The Importance of Respecting Trump Voters

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, novacova said:

And what exactly is the fact indoctrination are you speaking of? Certainly doubt you can even guess.

Gee , let me think:

 

The election was stolen? I have never seen this woman before? My crowds are the biggest? I am a great businessman? I'm a champion golfer? I never had sex with Stormy Daniels? I know every verse in the Bible? My apartment is 30,000 square feet? My indictments are a witch hunt? The top secret documents I took from the White House are mine?

 

Is that enough alternative facts for you?

 

 

 

 

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, maesariang said:

So you support wars, open borders, rising unemployment. You must hate the USA.

I am a far-left liberal. I do not support wars. I do support borders that are open to refugees. I am concerned with rising unemployment, but that's a feature of capitalism. I support socialism. I used to love the USA, but now, after living in Thailand for 20 years and seeing the rise of people like Trump, the USA has definitely lost its appeal for me. 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Luckily for you I don't charge for such observations. 

 

 

Including many liberals.

 

 

If you can't comprehend or deliberately misinterpret for cheap point scoring, that's on you. 

Forgive me for pointing out the startling historical error you made in your attempt to slur liberals with your inept Nazi comparison.

 

 

 

[WDSmart]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

5 minutes ago, maesariang said:

 

 

There's at least 10 candidates better than Harris.

 

A very conservative estimate. 

And ALL of them would be much better than Trump.

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I don't believe I hold prejudice and resentment towards those who don't share my views. I can work with and discuss issues with those who see things differently than me. But there are at least two groups to which that doesn't apply because we are so far apart: child abusers and Trump supporters. 

 

Cognitive dissonance 101.

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, novacova said:

Why are you doing this to yourself? There’s a much bigger world out there brother.

Your next line of defense is gaslighting? Nice to know.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Because I abhor racism and sexism. 

 

I can see why you're OK with it though...

Because you are fixated on it and can’t grasp how candidates are chosen on the basis of their ability to attract the largest constituency of voters.

[maesariang]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

And ALL of them would be much better than Trump.

Much worse. Trump was the best in many years.

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Forgive me for pointing out the startling historical error you made in your attempt to slur liberals with your inept Nazi comparison.

 

 

 

 

There was no error. You just didn't understand the use of brackets in the structure of the sentence (or pretended not to). 

 

Let me make it simpler for you. Some liberals are antisemitic like the Nazis were. 

[Cory1848]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

When a Trump supporter starts giving me a sensible argument highlighting his defects as well as his purported virtues, backed up by facts and logic, I'll begin respecting them.

 

As no Trump supporter is prepared to admit Trump has any flaws whatsoever, it will be a long wait.

Exactly. I’m willing to give any Trump supporter (or anyone else) every benefit of the doubt. If they legitimately feel economically disadvantaged or marginalized, I’m all ears; the vast majority of people (not only Trump supporters but all human beings) are fundamentally decent. But at the same time, if Trump supporters wish to express political opinions, I expect them to educate themselves (and read an actual newspaper every now and then) rather than simply parrot the lies of Trump and other right-wing leaders. If they categorize all “Dems” and “liberals” as a monolithic group that is the only source of their self-perceived misery, I won’t feel much sympathy for them.

 

And if they somehow believe Trump’s lies about stolen elections and consequently support efforts to suppress the vote, they are deplorable and, depending on how far they go, criminal.

[maesariang]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I am a far-left liberal. I do not support wars. I do support borders that are open to refugees. I am concerned with rising unemployment, but that's a feature of capitalism. I support socialism. I used to love the USA, but now, after living in Thailand for 20 years and seeing the rise of people like Trump, the USA has definitely lost its appeal for me. 

Thailand is far right.

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because you are fixated on it and can’t grasp how candidates are chosen on the basis of their ability to attract the largest constituency of voters.

 

Actually normally presidential nominees are selected through a democractic process. Harris skipped this because she ticked the right boxes. 

[animalmagic]

10 minutes ago, maesariang said:

Why is the Democrats discriminating against white men and Jews? There's at least 10 candidates better than Harris.

Why aren't you happy that the Democrats are only running their 11th choice in the Presidential race?

[Jingthing]

The replies on this thread aren't helping  me respect Trump voters more. 

The truth is the best chance for Harris to win over the maga fascists is to motivate more people overall  to vote rather than convert Trump lovers.

The US isn't Australia. 

Trump never had and never will have majority support. 

Their entire game is minority rule.

Edited September 2 by Jingthing

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, maesariang said:

Thailand is far right.

 

But Liberals ignore that because they don't expect any better of the Thais. 

 

Oh, and it's cheap to live there (partly due to the far right policies). 

[Chwooly]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

The replies on this thread aren't helping  me respect Trump voters more. 

The truth is the best chance for Harris to win over the maga fascists is to motivate more people overall  to vote rather than convert Trump lovers.

The US isn't Australia. 

LOL, The fact that you think people want your respect. When you think everyone who would vote for  Trump is a fascist 

[animalmagic]

20 minutes ago, maesariang said:

Harris as a white man same personality would have never have been VP. Sad how pathetic the Dems are now. Try picking based on quality.

🤣, you mean just as the Republican has done for the last 3 elections?

[maesariang]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

The replies on this thread aren't helping  me respect Trump voters more. 

The truth is the best chance for Harris to win over the maga fascists is to motivate more people overall  to vote rather than convert Trump lovers.

The US isn't Australia. 

Trump supporters will never respect or want the respect of anybody who calls them fascist.

[spidermike007]

I completely agree as many on this forum know, I'm fairly merciless when it comes to Trump and Vance, but rarely am I critical of his supporters. 

 

I do not have issues with conservatives, I understand why they want to vote for him, I understand that many of the issues they have are different than mine. And that is totally valid. Some of my best friends and some very close family members are conservatives, we have dialogues, and when we discuss politics it is done with mutual affection and respect. 

 

Often times when I'm speaking to somebody about politics and we've never spoken before on that subject I'll start off by saying there's one thing you need to know about me, I consider every Democrat at the national level to be a $35 street whore, and I consider every Republican at the national level to be a $40 street whore. Now that we've gotten that out of the way let's talk about politics. It generally puts them at ease. 

 

When we start degenerating into a hateful mob, reduced to insults and memes, that's when we really have a problem.

Edited September 2 by spidermike007

[maesariang]

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

But Liberals ignore that because they don't expect any better of the Thais. 

 

Oh, and it's cheap to live there (partly due to the far right policies). 

Exactly. Far right country. Loads of competition in food and hotels makes them cheap. Supply and demand.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The replies on this thread aren't helping  me respect Trump voters more. 

 

That's because you are obstinately attached to a belief.

 

I think there is a word for that... 😃

[WDSmart]

3 minutes ago, maesariang said:

Thailand is far right.

Thailand mixes far-right (the government) and far-left (the social services like virtually free hospitals). 

[maesariang]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Thailand mixes far-right (the government) and far-left (the social services like virtually free hospitals). 

Hospitals are not free. Who told you that?

[Skeptic7]

11 hours ago, TedG said:

 

Your hate is going to give you a heart attack. 

Stating the truth is not hate. Not even close. Only those who can't handle the truth refer to it as hate. 

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Thailand mixes far-right (the government) and far-left (the social services like virtually free hospitals). 

 

Yes, Thailand is well known for it's welfare state. 😄

[spidermike007]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The replies on this thread aren't helping  me respect Trump voters more. 

The truth is the best chance for Harris to win over the maga fascists is to motivate more people overall  to vote rather than convert Trump lovers.

The US isn't Australia. 

Trump never had and never will have majority support. 

Their entire game is minority rule.

I agree, but that statement completely ignores the purpose of this thread, which is to respect people who have opposing views politically. I would never call a MAGA supporter a fascist. I have often called Trump a fascist, I wouldn't doubt if Vance was a  fascist, but the supporters are just normal people who have a different point of view. 

 

I really think it's best if we don't  stoop to Trump's level, and we maintain some civility when discussing politics. 

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Skeptic7 said:

Only those who can't handle the truth refer to it as hate. 

 

Coming from a leftist that is actually hilarious. 

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Actually normally presidential nominees are selected through a democractic process. Harris skipped this because she ticked the right boxes. 

If Biden had been incapacitated by a stroke, Harris would have become President. It may still happen. Right there in the constitution, Amendment 25.

 

Would Republicans complain as loudly if Trump carked it, and Vance took over?

 

You don't seem to comprehend the irony of talking about democratic process, while supporting a guy who is all for authoritarianism.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, maesariang said:

Why is the Democrats discriminating against white men and Jews? There's at least 10 candidates better than Harris.

There is no such thing as a best candidate, it’s a choice between multiple characteristics.

 

What matters is winning the election.

 

But let’s remind ourselves.

 

Prior to the adoption of VP Harris as the candidate illiberals were engaging in non stop 24/7 Biden bashing; Biden they insisted was a weak candidate, Trump would wipe the floor with him.

 

Well my illiberal friends, the Democrats have swapped out the candidate you believed your boy would slaughter at the ballot and replaced him with VP Harris who is clearly a very strong contender for the victory in November.

 

It’s a bit late now but you really should have kept schtum.

 

Having failed to do so you ought to at least realize how ridiculous your bleating is now.

 

 

Y’all got precisely the Democrat candidate you didn’t want.

 

Well done!

 

 

 

 

[maesariang]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes, Thailand is well known for it's welfare state. 😄

Food - far right

Accomodation - far right

Transport - far right

 

All cheap due to far right policies. Socialism pushes up prices.