Boris Johnson Suggests Putin Would Have Avoided Invading Ukraine if Trump Were President

[Cameroni]

21 minutes ago, johng said:

Coupled with the recent Covid lockdown backtracking  perhaps he knows something is coming...trying to revise history before the reckoning ?  

 

He certainly denied what the head of the Ukraine delegation was saying, that he flew in to say the West won't support Ukraine if the sign the peace deal and they should just fight.

 

Johnson is a world class liar of course, though I don't know why he denies reports from the Ukrainians themselves, as if that were believable.

[johng]

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Johnson is a world class liar of course,

Yes Aren't they all ? (99.99%)

I just find it interesting that he is now seemingly backtracking on 2 very major issues  and icing on the cake they have both been deemed conspiracy theories in the (not too distant) past.

[Cameroni]

30 minutes ago, johng said:

Yes Aren't they all ? (99.99%)

I just find it interesting that he is now seemingly backtracking on 2 very major issues  and icing on the cake they have both been deemed conspiracy theories in the (not too distant) past.

 

It is remarkable isn't it. 

 

Yah, politicians are liars across the board, who are we kidding.

[nauseus]

12 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Two unstable leaders, Trump and Putin, what could go wrong when things escalate.

 

Biden.

[coolcarer]

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It is remarkable isn't it. 

 

Yah, politicians are liars across the board, who are we kidding.

Across the board, even Ukraine politicians?

[Cameroni]

Just now, coolcarer said:

Across the board, even Ukraine politicians?

 

You think Zelensky going to the US talking up his "victory plan" as his city of Vuhledar fell to the Russians was not a master class in lies and deception?

 

You think they don't know they can't win this war? They know.

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He certainly would not have provided assistance to Ukraine (AKA do nothing to oppose Putin’s illegal war of invasion).

 

He sent more than Obama after 2014.

[coolcarer]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

You think Zelensky going to the US talking up his "victory plan" as his city of Vuhledar fell to the Russians was not a master class in lies and deception?

 

You think they don't know they can't win this war? They know.

Oh I see politicians lie across the board only when it suits you. Got it

Edited October 7 by coolcarer

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Let’s test your connection to the fact based universe with a simple question:

 

Who started the illegal war of invasion into Ukraine?

 

 

Deflection away from a question....with another question. 

 

Predictable.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, Nickcage49 said:

Shut up Johnson. You're irrelevant.

 

Check the OP for a clue as to why he is not.

[Cameroni]

24 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Oh I see politicians lie across the board only when it suits you. Got it

 

What are you on about? I said the Ukrainian politicians are liars as well. 

 

Can it be any clearer?

[coolcarer]

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

What are you on about? I said the Ukrainian politicians are liars as well. 

 

Can it be any clearer?

I know. Why do you keep quoting what a Ukraine politician said about Boris Johnson then, especially since Boris denied it. 

Edited October 7 by coolcarer

[NativeBob]

Actually the current military operation in UA happened EXACTLY because of this <explicit> SOB

[Cameroni]

36 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

I know. Why do you keep quoting what a Ukraine politician said about Boris Johnson then, especially since Boris denied it. 

 

Because he reported on a meeting with a Brit, this was not an election issue. It was not a reputation issue for him. That account is obviously the truth. They do not lie 100 per cent of the time.

[coolcarer]

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Because he reported on a meeting with a Brit, this was not an election issue. It was not a reputation issue for him. That account is obviously the truth. They do not lie 100 per cent of the time.

Back to…..

1 hour ago, coolcarer said:

Oh I see politicians lie across the board only when it suits you. Got it

even Ukraine politicians do not lie when it suits you……lol

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

the special operations by Russia were in response to the US meddling in Ukraine/Russain business. either by funding neo nazis or bringing Ukraine into nato.

 

like a said, get out of you cOLD war bubble.

You didn’t answer the very easy question I asked.

 

 

Edited October 7 by Chomper Higgot

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Back to…..

even Ukraine politicians do not lie when it suits you……lol

Obviously when they do not have a reason to lie and gain nothing by the statement you can consider if the statement could be true.

 

Nobody lies 100 per cent of the time.

 

Not even Boris Liar Johnson. What he said about Trump is absolutely true. With Trump in the white house, the Ukraine war would not have happened.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

But Johnson flew in precisly to tell Zelensky not to sign a peace treaty! They could have had peace, even with Johnson and Biden and Harris! But they just decided, no, let's just fight.

 

So Johnson flies to Zelensky to tell him, don't make peace, let's just fight and at the same time he says Trump's presence alone would have prevented war?

 

But you could have prevented war Boris, you and Biden and Kamala. You just decided to fight, you <deleted>.

Already debunked.

[coolcarer]

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Obviously when they do not have a reason to lie and gain nothing by the statement you can consider if the statement could be true.

 

Nobody lies 100 per cent of the time.

 

Not even Boris Liar Johnson. What he said about Trump is absolutely true. With Trump in the white house, the Ukraine war would not have happened.

You are so funny. Now Boris only lies when it suits you…lol

[Nick Carter icp]

13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Obviously when they do not have a reason to lie and gain nothing by the statement you can consider if the statement could be true.

 

Nobody lies 100 per cent of the time.

 

Not even Boris Liar Johnson. What he said about Trump is absolutely true. With Trump in the white house, the Ukraine war would not have happened.

 

   No one can say with any certainty whether Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Trump was POTUS , because no one can know for sure , I suppose that only Putin would know 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

He certainly denied what the head of the Ukraine delegation was saying, that he flew in to say the West won't support Ukraine if the sign the peace deal and they should just fight.

 

Johnson is a world class liar of course, though I don't know why he denies reports from the Ukrainians themselves, as if that were believable.

He denied what Putin is also saying.

 

And you forget Ukraine rejected negotiations as a direct result of atrocities committed by the Russians in in Bucha, Irpin, Borodianka, Azovstal.

 

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/un-report-details-summary-executions-civilians-russian-troops-northern

[frank83628]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Already debunked.

of course it was

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, frank83628 said:

of course it was

Any witnesses to the alleged conversation?

[Cameroni]

56 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Already debunked.

 

You are wrong. 

 

It was not.

[Cameroni]

46 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

You are so funny. Now Boris only lies when it suits you…lol

 

I was not talking about Boris Liar Johnson. I was talking about that Ukrainian bloke who headed the Ukrainian delegation and said that Johnson came, said the West would not support Ukraine if they signed and that Johnson said "let us just fight".

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

You are wrong. 

 

It was not.

It certainly has.

 

The events surrounding the collapse of peace talks are clearly what brought about that collapse.

 

Not some alleged conversation to which no witnesses are named and is confirmed by nobody…. Although Putin does repeat it.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I was not talking about Boris Liar Johnson. I was talking about that Ukrainian bloke who headed the Ukrainian delegation and said that Johnson came, said the West would not support Ukraine if they signed and that Johnson said "let us just fight".

The guy who has provided zero corroboration of the conversation he alleges.

 

Not one witness mentioned or named.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 7 by Chomper Higgot

[RoyBattyy93]

Was Boris Johnson aware that Trump actually praised Putin's invasion initiative  ?

How could it have been any different if Trump was president at that time ? As it was said in another thread, it was more likely that Trump would have committed U.S. resources to help Russia instead of Ukraine .

 

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-putin-savvy-genius/

Fact Check

Yes, Trump Called Putin's Ukraine Strategy 'Savvy' and 'Genius'

 

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-praise-putin-smart-war-ukraine-invasion-1682182

Donald Trump Praises 'Very Smart' Putin

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited October 7 by RoyBattyy93

[Cameroni]

48 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It certainly has.

 

The events surrounding the collapse of peace talks are clearly what brought about that collapse.

 

Not some alleged conversation to which no witnesses are named and is confirmed by nobody…. Although Putin does repeat it.

 

Yes, I am sure Boris Johnson flying in unexpectedly and delivering the message "The West will not support Ukraine if you sign this peace deal with Russia, and btw, let us just fight, we will send you billions and weapons" had absolutely no bearing on the decision whatsoever.

 

Do you also have a bridge in Brooklyn you would care to sell?

 

[Cameroni]

48 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The guy who has provided zero corroboration of the conversation he alleges.

 

Not one witness mentioned or named.

 

 

 

 

Why, oh why, would the head of the Ukrainian delegation lie to say something like this?

 

What you are suggesting does not even make sense.

 

You are being completely ridiculous and just sticking your head in the sand because this Ukrainian witness report does not fit your view on the war. Lol.

 

I almost feel sorry for you.