Social Media Posted September 26 Posted September 26 A fierce political dispute has emerged between Ukraine and the Republican Party, as US House Speaker Mike Johnson has called for the dismissal of Ukraine’s ambassador to Washington. This demand marks a sharp escalation in the ongoing feud between Republicans and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, whose recent visit to the United States has drawn criticism from certain political quarters. Johnson's remarks followed Zelensky’s visit to an arms factory in Scranton, Pennsylvania, the hometown of President Joe Biden and a key swing state in the upcoming US elections. During his tour, Zelensky was accompanied by several prominent Democrats, which prompted Johnson to accuse him of meddling in American politics. In a public letter, the Speaker argued that the visit was "designed to help Democrats" and went so far as to label it "election interference." The escalating tensions threaten to overshadow a critical meeting between Zelensky and President Joe Biden. During this meeting, Zelensky is expected to present a "plan for victory" in Ukraine's ongoing war against Russia. Since arriving in the US on Sunday, Zelensky has intensified his efforts to secure further support from the US and its allies as Ukraine continues to resist Russian advances. Amid the diplomatic tensions, President Biden announced on Thursday a $7.9 billion military aid package for Ukraine, part of a larger $61 billion deal that Congress approved earlier this year. The package includes additional Patriot air defense missiles and long-range munitions, with the arms set to be delivered quickly through presidential drawdown authority. Earlier in the year, Congressional Republicans had blocked the Biden administration's military aid package for months before ultimately allowing the legislation to pass in April. As a result, arms shipments to Ukraine were suspended for a time, though the US remains Ukraine's largest foreign donor, having provided $56 billion for the country's defense. In a statement ahead of his meeting with Biden, Zelensky outlined three key elements of his victory plan: securing more weapons, pursuing diplomatic measures to pressure Russia into peace, and holding Moscow accountable for its invasion in 2022. Zelensky had hoped to present this plan to both Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, the two leading presidential candidates, but Trump's campaign has indicated that the former president will not meet with the Ukrainian leader during his US tour. The relationship between Trump and Zelensky has long been strained. In 2019, Trump was impeached by the US House over allegations that he pressured Zelensky to uncover damaging information on a political opponent. Since then, Trump has often echoed Russian perspectives on the war, recently mocking Zelensky as the "greatest salesman on Earth" during a campaign event and accusing him of failing to negotiate a deal with Moscow. At a separate rally, Trump praised Russia's military, stating, "They beat Hitler, they beat Napoleon—that’s what they do, they fight." This friction between Zelensky and the Republican Party has intensified following his visit to Scranton, where he appeared with Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro and other Democrats. Johnson criticized the event as a "partisan campaign" intended to support Vice President Kamala Harris' political ambitions. In response, the Republican-led House Oversight Committee has launched an investigation into whether Zelensky’s trip was an effort to influence the US election in favor of Harris. Despite these political challenges, Zelensky remains focused on securing continued support for Ukraine’s defense. While the US has been Ukraine's most significant foreign ally, providing billions in aid, the growing political divide in Washington presents new uncertainties for the war-torn nation. Based on a report from: BBC 2024-09-27 2 2
Popular Post Tug Posted September 26 Popular Post Posted September 26 I liked the presser Harris held with Zelenskyy today reaffirming the United States stand against Putin. standing with the democratic nations of the world.I have a strong suspicion that that sentiment is shared by a good many republican lawmakers who out of a concern for political survival are keeping their heads down till trump is flushed. 6 3 2 2 2 6
Popular Post neeray Posted September 26 Popular Post Posted September 26 Yes, when philosophies are 180 degrees apart, that certainly could raise tensions. One is trying to protect and preserve his country, the other is willing to give it away, thinking that ending the war under any circumstances will buy him an election. Next gimmick please ! 3 1 3 2
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 Well, there are some who would call this election interference by a foreign country. It is highly inappropriate for the leader of Ukraine to play politics during a presidential election. 1 2 1 3 4
Popular Post thesetat2013 Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 1 hour ago, neeray said: Yes, when philosophies are 180 degrees apart, that certainly could raise tensions. One is trying to protect and preserve his country, the other is willing to give it away, thinking that ending the war under any circumstances will buy him an election. Next gimmick please ! Give it away? Haha.... So misguided and full of harris rhetoric for her candidacy. And yet, not a peep from you about how the Ukraine leader went to a Democratic held State to visit a weapons manufacturer. Pretty much telling them he will be ordering supplies under Harris's presidency. Surely that is election interference. I would bet money if Trump did such a thing. You would be making all sorts of claims how he is coercing votes this way. But no. You only see RED. Unable to look at things from an outsiders point of view even though you are outside the US now. 2 1 1 1 2 2
Popular Post koolkarl Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 The US printing press is wasting its time on Ukraine. Russia does not want a NATO member on its border. Besides has anyone accounted for all the billions sent there already? Swiss accounts and his wife shopping on 5th Ave., for starters. 3 2 1 1 1 3
Popular Post neeray Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 Just now, thesetat2013 said: Give it away? Haha.... So misguided and full of harris rhetoric for her candidacy. And yet, not a peep from you about how the Ukraine leader went to a Democratic held State to visit a weapons manufacturer. Pretty much telling them he will be ordering supplies under Harris's presidency. Surely that is election interference. I would bet money if Trump did such a thing. You would be making all sorts of claims how he is coercing votes this way. But no. You only see RED. Unable to look at things from an outsiders point of view even though you are outside the US now. Not just outside the US now but may be for a long time into the future, like long after Trump is defeated and all the dust that he stirred up settles (putting it politely). What a mess of hate, division and racism he has sowed. And BTW, I am Canadian, always have been but previously have been involved with USA for both business and pleasure. Harris 2024 ! 4 1 1 1
Popular Post Dcheech Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 6 minutes ago, koolkarl said: The US printing press is wasting its time on Ukraine. Russia does not want a NATO member on its border. Besides has anyone accounted for all the billions sent there already? $200 billion over two years for the US, so 0.5% of The United States GDP. This war should have lasted three weeks but due to Russian incompetence here we are years later. Having more countries join NATO, Russian military exposed as a laughingstock and suffering hundreds of thousands of casualties. That is a great deal. Money well spent 2 1 2 2 2
Popular Post Sophon Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 12 minutes ago, koolkarl said: The US printing press is wasting its time on Ukraine. Russia does not want a NATO member on its border. Besides has anyone accounted for all the billions sent there already? Swiss accounts and his wife shopping on 5th Ave., for starters. Russia already has four NATO members bordering it, so are you saying that Russia will invade Norway, Finland, Estonia and Latvia next? 2 1 1 2 1 2
Popular Post Tug Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 7 minutes ago, Sophon said: Russia already has four NATO members bordering it, so are you saying that Russia will invade Norway, Finland, Estonia and Latvia next? The smart money is on Poland next but Russia is very very weak so possibly a smaller nation.anyway doubt full Russia has the strength and I don’t think the people will tolerate a direct confrontation with NATO. 3 2 1
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 11 minutes ago, Sophon said: Russia already has four NATO members bordering it, so are you saying that Russia will invade Norway, Finland, Estonia and Latvia next? If Putin thought he would get away with it he would go into the Baltic Countries in a flash. 2 1 1 1 2
Popular Post Tug Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: Well, there are some who would call this election interference by a foreign country. It is highly inappropriate for the leader of Ukraine to play politics during a presidential election. I beg to differ 2 world leaders discussing supporting one another is entirely appropriate.Now trump is bleating for a meeting with a for real leader (no nft required)he’s seeing how we are reacting to his slavish adoration of the enemy (putin) not the people of Russia. Edited September 27 by Tug 1 1 1 1
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Dcheech said: $200 billion over two years for the US, so 0.5% of The United States GDP. This war should have lasted three weeks but due to Russian incompetence here we are years later. Having more countries join NATO, Russian military exposed as a laughingstock and suffering hundreds of thousands of casualties. That is a great deal. Money well spent Sure. American money plus Ukranian blood equals big profit for the MIC and their supporters. The US is already in serious deficit territory- $1.7 trillion in 2023. The money wasted on Ukraine would go a ways to solving that dilemma. Otherwise, you are just spending your grandchildrens' money to appease today's greedy politicians. 1 2 1
Popular Post JonnyF Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 Looks like Zelensky (or Putin as Biden likes to call him) is shilling for the Democrats to ensure the money keeps flowing post November. Not a good look. Quite possibly election interference. 1 3 1 1 2
Popular Post CallumWK Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Tug said: I beg to differ 2 world leaders discussing supporting one another is entirely appropriate. Zelensky is a world leader now? It is the most corrupt country in the west, and you call him a world leader. Your woke attitude has no limits 1 1 2 1 1 1 3
Popular Post Summerinsiam Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Tug said: The smart money is on Poland next but Russia is very very weak so possibly a smaller nation.anyway doubt full Russia has the strength and I don’t think the people will tolerate a direct confrontation with NATO. There is zero evidence that Russia will attack any more of its neighbours. Such a narrative is contiually pushed by Ukraine and those countries like Poland, who have historical grievances with Russia, because it suits their interests. It also defies any logic. As the Russian military is struggling to defeat Ukraine, how could it hope to triumph in a conflict with the whole of Nato. It is pure propaganda. Ukraine was invaded because Putin does not want a bastion of the west on his doorstep, in what it perceives as its sphere of influence. 2 3
Popular Post Tropicalevo Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 (edited) 15 minutes ago, CallumWK said: Zelensky is a world leader now? It is the most corrupt country in the west, and you call him a world leader. Your woke attitude has no limits A leader, who against all of the odds, has kept one of the world's largest and most aggressive armies at bay for a lot longer than many other leaders would have. Yes, I would call him a world leader. Your distraction re a corrupt country is just that. A distraction. There are very few countries that are not corrupt. They just hide better than Ukraine does. eg USA, Russia, China and so on Edited September 27 by Tropicalevo 2 4 1 3
Popular Post Tug Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 12 minutes ago, CallumWK said: Zelensky is a world leader now? It is the most corrupt country in the west, and you call him a world leader. Your woke attitude has no limits I beg to differ many Americans and others see him on the same level as Churchill standing alone against the axis he is a figure that will have historical significance for many years and for the right reasons.if that defines (woke) to you I will take that as high phrase indeed! 4 4 3 2
Popular Post watchdog2 Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 so many strongly voiced opinions, so little understanding.... the current war was a predictable reaction to extreme Ukrainian nationalists trying to stamp out any possibility of self-determination by Russian speakers, and by a western empire and its vassals seeking to gain domestic political relevance by propagating the "Russia bad, we good" narrative. after throwing out the communist bastards, russia was poised for friendship and cooperation with the NATO states, but, no, the latter needed Russia to continue to be an enemy. total waste but unfortunately the western "leaders" responsible will probably never pay an appropriate price.... 3 3
Popular Post Thingamabob Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 3 hours ago, Hanaguma said: Well, there are some who would call this election interference by a foreign country. It is highly inappropriate for the leader of Ukraine to play politics during a presidential election. Well said. Zelensky is not quite the paragon of virtue some in the west would have us believe. 1 2 1
Popular Post Srikcir Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 3 hours ago, Hanaguma said: Well, there are some who would call this election interference by a foreign country. It is highly inappropriate for the leader of Ukraine to play politics during a presidential election. It is a privilege and right for the US Head of State POTUS to meet foreigner leaders and/or their representative ambassadors and does not require congressional approval. 2 2 2
Popular Post Thingamabob Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Tug said: I beg to differ many Americans and others see him on the same level as Churchill standing alone against the axis he is a figure that will have historical significance for many years and for the right reasons.if that defines (woke) to you I will take that as high phrase indeed! Naivety personified. The disgusting way Russian speakers have been treated in Ukraine over the years is a disgrace. 1 3
Popular Post Srikcir Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 3 hours ago, thesetat2013 said: Unable to look at things from an outsiders point of view Look what's in plain sight. Putin wants genocide of every Ukrainian. Trump could care less. 3 1 1 1
Popular Post Jingthing Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 Putin is a monster. So is Trump. 3 1 2 4
MarkBR Posted September 27 Posted September 27 2 hours ago, Tropicalevo said: A leader, who against all of the odds, has kept one of the world's largest and most aggressive armies at bay for a lot longer than many other leaders would have. Yes, I would call him a world leader. Your distraction re a corrupt country is just that. A distraction. There are very few countries that are not corrupt. They just hide better than Ukraine does. eg USA, Russia, China and so on You missed UK on your list - prime example - London centre of world money-laundering.
Purdey Posted September 27 Posted September 27 Russia is just 52 miles from Alaska. I am sure it is in the best interests of America for Ukraine to wear down the Russian war machine. 2 1
Popular Post thesetat2013 Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 18 minutes ago, Srikcir said: Look what's in plain sight. Putin wants genocide of every Ukrainian. Trump could care less. I do not believe Trump ever said that.... In fact, he has never specified how he could get the war stopped. But at least he said he would be able to get it stopped. Whereas Biden/Harris administration seem to want to make it last longer so they can make the weapons manufacturers more money. Even to the extent that it may cause WW3. 1 2 1
thesetat2013 Posted September 27 Posted September 27 1 minute ago, NativeBob said: Gay clown is the world leader? Ok. I will be forever scarred with images of your comment. 1 1
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted September 27 Popular Post Posted September 27 Meeting world leaders is fine of course. But touring the munitions plant, which just happens to be in a swing state? The Pennsylvania governor joining Zelensky in signing their names on artillery shells? Come on. The US and Russia are not at war, nor are the US and Ukraine allies in any legal sense. Why are American politicians signing munitions to be fired at another country? 1 1 4
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