Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants with sexual assault, murder convictions roaming US

[KhunLA]

"Unknown conservative source" .... "misinformation"

 

I'm sorry, did you y'all miss this part in the OP ...

 

... "ICE data

 

ICE provided the new data to lawmakers this week

 

Retired acting ICE Director Tom Homan calls out the vetting process under the Biden-Harris administration following illegal immigrants charged with sex crimes in Nantucket.

 

Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants with sex offenses and homicide convictions could be loose on the streets, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data provided to lawmakers this week. 

 

The agency provided data to Rep. Tony Gonzales, R-Texas, about national data for illegal immigrants with criminal charges or convictions. The data, as of July 2024"

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

26 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

"Unknown conservative source" .... "misinformation"

 

I'm sorry, did you y'all miss this part in the OP ...

 

... "ICE data

 

ICE provided the new data to lawmakers this week

 

Retired acting ICE Director Tom Homan calls out the vetting process under the Biden-Harris administration following illegal immigrants charged with sex crimes in Nantucket.

 

Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants with sex offenses and homicide convictions could be loose on the streets, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data provided to lawmakers this week. 

 

The agency provided data to Rep. Tony Gonzales, R-Texas, about national data for illegal immigrants with criminal charges or convictions. The data, as of July 2024"

 

Except according to a Department of Homeland Security statement reported today in Fox News, the cited stats from the ICE report are an aggregation of data going back over 40+ years!  And a lot of uncertainty over just how current/accurate the stats are for now, given that ICE seemingly doesn't always get updated when there's a status change.

 

"In a statement on Saturday, DHS said the data was being "misinterpreted."

 

"The data goes back decades; it includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this Administration," a spokesperson said. "It also includes many who are under the jurisdiction or currently incarcerated by federal, state or local law enforcement partners." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-mum-amid-outrage-001642921.html

 

 

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Except according to a Department of Homeland Security statement reported today in Fox News, the cited stats from the ICE report are an aggregation of data going back over 40+ years!  And a lot of uncertainty over just how current/accurate the stats are for now, given that ICE seemingly doesn't always get updated when there's a status change.

 

"In a statement on Saturday, DHS said the data was being "misinterpreted."

 

"The data goes back decades; it includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this Administration," a spokesperson said. "It also includes many who are under the jurisdiction or currently incarcerated by federal, state or local law enforcement partners." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-mum-amid-outrage-001642921.html

 

 

I wouldn't put much stock in anything the DHS states.

 

Between them & ICE, I know who I'd believe 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Then believe what CBP (Customs and Border Protection) reports below:

 

Here's a different set of stats on the CBP website that DOES call out their criminal convictions history data on arrests involving non-citizens by individual recent years, and also by type of prior criminal conviction among the people they have arrested.  And it paints a drastically different picture, with prior illegal entry convictions making up the largest criminal history share involving of their recent year arrests.

 

Criminal Noncitizen Statistics

"The following is a summary of U.S. Border Patrol enforcement actions related to arrests of criminal noncitizens for Fiscal Years 2017 - 2024.

 

Records checks of available law enforcement databases following the apprehension of an individual may reveal a history of criminal conviction(s). That conviction information is recorded in a U.S. Customs and Border Protection database, from which the data below is derived."

 

 

Yellow highlights below added for emphasis:

 

 

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics

 

By way of background:

 

"ICE and CBP are both components of the Department of Homeland Security; CBP enforces customs and immigration law at and near the border and ICE enforces customs and immigration laws at the border as well as in the interior of the United States. CBP is charged with keeping terrorists and their weapons out of the U.S. while facilitating lawful international travel and trade. ICE is responsible for protecting the United States from the cross-border crime and illegal immigration that threaten national security and public safety."

 

https://www.ice.gov/careers/faqs

 

 

 

 

Edited September 29 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Sigmund]

Sorry to break up the news to the Biden Harris fans, but amongst one of the most vicious and violent gangs in America, is the "MS" gang  from south america.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

"Unknown conservative source" .... "misinformation"

 

I'm sorry, did you y'all miss this part in the OP ...

 

... "ICE data

 

ICE provided the new data to lawmakers this week

 

Retired acting ICE Director Tom Homan calls out the vetting process under the Biden-Harris administration following illegal immigrants charged with sex crimes in Nantucket.

 

Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants with sex offenses and homicide convictions could be loose on the streets, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data provided to lawmakers this week. 

 

The agency provided data to Rep. Tony Gonzales, R-Texas, about national data for illegal immigrants with criminal charges or convictions. The data, as of July 2024"

It’s possible that ICE  members had a strategic plan to delegitimize harris by coordinating with the Congressman by waiting for the opportune time , her going to the border,some wounds never heal imop The receipts speak for themselves . How devastating!

 

“Kamala Harris is working tirelessly to reinvent herself as a mainstream moderate, but her record reveals she’s proudly aligned with the radical Left with a clear history of empowering criminals and vilifying our law enforcement,” said Chairman Arrington. “This is the same person who opened our southern border for criminals to flood our communities, praised defunding the police in Los Angeles, advocated for decriminalizing illegal immigration, compared ICE agents to the Ku Klux Klan, promoted the Minnesota Freedom Fund to bail out violent rioters, and authored legislation that would end cash bail and eliminate mandatory minimum sentencing”.

 

https://arrington.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=2436

Edited September 29 by riclag

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

Sorry to break up the news to the Biden Harris fans, but amongst one of the most vicious and violent gangs in America, is the "MS" gang  from south america.

 

And you think the MS gang only magically showed up in the U.S. under the Biden-Harris administration? Fraid not!

 

Why Trump Talked About MS-13 Gang Violence in His State of the Union

January 31, 2018

 

...

The uptick in violence has sparked a crackdown against MS-13 on Long Island, with the local police teaming up with federal law enforcement to take on the gang. Seventeen adult members and associates of MS-13 are facing charges in federal court on Long Island, including four members of the Westside Sailors clique who allegedly killed Cuevas and Mickens. 

 

Since the spring, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has arrested around 400 suspected gang members as part of the crackdown. However, the effort has also led to the unlawful detention of minors, including 26 teenagers who were held on charges of “gang affiliation,” but released in the past few months following a class-action lawsuit filed by the ACLU. 

 

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/why-trump-talked-about-ms-13-gang-violence-in-his-state-of-the-union/

 

Trump had a chance earlier this year to have Congress pass a bipartisan immigration bill that would have added new funding for more immigration officers, expand detention facilities and toughen various other immigration provisions. The legislation was supported by the border patrol officers union. And Trump had it killed.

 

"The bill was also supported by several groups that typically align with Republicans, such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Wall Street Journal editorial board. The National Border Patrol Council, a union that represents about 18,000 border patrol agents, also endorsed the bill."

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/unraveling-misinformation-about-bipartisan-immigration-bill/

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

28 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I wouldn't put much stock in anything the DHS states.

 

Between them & ICE, I know who I'd believe 

 

The ICE document that's the subject of this thread makes absolutely NO reference to what periods of time, or what presidential administrations, are reflected in their statistics. Entirely apart from how HHS has now clarified that the stats cover many past decades of reporting.

 

But misinformation peddlers are trying to blame the whole thing on Biden and Harris, when in fact there's no evidence to actually support that. And even Fox's own reporting as posted earlier in this thread acknowledges that most of the 430,000+ non-detained prior criminal history cases cited in the recent ICE report stemmed from 2016 and before.

 

"in August 2016, toward the end of the Obama administration, ICE said there were about 2.2 million noncitizens on the non-detained docket and about 368,574 were convicted criminals." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-mum-amid-outrage-001642921.html

 

So most of the criminal history stats being reported lately by ICE -- however accurate or inaccurate they may be) appear to predate BOTH the Trump and Biden administrations.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 29 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[riclag]

26 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

Sorry to break up the news to the Biden Harris fans, but amongst one of the most vicious and violent gangs in America, is the "MS" gang  from south america.

Thanks for offering that up!That gang

is vey popular and commits heinous atrocities .

This group  from the Venezuelan prisons ,TDA or Tren De Aragua is starting to make a country wide appearance , thanks to

the biden/ harris , illegal immigration crisis.

 

“What sets this group apart is the level of violence,” said Tabor, now retired from the DEA. “They’re aggressive, they’re hungry and they don’t know any boundaries because they’ve been allowed to spread their wings without any confrontation from law enforcement until now.”

https://apnews.com/article/tren-de-aragua-gang-venezuela-us-a12c8fee9dc4a0ca73769ea893e09e53

 

 

 

Edited September 29 by riclag

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And now finally, we have an official fact check calling out Trump and Co. on their immigration lies and misrepresenting the ICE statistics that are the subject of this misleading thread, and confirming what I've already posted here above:

 

Fact check: To attack Harris, Trump falsely describes new stats on immigrants and homicide

September 29, 2024

 

"Washington (CNN)  — Former President Donald Trump is wildly distorting new statistics on immigration and crime to attack Vice President Kamala Harris.

 

Trump falsely claimed Friday and Saturday that the statistics are specifically about criminal offenders who entered the US during the Biden-Harris administration; in reality, the figures are about offenders who entered the US over multiple decades, including during the Trump administration. And Trump falsely claimed that the statistics are specifically about people who are now living freely in the US; the figures actually include people who are currently in jails and prisons serving criminal sentences." [emphasis added]

...

The statistics have been deployed by Trump and various Republican lawmakers and right-wing commentators as alarming evidence of Harris’ supposed mismanagement of immigration policy. But in addition to exaggerating her role on the file — she was never actually “border czar” — much of the chatter has inaccurately described what the statistics show.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/29/politics/fact-check-trump-harris-immigrants-homicide/index.html

 

 

 

 

Edited September 29 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

This 2017 article from the Arizona Republic also confirms that the non-detained, non-citizens count from ICE (however accurate or inaccurate that count may be) was already at 368,000+ back in 2016 prior to the Trump Administration. (As earlier cited and attributed to a separate Fox News report earlier in this thread). And that figure represents most of the 430,000+ figure in the recently cited ICE letter, meaning most on the list predated both Trump and Biden!

 

"As of the end of August [2016], ICE was supervising about 2.2 million immigrants facing deportation who had been released after being detained, including 368,574 with criminal convictions, the report said." [emphasis added]

 

But more tellingly, the same Republic report then goes on to cite an Inspector General report that explains how overworked agents basically often were unable to keep track of what changes were occurring with people on their list, making the stats somewhat suspect.

 

"Because of overwhelming caseloads and inadequate oversight, overworked deportation officers told DHS inspectors that criminal-background checks were not always conducted when non-detained immigrants facing deportation arrived for routine check-ins with ICE. Other deportation officers reported they were sometimes unaware when undocumented immigrants facing deportation missed check-in appointments or missed court dates and sometimes lost track of the whereabouts of non-detained immigrants altogether."

 

AND

 

"The report "really illustrates that when ICE says that someone is under supervision that probably in most cases doesn’t mean much, that in fact ICE may have actually lost track of them or is failing to track them," she said."

 

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2017/04/21/trump-wants-expand-deportations-but-report-finds-ice-already-falling-behind/100763018/

 

 

[Danderman123]

Fact check: To attack Harris, Trump falsely describes new stats on immigrants and homicide

[jerrymahoney]

On 9/28/2024 at 4:16 PM, Isaan sailor said:

Don’t forget, we also have fentanyl coming into the US, as a result

Cartels increasingly use young US citizens for fentanyl smuggling

 

Published September 17, 2024 at 6:00 AM PDT

 

Contrary to election-year rhetoric from politicians like former President Donald Trump, Mexican drug cartels don’t rely on migrants crossing the border illegally to bring fentanyl into the country.

 

The truth is, in many ways, more disturbing. Rather than use undocumented migrants who are already vulnerable to capture and even death, the cartels use people who regularly cross the border legally. And an increasing number of these people are high school and college students.

 

“Organized crime is smart enough to select people who don’t have a criminal record,” Stephan said. “It’s very concerning to see these young high school kids, they are carrying fentanyl, have it strapped on their body and risking their own health.”

 

https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2024/09/17/cartels-increasingly-use-young-us-citizens-for-fentanyl-smuggling

[simple1]

Again misinformation from MAGA world. The numbers quoted include those released during trump's administration. We know MAGA world doesn't factcheck, so there is a possibility the liar will get back in power and destroy US institutions to the detriment of citizens.

 

CNN had fact-checked the senator’s statement, and found that it was misrepresented to imply that such numbers of criminals had been released under the Biden-Harris administration. Those numbers roughly described migrants released from custody over a decade or more, including the entirety of the Trump presidency.

 

“That statistic is actually over decades ... and some of them are in prison. Not ICE prisons, but federal prisons,” Tapper said, referring to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

 

Lindsey Graham hit with fact check after repeating Trump’s immigrant crime claims (msn.com)

Edited September 30 by simple1

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Again misinformation from MAGA world. The numbers quoted include those released during trump's administration

 

CNN had fact-checked the senator’s statement, and found that it was misrepresented to imply that such numbers of criminals had been released under the Biden-Harris administration. Those numbers roughly described migrants released from custody over a decade or more, including the entirety of the Trump presidency.

 

“That statistic is actually over decades ... and some of them are in prison. Not ICE prisons, but federal prisons,” Tapper said, referring to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

 

Lindsey Graham hit with fact check after repeating Trump’s immigrant crime claims (msn.com)

 

 

...and his response...

 

 “I can tell you this: the man who killed Laken Riley, in Georgia, was released by the Biden-Harris administration.”

 

What a pathetic little man.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And more debunking of Trump and Co.'s nonsense as posted in the OP of this thread:

 

Just because the cited people on the ICE document are not in ICE custody doesn't mean they at large in society, since the ICE list counts people who in fact are held in custody elsewhere -- making the Trump and Co.'s claims about the statistics bogus.

Trump, Vance Wrong About ‘Illegal Immigrant Murderers’

September 30, 2024

...

In its statement, the Department of Homeland Security said data in Lechleitner’s letter had been “misinterpreted.”

 

“The data goes back decades; it includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this Administration,” the statement said. “It also includes many who are under the jurisdiction or currently incarcerated by federal, state or local law enforcement partners.”

...

Similarly, Michelle Mittelstadt, director of communications for the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, told us that people have been on the non-detained docket “for decades.”

“There is a lot of confusion around the non-detained docket,” including “who is on it and how long they’ve been on it,” Mittelstadt said in an email. “This docket has grown under multiple administrations, including the Trump one. Significant numbers of people on the docket have been on it for decades.”

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/trump-vance-wrong-about-illegal-immigrant-murderers/

 

[Danderman123]

How many of those criminal illegal aliens are Canadian or Brits?