 

The figure of £11 billion is an extraordinary amount of money—nearly 10 times the amount of money the taxpayer spent on the asylum system as recently as 2021. You cannot blame 

 

Do nothing is due to HMG not providing work permits. Though I would bet many are employed in the cash economy by UK employers. You cannot blame asylum seekers for lack of resourcing / policies which would have been driven by right of centre decision makers.

[Chomper Higgot]

Another good news day, though the police and courts need to start working their way up the food chain:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/two-men-jailed-for-social-media-posts-that-stirred-up-far-right-violence

[Rimmer]

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[simple1]

13 hours ago, proton said:

 

No thats the last official number, they try to make it sound better by taking off the numbers leaving, a lot of those return. We have had more immigration since 1997 than from 1066 to 1997

 

You're wrong net migration figures are correct as a contributing factor to ascertain overall population changes in UK.

 

A bit of insight into historical immigration. There are many other instances, so compared to the then population of the UK would have been significant

 

https://www.historytoday.com/archive/englands-first-refugees#:~:text=Such a flood of these,throne (1660-1714).

[James105]

Elon Musk is not letting Keir Starmer spout his nonsense unchallenged.  Venezuela are blocking Twitter as the government there do not like to be criticised.   Wonder how long it is before the UK follows suit?  

 

 

Edited August 10 by James105

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, James105 said:

Elon Musk is not letting Keir Starmer spout his nonsense unchallenged.  Venezuela are blocking Twitter as the government there do not like to be criticised.   Wonder how long it is before the UK follows suit?  

 

 

Dreaming up stuff to feed your need for Grievance.

 

The UK have not blocked Twitter, there are no indications that they will.

 

 

Edited August 10 by Chomper Higgot

[connda]

[James105]

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Dreaming up stuff to feed your need for Grievance.

 

The UK have not blocked Twitter, there are no indications that they will.

 

 

 

Dreaming stuff up?  Think you need to take your head out of the sand.   

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/elon-musk-starmer-x-twitter-banned-uk-b2593108.html

 

"Ofcom could soon receive new powers to ban social media platforms or even take legal action against tech bosses"

 

So the UK could soon be amongst countries with similar minded governments such as these listed in the linked article.

 

"It is currently blocked in China, Russia, North Korea, Turkmenistan, Myanmar, Iran, and Pakistan"

[Chris Daley]

Two wrongs don't make a right.  Come on bible bashers.  You claim to be a nation of Christian values.

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Dreaming stuff up?  Think you need to take your head out of the sand.   

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/elon-musk-starmer-x-twitter-banned-uk-b2593108.html

 

"Ofcom could soon receive new powers to ban social media platforms or even take legal action against tech bosses"

 

So the UK could soon be amongst countries with similar minded governments such as these listed in the linked article.

 

"It is currently blocked in China, Russia, North Korea, Turkmenistan, Myanmar, Iran, and Pakistan"

Yes we know where Twitter is band, it’s you stroking your grievance with your imaginary British Government banning Twitter.

[transam]

30 minutes ago, Chris Daley said:

Two wrongs don't make a right.  Come on bible bashers.  You claim to be a nation of Christian values.

Who here is a "Bible Basher"....?  🤔

A Christian country, doesn't mean we all go to Church on Sunday's...🙄

[James105]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes we know where Twitter is band, it’s you stroking your grievance with your imaginary British Government banning Twitter.

 

You didn't read the article did you?  Let me add a further quote:

 

"There is currently limited legislation to tackle online disinformation in the UK, but Ofcom says this is changing. Following the riots, the telecoms watchdog has confirmed that new laws are set to come into force later this year."

 

So for the price of one burnt out police vehicle, and a few bricks being thrown, the government has granted themselves authoritarian powers to silence dissent.   Nobody has noticed because they are too busy looking at where they want you to look which is images of a man with some horrible tattoos and Tommy Robinson.   

 

You probably think this is fine, but imagine if the Tory government had these kind of powers.   You think you would have heard about Party gate?  The media nowadays rely on X/Twitter for stories.  If they use these powers the only stories you will hear will be the ones that want you to.   

 

The UK is on a dark path.  

[Will B Good]

Just now, James105 said:

 

You didn't read the article did you?  Let me add a further quote:

 

"There is currently limited legislation to tackle online disinformation in the UK, but Ofcom says this is changing. Following the riots, the telecoms watchdog has confirmed that new laws are set to come into force later this year."

 

So for the price of one burnt out police vehicle, and a few bricks being thrown, the government has granted themselves authoritarian powers to silence dissent.   Nobody has noticed because they are too busy looking at where they want you to look which is images of a man with some horrible tattoos and Tommy Robinson.   

 

You probably think this is fine, but imagine if the Tory government had these kind of powers.   You think you would have heard about Party gate?  The media nowadays rely on X/Twitter for stories.  If they use these powers the only stories you will hear will be the ones that want you to.   

 

The UK is on a dark path.  

 

It was the Tory government that developed this legislation.

 

In the UK, the Conservative government has been actively involved in addressing the issue of online misinformation and harmful content, particularly through the Online Safety Bill. This piece of legislation, which has been in development for several years and is expected to come into effect in 2024, aims to regulate content on social media platforms and other online services.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

You didn't read the article did you?  Let me add a further quote:

 

"There is currently limited legislation to tackle online disinformation in the UK, but Ofcom says this is changing. Following the riots, the telecoms watchdog has confirmed that new laws are set to come into force later this year."

 

So for the price of one burnt out police vehicle, and a few bricks being thrown, the government has granted themselves authoritarian powers to silence dissent.   Nobody has noticed because they are too busy looking at where they want you to look which is images of a man with some horrible tattoos and Tommy Robinson.   

 

You probably think this is fine, but imagine if the Tory government had these kind of powers.   You think you would have heard about Party gate?  The media nowadays rely on X/Twitter for stories.  If they use these powers the only stories you will hear will be the ones that want you to.   

 

The UK is on a dark path.  

The Government haven’t granted themselves new powers.

 

The Act of Parliament hasn’t been passed.

 

Your attempts to diminish the scale of the riots and the threat they are to communities across the UK are noted.