People’s Party Surge: 84% Would Vote Today, Poll Reveals

[hotchilli]

23 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

They rely on the remaining 16% and will count the votes untill they'll see 100%. And they will start the tank's engines....just in case.

I don't think so, tourism would tank. scuse the pun

[ikke1959]

45 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Would you like to bet on that?  It doesn't matter how many parties are formed or rise from the ashes of Future Forward or Move Forward, they will not be allowed to take up and meaningful positions, should they win any future elections.  The establishment will take comfort in the fact that Move Forward were not allowed to put forward a Prime Minister without reaction from the people and then the party was 'disolved' - again without any protests.  Do you seriously think they will not do exactly the same again?

 

Change and reform in Thailand may well be long overdue but unless the people rise up and rise up seriously, nothing's going to change.  Such a rising would involve considerable bloodshed and the evidence so far points to them not having the stomach for that.

 

Part of the problem as I see it is that apart from not having the stomach for serious protest, the public themselves are complicit in what I believe is the country's biggest problem - corruption.  Corruption appears to take place at all levels of society - as I've been discovering recently whilst trying to help a Thai friend find a job in local government.  It seems that its not how well qualified you may be to do a particular job, its how much you are prepared to pay for it. That's one aspect, another is cow-towing complicity such as paying 'fines' for made up traffic offences. Unless the public are prepared stop being complicit in such matters, they can hardly baulk at the dinosaurs that are their masters.  Those dinosaurs have the power and resources to quell any serious unrest - as they showed not too long ago with the Red Shirts.

 

At the 'Establishment' level, reform is what is required - reform of the sort that Move Forward proposed. However, the people themselves need to reform - stop paying for jobs and stop paying 'fines' for made up traffic offences - and I'm picking on just two aspects there.  The more I look into it, the more I discover that the entire system in Thailand is rotten.  There is also the issue of eating s h i t that Thai's put up with when dealing with officialdom.  

 

What happened after the last election and the lack of reaction to the dissolution of Move Forward seems to indicate that whilst the people want reform they neither have the stomach for any meaningful protest nor are they prepared to reform themselves.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      

Corruption is very hard to stop... We all do it, because it is convenient. If you get a traffic fine for 500 THB with a ticket or 300 THB without a ticket is is not difficult to choose.. And if you want something and you can get it if you pay a few thousand THB nobody will say, no and going to take the difficult way. That is why corruption is so difficult to get rid of.   

[proton]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

I wonder how that will go down with the tourists.. this government has to tread carefully.

 

Tourist will love it- selfies with tanks and army, a soft power winner

[MikeandDow]

46 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Would you like to bet on that?  It doesn't matter how many parties are formed or rise from the ashes of Future Forward or Move Forward, they will not be allowed to take up and meaningful positions, should they win any future elections.  The establishment will take comfort in the fact that Move Forward were not allowed to put forward a Prime Minister without reaction from the people and then the party was 'disolved' - again without any protests.  Do you seriously think they will not do exactly the same again?

 

Change and reform in Thailand may well be long overdue but unless the people rise up and rise up seriously, nothing's going to change.  Such a rising would involve considerable bloodshed and the evidence so far points to them not having the stomach for that.

 

Part of the problem as I see it is that apart from not having the stomach for serious protest, the public themselves are complicit in what I believe is the country's biggest problem - corruption.  Corruption appears to take place at all levels of society - as I've been discovering recently whilst trying to help a Thai friend find a job in local government.  It seems that its not how well qualified you may be to do a particular job, its how much you are prepared to pay for it. That's one aspect, another is cow-towing complicity such as paying 'fines' for made up traffic offences. Unless the public are prepared stop being complicit in such matters, they can hardly baulk at the dinosaurs that are their masters.  Those dinosaurs have the power and resources to quell any serious unrest - as they showed not too long ago with the Red Shirts.

 

At the 'Establishment' level, reform is what is required - reform of the sort that Move Forward proposed. However, the people themselves need to reform - stop paying for jobs and stop paying 'fines' for made up traffic offences - and I'm picking on just two aspects there.  The more I look into it, the more I discover that the entire system in Thailand is rotten.  There is also the issue of eating s h i t that Thai's put up with when dealing with officialdom.  

 

What happened after the last election and the lack of reaction to the dissolution of Move Forward seems to indicate that whilst the people want reform they neither have the stomach for any meaningful protest nor are they prepared to reform themselves.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      

This is totally correct  the system needs to change but that system is so corrupt that it will never change and without this change Thailand will not change, the fight is NOT at the ballot box, the fight is at the corruption within every aspect of the Thai system, but the Thais themselves are not interested in changing corruption as corruption is inbred into themselves, its a way of life to the Thais, Thailand is a 3rd world country and will always be a 3rd world country.    

[newbee2022]

25 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

I don't think so, tourism would tank. scuse the pun

Time will tell. 

[Will B Good]

 

 

People’s Party Surge: 84% Would Vote Today, Poll Reveals

 

In some respects that is quite concerning.......certain groups will now be examining every which way to, as Pita claimed, exterminate them.

[MarkBR]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Leader of People's Party, Natthaphong Ruengpanyawut leaves after a press conference as they announced the formation of the new political party in Bangkok, Thailand, Friday, Aug. 9, 2024, two days after Thailand’s Move Forward party was dissolved by legal order. (AP Photo/Sakchai Lalit)

 

In a stunning development, a recent Thailand poll indicates that 84% of those surveyed would cast their vote for the newly formed People’s Party if an election were held tomorrow. This landslide support follows the dissolution of the reformist Move Forward Party by the Constitutional Court.

 

The poll, which garnered responses from around 51,000 individuals via Matichon’s YouTube channel, illustrates a significant shift in public opinion towards the People’s Party. Move Forward, now resurrected as the People’s Party, faced court-ordered dissolution due to charges related to their controversial campaign promise to amend the lese majeste law.

 

In comparison, only 9% of respondents indicated support for the Pheu Thai Party, led by Thaksin Shinawatra, the de facto leader. Pheu Thai currently heads the coalition government with Bhumjaithai, the second-largest coalition partner, receiving just 2% of the hypothetical vote.

 

The dissolution of Move Forward has not dampened public enthusiasm for their mission. Within nine hours yesterday, over 10 million baht was donated to the People’s Party, meeting their fundraising target. Additionally, more than 19,000 people registered as party members in a single day, pushing towards a goal of 100,000 members within a month, reported Thai Newsroom.

 

Chulalongkorn University political scientist Puangthong Pawakapan has criticised the Constitutional Court for what she describes as a double standard. She argues that past military coups, such as those in 2006 and 2014 led by army chiefs Sonthi Boonyaratkalin and Prayut Chan-o-cha respectively, were clear acts of undermining the constitution but went unpunished. In contrast, Move Forward was dissolved for campaign issues.

 

The Constitutional Court ruling not only dissolved the Move Forward Party but also banned its leaders, including Pita Limjaroenrat and Chaithawat Tulathon, from political office for ten years. This decision has stirred significant debate and discontent among the public, indicating potential unrest and a shift in future electoral dynamics.

 

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[SportRider]

Regardless of numbers, the poll can't be relied on to be representative of the population, if it's only viewers of a specific YouTube channel. 

[Emdog]

3 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Corruption is very hard to stop... We all do it, because it is convenient. If you get a traffic fine for 500 THB with a ticket or 300 THB without a ticket is is not difficult to choose.. And if you want something and you can get it if you pay a few thousand THB nobody will say, no and going to take the difficult way. That is why corruption is so difficult to get rid of.   

agreed.

Some years back a survey was done about corruption. Pretty sure the conclusion was that most Thai people think it is okay as long as they get a cut.

[Will B Good]

Just now, Emdog said:

agreed.

Some years back a survey was done about corruption. Pretty sure the conclusion was that most Thai people think it is okay as long as they get a cut.

 

 

There used to be an app where you could register, on a map, where you were scammed by the RTP, for how much and why.

 

I remember filling it in a couple of times....... Saraburi bypass and Beach Road soi 3 or 4?

[MikeandDow]

51 minutes ago, Emdog said:

agreed.

Some years back a survey was done about corruption. Pretty sure the conclusion was that most Thai people think it is okay as long as they get a cut.

And there is the reason why Thailand will always be a 3rd world country 

[NoshowJones]

8 hours ago, proton said:

 

Tanks usually

Yes, just think of all these generals waiting to see who will be the lucky one that will be getting backed up by soldiers, tanks and guns.

When they see how the unelected soldier PM Cha Cha fared with a money earning 9 years in office, and along with all the other unelected coup leading soldiers throughout the years getting mega rich and going about knowing that they will never be jailed. As long as there is a Banana Republic of Thailand, there will be coup after coup after coup as long as time goes on.

[NoshowJones]

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The only way things will change here is if the Thai people show the army they are very serious, and will not tolerate being manipulated and shoved around. The people are going to have to make some major sacrifices. But, it will happen. It is just a matter of time. The Jurassic era is drawing to a close. 

 

There will never be another military coup here. Think about it. The moral authority that backed the coups in the past, is long gone. And the army does not have the guts to wage war against their people, Burmese style. 

 

It won't happen. The families of the soldiers would never tolerate their sons murdering innocent Thais. The moms would say "you murder one Thai, and you are never welcome back into our family home again. Listen to me. Do not do this". And you would have massive army defections. Who will fight at that point? Not the cowardly generals? They would flee into exile with their billions, and the army might collapse, or give up, at that point.

 

 

I hope you are right Mike, but personally I cannot ever see  anything but coups in this Banana Republic as the average Thai has never been very good at standing up for themselves. I think you made a good point in saying that mothers won't let their sons murder other Thais, but it sure would take an awful lot to make that happen.

[Stocky]

8 hours ago, hotchilli said:

I wonder how that will go down with the tourists.. this government has to tread carefully.

Tank the economy

[spidermike007]

53 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

I hope you are right Mike, but personally I cannot ever see  anything but coups in this Banana Republic as the average Thai has never been very good at standing up for themselves. I think you made a good point in saying that mothers won't let their sons murder other Thais, but it sure would take an awful lot to make that happen.

While you are correct, if there's one absolute certainty, it is that things will change here, things will improve here, and things will progress here. I don't know how long it's going to take, and I don't know if it's going to happen an our lifetime, but it's going to happen.

 

The dinosaurs are going to become extinct, and the super toxic powers that are holding the nation back are going to become irrelevant and will be dismissed. 

[bannork]

The good doctor hasn't given up trying to exterminate the PP. Saying branch offices have to have been open for at least a year, just opening them doesn't count.

Incidentally, Thaksin is suing him for millions for insinuating Thaksin went to Hong Kong to arrange a secret deal with officials.

[BangkokReady]

12 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It won't happen. The families of the soldiers would never tolerate their sons murdering innocent Thais. The moms would say "you murder one Thai, and you are never welcome back into our family home again. Listen to me. Do not do this". And you would have massive army defections. Who will fight at that point? Not the cowardly generals? They would flee into exile with their billions, and the army might collapse, or give up, at that point.

 

It's not impossible.  It's actually quite easy to indoctrinate soldiers.  Isolate them then feed them propaganda about the protestors.  They're these types of people, they did these things, etc...

[Suua]

22 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

Yes . But it is not about Thailand's economy this time .

It is about how the ruling elite secures it's place .

They are all rich enough already , they do not need income from tourism any more ...

It is the old : me first , me me me ... the rest of thailands population can go to hell , as long as they can stay in power ... not a socialist country here ...

It is exactly about the economy.

If a coup happened it would be economic suicide.

The country is already on the brink of economic collapse.

The ruling filth would destroy their own country.

Perhaps they are too stupid to see this, but are so soulless they probably don't care.

[spidermike007]

11 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

It's not impossible.  It's actually quite easy to indoctrinate soldiers.  Isolate them then feed them propaganda about the protestors.  They're these types of people, they did these things, etc...

Won't happen here. Thais are too close to their families and once they hear they will be disowned, they will choose mom and dad over a corrupt and immoral officer. 

 

And you are missing the part about the missing moral authority. 

[BangkokReady]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Thais are too close to their families and once they hear they will be disowned

 

How would that happen if they were isolated and being fed lies? They could be convinced that the protestors are the bad guys who want to harm good innocent Thais.

 

Think about it.

[MikeandDow]

40 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

How would that happen if they were isolated and being fed lies? They could be convinced that the protestors are the bad guys who want to harm good innocent Thais.

 

Think about it.

Thais are already indoctrinate from birth to the monarchy 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

 

How would that happen if they were isolated and being fed lies? They could be convinced that the protestors are the bad guys who want to harm good innocent Thais.

 

Think about it.

I don't think the military could get away with isolating them to the point where they would not have any communication with their families, that alone would cause the population to revolt. 

 

You're giving the hapless army here far too much credit, and I think that at a given point in time the tolerance of the people is simply going to run out. 

[kimamey]

On 8/13/2024 at 1:47 AM, hotchilli said:

I wonder how that will go down with the tourists.. this government has to tread carefully.

 

They'd just market it as an Expedia Experience. Immerse yourself in a real life coup. Pick your side. Select your weapon.  Feel the adrenalin. 

 

I'm wasted here aren't I.

[kimamey]

On 8/13/2024 at 1:53 AM, spidermike007 said:

The only way things will change here is if the Thai people show the army they are very serious, and will not tolerate being manipulated and shoved around. The people are going to have to make some major sacrifices. But, it will happen. It is just a matter of time. The Jurassic era is drawing to a close. 

 

There will never be another military coup here. Think about it. The moral authority that backed the coups in the past, is long gone. And the army does not have the guts to wage war against their people, Burmese style. 

 

It won't happen. The families of the soldiers would never tolerate their sons murdering innocent Thais. The moms would say "you murder one Thai, and you are never welcome back into our family home again. Listen to me. Do not do this". And you would have massive army defections. Who will fight at that point? Not the cowardly generals? They would flee into exile with their billions, and the army might collapse, or give up, at that point.

 

 

I hope you're right but they said the last coup would never happen. The watermelon army they said.  Green on the outside but red inside.

[JemJem]

On 8/13/2024 at 2:34 AM, hotchilli said:

Maybe the tide i turning, Thais are getting sick and tired of these parties and people and want real changes.

I agree. Of course, whether this new movement will bring significant change remains to be seen. For now, there is reason for optimism. 

 

I think there is good hope for Thailand and other South East Asian countries, regarding human rights and freedom of expression. I am guessing and hoping that things won't turn out like 'Arab Spring' did eventually_like a big farce. As you know, the human rights and freedom of expression situation is generally at a very poor level in the Middle Eastern countries and Turkey. I have lost hope about those countries. But, I feel there is definitely hope for Thailand. 

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, kimamey said:

 

They'd just market it as an Expedia Experience. Immerse yourself in a real life coup. Pick your side. Select your weapon.  Feel the adrenalin. 

 

I'm wasted here aren't I.

Wasted in what way.. talent or pished?

[kimamey]

On 8/14/2024 at 11:44 PM, hotchilli said:

Wasted in what way.. talent or pished?

 

Talent obviously. I don't drink enough to get inebriated. Maybe I should.

[BobBKK]

Always a honeymoon but I very much hope this nightmare is over in 2027 and the dinosaurs are gone and forgotten.

[MikeandDow]

On 8/14/2024 at 9:35 PM, JemJem said:

I agree. Of course, whether this new movement will bring significant change remains to be seen. For now, there is reason for optimism. 

 

I think there is good hope for Thailand and other South East Asian countries, regarding human rights and freedom of expression. I am guessing and hoping that things won't turn out like 'Arab Spring' did eventually_like a big farce. As you know, the human rights and freedom of expression situation is generally at a very poor level in the Middle Eastern countries and Turkey. I have lost hope about those countries. But, I feel there is definitely hope for Thailand. 

keep on dreaming !!!  human rights and freedom of expression in Thailand will not happen until the 112 law is replealed and that will not happen anytime soon 30yr plus