Ukraine ... Enlighten yourself

[couchpotato]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

This post is almost 100 per cent wrong in everything.

 

Literally almost every sentence is dripping with ignorance and ill-informed nonsense.

 

One would correct it, but it would take so long.

If you are going to write that the post is almost 100% wrong, then you should back up your comments with facts to dispute the post, or your interpretation. If you don't, then the ignorance belongs with you.

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

If you are going to write that the post is almost 100% wrong, then you should back up your comments with facts to dispute the post, or your interpretation. If you don't, then the ignorance belongs with you.

 

I really can't be bothered, it's just total nonsense.

[Cameroni]

9 hours ago, rickudon said:

Although there is no black and white as to who was lied too and who is right and who is wrong in the Ukraine war,

 

What are you talking about, there is a massive trail of statements by the West going back to 1989 where the West lies to Russia that it would not expand NATO. Russia repeatedly tells the West clearly that it feels threatened by NATO expansion and that Ukraine joining NATO is a red line, that it concerns their national security.  In 2008 at the Bucharest conference NATO reveals Ukraine will become a member. So it was, very clearly, the West that lied to Russia. 

 

10 hours ago, rickudon said:

There was very little negotiation,

 

There have been endless rounds of negotiation with Ukraine. When Ukraine tried to stiff Russia over gas, before that the Russo - Ukrainian friendship Treaty, endless rounds from 2014 to 2022.

 

https://www.declassifieduk.org/lets-just-fight-how-britain-prefers-war-over-peace-in-ukraine/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

 

Of course it's very hard to negotiate when the British prime minister flies in and tells Ukraine "Don't sign, if you do the West will not support Ukraine. We will send you billions and arms, let's just fight".

 

Though of course, it was a miracle that Russia would negotiate at all, since Ukraine had repeatedly ignored the  provisions of any treaty with Russia it agreed to and taken military and  other steps, such as banning Russian social media in Ukraine, to provoke Russians in Ukraine.

 

10 hours ago, rickudon said:

and then a Russian invasion of Crimea and fomenting of an insurrection in the Donbass

 

Russia did not "forment" any insurrection in the Donbass, the civil unrest in the majority Russian Donbass region was a result of the pro West demonstrations in the Western parts of Ukraine, which were gainst the interests of the Russian majority in Donbass. And of course the Crimean invasion was the result of the NATO disclosure in 2008 that Ukraine would join NATO, and the constant provocations of Russia by Ukraine before that, not paying their gas bill, prohibiting Russian websites and social media, etc.

 

10 hours ago, rickudon said:

But the Donbass? Just pure greed.

 

The Donbass is 90% Russian, Kiev had neglected the region so badly that they voted to rejoin the CIS again for the Russian language to be the main language, 90% voted in favour of this. The people of the Donbass wanted to rid themselves of the neglectful and incompetent Ukrainian government.

 

10 hours ago, rickudon said:

Economically, Russia is suffering. It is diverting a large percentage of its GDP to a war economy, but  there military-industrial complex is in disarray, due to corruption, lack of maintenance and sanctions. They are unable to replace many of the weapons they loose; without the help of North Korea, Iran and China, they would be short of ammunition and drones. At current rates of expenditure of weapons, Russia will only have infantry left in 2 years.

 

This is total nonsense on stilts, the Russian economy is NOT a war economy, it is very much a majority civil economy at the moment and the Russian economy is blooming at the moment.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68823399

 

If you are so completely ignorant on basically everything, rickudon, it would be better you don't comment on things you have no information or  do not understand at all.