New McCharthyism Sweeping the USA and the World?: What examples have you seen?

GammaGlobulin · September 15

35 minutes ago, Kinok Farang said:

Congrats GG,your best post yet.You are on to something here.All this nonsense started on university campuses in the US ( where else) where for years now commie lecturers have indoctrinated their oh so gullible pupils with this shiit.Debating with these morons became impossible because any view apposed to theirs was shouted down.

This clown show escalated with,feminism,blm,trans rights and the in thing now is to walk around looking like an Arab until in the UK right now grandmothers are being jailed for hurty words on FB.

Without freedom of expression you have nothing although the mods on here don't go along with that view.The world has gone to shiit.

Well, I am sure that Richard Feynman would have had NONE of it in his classroom.

Real Name Hidden · September 18

Trumpism is the same as McCarthyism, substituting immigrants for communists. The scare mongering and demigogery are exactly the same.

thaibeachlovers · September 19

On 9/14/2024 at 4:21 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

Where, OH where....

Will it all end, if this continues much longer?

No need to worry. Western civilisation won't be around too much longer IMO, and all the wokistas will be lucky to survive. Most won't.

The survivors will have more pressing things to worry about than free speech.

thaibeachlovers · September 19

6 hours ago, Real Name Hidden said:

Trumpism is the same as McCarthyism, substituting immigrants for communists. The scare mongering and demigogery are exactly the same.

Apparently someone has no idea of what the real thing was like.

Gsxrnz · September 19

There's a damned good reason why the First Amendment of the US Constitution protects freedom of expression. Without the right to say what you think, you lose the right to think what you want.

As evidenced by history and every dystopian novel ever written, speech and wrongthink are always the first targets of wannabe totalitarian governments. We have decades of authoritarians banning and changing the meanings of words, but that just isn't enough.

The UK government are now in the process of making it illegal to pray silently within 150 metres of an abortion establishment. You can and will be criminalised for your thoughts.

Eventually of course we will return to normality whereby government fears the people, instead of the current inverse. Unfortunately and inevitably, it will require multiple civil wars. This will only occur when government heaps on that final straw.

That final straw will probably be something relatively innocuous, such as rationing beer consumption (I jest), but it will be something as equally and ludicrously authoritarian that breaks the camel's back.

We are currently in Orwell's dilemma, speaking of his 1984 proles, the commoner and mostly unthinking proletariat - "Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.”

Real Name Hidden · September 19

44 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Apparently someone has no idea of what the real thing was like.

I guess that would be you. McCarthy represented my state in Congress.

Real Name Hidden · September 19

BTW, Trump's mentor was Roy Cohn, chief counsel to Joe McCarthy

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/donald-trump-roy-cohn.html

thaibeachlovers · September 20

On 9/19/2024 at 1:15 PM, Gsxrnz said:

Eventually of course we will return to normality whereby government fears the people, instead of the current inverse. Unfortunately and inevitably, it will require multiple civil wars. This will only occur when government heaps on that final straw.

They already fear the people, hence the militarisation of the police in the US. They know that if the populace ever rebels it'll be them or the people that survive.

The UK cops were compromised by Thatcher, IMO, when she made them suppress the workers ( I wonder if it's safe for a cop to live in an ex mining community today? ).

Alas, I doubt I'll be alive to see it when it kicks off.

thaibeachlovers · September 20

On 9/19/2024 at 1:22 PM, Real Name Hidden said:

I guess that would be you. McCarthy represented my state in Congress.

So what?

thaibeachlovers · September 20

On 9/19/2024 at 1:54 PM, Real Name Hidden said:

BTW, Trump's mentor was Roy Cohn, chief counsel to Joe McCarthy

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/donald-trump-roy-cohn.html

McCarthy hated communists. Do you have any evidence that Trump hates communists?

Real Name Hidden · September 21

57 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

McCarthy hated communists. Do you have any evidence that Trump hates communists?

Trump uses immigrants as scapegoats the same way McCarthy used communists, that's my point.

swissie · September 21

On 9/13/2024 at 6:21 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

From my perspective, having lived a very long time, already, I now feel similarities between the Old McCharthyism and some Nouveau-McCharthyism which is even worse than the old McCharthyism.

I am talking about imposition of the need for self-censorship among almost anyone.

And, I am talking about TAMPING DOWN and Stamping Out almost any opportunity for free debate at major hallowed halls of the Greatest Universities in the Land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But, more of a travesty is the fact that, even just among the Common Man, like you and me, we no longer seem to have the freedom to say what we like.

I am talking about the increasing need to self-censor when we discuss almost anything slightly controversial, whether it be with friends, or, maybe now, even in our own minds....perish the THOUGHT!

Some of you guys call this WOKEISM...but it is not wokeism in the real sense.

WOKE is not what most people think.

Just ask Nim Chimpsky.

All that I am saying is that....

When we lose the freedom to discuss/debate, with complete freedom, almost any topic....at ANY university....then....

This will have major negative repercussions for the likes of lesser mortals, who don't know what's what.

I am not speaking, here, about any particular topic or issue, which might be discussed...

I am only talking about the need for freedom and tolerance which will enable us to talk freely, and express freely, different points of view.

I guess you have heard about the Chinese Cultural Revolution which set back China many years, at the time, and destroyed so many lives.

And so I ask you:

Is the USA and the rest of the western world now engaging in a New Cultural Revolution where, just as in the 1960s in China, nobody is allowed to express ideas, or even to THINK ideas?

Sure, back in the day, In China....

During the Cultural Revolution...

Almost all thought was completely controlled by The Party.

And, it seems to me that the USA is doing it's best to copy The Chinese Cultural Revolution, but ....

With American Characteristics.....

I am sure you recall this book:

And so now....

Seems we are getting Chinese Cultural Revolution THOUGHT CONTROL with.....

American/Western Characteristics.

So...

The question is:

Do you feel able to speak your mind at university....

Or, speak your mind when out and about, with so-called friends....

Or, for that matter, do you feel free to speak your mind to your WIFE?

Just wondering, because...were are obviously now entering a Brave New World of Weird-Speak.

Profs are getting banned for discussing issues that once were discussable.

Where, OH where....

Will it all end, if this continues much longer?

Please tell me.

Best regards,

Gamma

The new "McCartyism" of today presents itself in form of "new born" Evangelists. Fired up by TV Evangelist preachers.

Conservative estimates: Worth about 100 million voters in the US.

The rest of the world does not understand this. But the rest of the world also doesn't understand why a person like Donald Trump could establish himself as some modern day "messias".

GammaGlobulin · September 21

52 minutes ago, swissie said:

The new "McCartyism" of today presents itself in form of "new born" Evangelists. Fired up by TV Evangelist preachers.

Conservative estimates: Worth about 100 million voters in the US.

The rest of the world does not understand this. But the rest of the world also doesn't understand why a person like Donald Trump could establish himself as some modern day "messias".

I think that Trump, knowing what he is, might prefer to decamp to Switzerland, rather than to run, once more, for Prez of the USA...

Also, far healthier for him....the way things seem to be going.....these recent days....

thaibeachlovers · September 26

On 9/22/2024 at 2:42 AM, swissie said:

But the rest of the world also doesn't understand why a person like Donald Trump could establish himself as some modern day "messias".

It's actually quite simple. Enough millions in the US hate Washington enough to elect Trump because they think he wants to destroy Washington. IMO.

thaibeachlovers · September 26

On 9/21/2024 at 12:30 PM, Real Name Hidden said:

Trump uses immigrants as scapegoats the same way McCarthy used communists, that's my point.

He has a point. Illegal immigrants are criminals and should be deported. End of.

Real Name Hidden · October 3

On 9/26/2024 at 10:17 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

He has a point. Illegal immigrants are criminals and should be deported. End of.

Trump is a criminal, our greatest disgrace since Benedict Arnold.

Google: Trump's mentor

Trump is suing google because doesn't want us to know.

McCarthyism once again rears it's ugly head.

GammaGlobulin · October 4

5 hours ago, Real Name Hidden said:

Trump is a criminal, our greatest disgrace since Benedict Arnold.

Google: Trump's mentor

Trump is suing google because doesn't want us to know.

McCarthyism once again rears it's ugly head.

You can't sue Google....for that....

That's ridiculous....!

Real Name Hidden · October 4

7 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

You can't sue Google....for that....

That's ridiculous....!

You can read about Trump's mentor, if you have the courage. You can't make this stuff up!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn

cjinchiangrai · October 4

On 9/21/2024 at 6:28 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

McCarthy hated communists. Do you have any evidence that Trump hates communists?

Plenty of evidence that he loves communists, particularly Daddy Putin.

cjinchiangrai · October 4

On 9/21/2024 at 7:30 AM, Real Name Hidden said:

Trump uses immigrants as scapegoats the same way McCarthy used communists, that's my point.

And just like McCarthy, makes up lies to accuse people.

John Drake · October 4

On 9/16/2024 at 4:57 AM, Kinok Farang said:

Congrats GG,your best post yet.You are on to something here.All this nonsense started on university campuses in the US ( where else) where for years now commie lecturers have indoctrinated their oh so gullible pupils with this shiit

There are many on university campuses, including faculty in the most censor likely disciplines, who oppose the Mao-like imposition of thought/speech control. But not only do those just joining faculty need to fear the effects of their true feelings and thoughts on tenure but also on academic promotion and, yes, salary increases. Not to mention, the lockdown that comes on restricted research and analyses in the area of academic publications. The latter is the most important of all. It's how you get hired, get tenure, and get promoted. And the gatekeepers (peer reviewers) at the top tier publications are exceptional at sniffing out unorthodoxy and keeping it off their pages.

Gandtee · October 4

On 9/13/2024 at 11:21 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

From my perspective, having lived a very long time, already, I now feel similarities between the Old McCharthyism and some Nouveau-McCharthyism which is even worse than the old McCharthyism.

I am talking about imposition of the need for self-censorship among almost anyone.

And, I am talking about TAMPING DOWN and Stamping Out almost any opportunity for free debate at major hallowed halls of the Greatest Universities in the Land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But, more of a travesty is the fact that, even just among the Common Man, like you and me, we no longer seem to have the freedom to say what we like.

I am talking about the increasing need to self-censor when we discuss almost anything slightly controversial, whether it be with friends, or, maybe now, even in our own minds....perish the THOUGHT!

Some of you guys call this WOKEISM...but it is not wokeism in the real sense.

WOKE is not what most people think.

Just ask Nim Chimpsky.

All that I am saying is that....

When we lose the freedom to discuss/debate, with complete freedom, almost any topic....at ANY university....then....

This will have major negative repercussions for the likes of lesser mortals, who don't know what's what.

I am not speaking, here, about any particular topic or issue, which might be discussed...

I am only talking about the need for freedom and tolerance which will enable us to talk freely, and express freely, different points of view.

I guess you have heard about the Chinese Cultural Revolution which set back China many years, at the time, and destroyed so many lives.

And so I ask you:

Is the USA and the rest of the western world now engaging in a New Cultural Revolution where, just as in the 1960s in China, nobody is allowed to express ideas, or even to THINK ideas?

Sure, back in the day, In China....

During the Cultural Revolution...

Almost all thought was completely controlled by The Party.

And, it seems to me that the USA is doing it's best to copy The Chinese Cultural Revolution, but ....

With American Characteristics.....

I am sure you recall this book:

And so now....

Seems we are getting Chinese Cultural Revolution THOUGHT CONTROL with.....

American/Western Characteristics.

So...

The question is:

Do you feel able to speak your mind at university....

Or, speak your mind when out and about, with so-called friends....

Or, for that matter, do you feel free to speak your mind to your WIFE?

Just wondering, because...were are obviously now entering a Brave New World of Weird-Speak.

Profs are getting banned for discussing issues that once were discussable.

Where, OH where....

Will it all end, if this continues much longer?

Please tell me.

Best regards,

Gamma

Speak your mind to your wife'? You must be very courageous, or an idiot if you do. A still tongue keeps a wise head. 😉

thaibeachlovers · October 4

22 hours ago, Real Name Hidden said:

Trump is a criminal, our greatest disgrace since Benedict Arnold.

That deserves :cheesy: .

thaibeachlovers · October 4

On 9/21/2024 at 12:30 PM, Real Name Hidden said:

Trump uses immigrants as scapegoats the same way McCarthy used communists, that's my point.

So it's Trumpism, not McCarthyism. Try and get it right.

thaibeachlovers · October 4

On 9/14/2024 at 4:21 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

From my perspective, having lived a very long time, already, I now feel similarities between the Old McCharthyism and some Nouveau-McCharthyism which is even worse than the old McCharthyism.

I am talking about imposition of the need for self-censorship among almost anyone.

And, I am talking about TAMPING DOWN and Stamping Out almost any opportunity for free debate at major hallowed halls of the Greatest Universities in the Land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But, more of a travesty is the fact that, even just among the Common Man, like you and me, we no longer seem to have the freedom to say what we like.

I am talking about the increasing need to self-censor when we discuss almost anything slightly controversial, whether it be with friends, or, maybe now, even in our own minds....perish the THOUGHT!

Some of you guys call this WOKEISM...but it is not wokeism in the real sense.

WOKE is not what most people think.

Just ask Nim Chimpsky.

All that I am saying is that....

When we lose the freedom to discuss/debate, with complete freedom, almost any topic....at ANY university....then....

This will have major negative repercussions for the likes of lesser mortals, who don't know what's what.

I am not speaking, here, about any particular topic or issue, which might be discussed...

I am only talking about the need for freedom and tolerance which will enable us to talk freely, and express freely, different points of view.

I guess you have heard about the Chinese Cultural Revolution which set back China many years, at the time, and destroyed so many lives.

And so I ask you:

Is the USA and the rest of the western world now engaging in a New Cultural Revolution where, just as in the 1960s in China, nobody is allowed to express ideas, or even to THINK ideas?

Sure, back in the day, In China....

During the Cultural Revolution...

Almost all thought was completely controlled by The Party.

And, it seems to me that the USA is doing it's best to copy The Chinese Cultural Revolution, but ....

With American Characteristics.....

I am sure you recall this book:

And so now....

Seems we are getting Chinese Cultural Revolution THOUGHT CONTROL with.....

American/Western Characteristics.

So...

The question is:

Do you feel able to speak your mind at university....

Or, speak your mind when out and about, with so-called friends....

Or, for that matter, do you feel free to speak your mind to your WIFE?

Just wondering, because...were are obviously now entering a Brave New World of Weird-Speak.

Profs are getting banned for discussing issues that once were discussable.

Where, OH where....

Will it all end, if this continues much longer?

Please tell me.

Best regards,

Gamma

Sometimes less is more. My eyes started to glaze over about half way through that.

However, from what I did read, I have to agree.

Don't worry, eat drink womanise or whatever makes you happy, as western civilisation is IMO heading directly into the dumpster of history, and not a thing that you or I can do about it, except try and find some enjoyment as the great experiment in democracy comes to a shuddering halt in wokism, PC and BS writ large.

The saddest thing is that those that would have saved it, real men, have vanished. Now they are emasculated, beaten down, in thrall to womanhood, afraid to speak out, and generally neutered. I know as I was that way myself in my trade of nursing, unable to say what I thought as I knew my life would become a living hell if they had an inkling of my true thoughts. I had a few close shaves, and it wasn't pleasant at the time, and certainly put me off any more truth speak.

Even the woman I used to love became a woke monster from hell, which was why she became my ex.

thaibeachlovers · October 4

8 hours ago, John Drake said:

There are many on university campuses, including faculty in the most censor likely disciplines, who oppose the Mao-like imposition of thought/speech control. But not only do those just joining faculty need to fear the effects of their true feelings and thoughts on tenure but also on academic promotion and, yes, salary increases. Not to mention, the lockdown that comes on restricted research and analyses in the area of academic publications. The latter is the most important of all. It's how you get hired, get tenure, and get promoted. And the gatekeepers (peer reviewers) at the top tier publications are exceptional at sniffing out unorthodoxy and keeping it off their pages.

When I was of an age to go to uni I would have lasted about 5 minutes before I said the wrong thing and my uni life ended.

I spent almost my entire school years in boys only schools without any female contact ( I guess I was just lucky there ), except for one female teacher, who might as well have been a man, and the office lady who was a goddess of beauty to be worshiped from afar, but never close up. After school came the male only bastion of the military, before women were permitted in other than the typing pool. The result was that I was naive and ignorant of the ways of women when I went nursing. It was a steep learning curve to survival. I guess I was lucky to get out reasonably unscathed; some did not and lived to regret their choice of career. However, scarred for life mentally.

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