Car recommendations

[Gweiloman]

14 minutes ago, RethairedJarhead said:

No idea… Either way that doesn’t take away from all said about the Titanium. 
 

What I do you know is over the last 40 years I’ve driven luxury German cars and SUVs… I wasn’t going to pay the prices they want for them over here because out in the countryside there isn’t a lot of support- however anywhere I go in Thailand, I can find a Ford dealer.

 

But hey, you stick to your guns.

 

Cheers

Over the last 40 years, I’ve driven a Ford Cortina, owned a Ford Escort 1.6, Ford Laser 1.3 and most recently in Thailand, the Ford Ranger 2.2 XLT. My off-road day in the UK was also a Ford Escort.

 

I’ve had few problems, nothing major. But it’s definitely not what I would consider a premium vehicle in terms of build quality. Having owned a Lexus, Audi and Benz, I’m amazed at how some Chinese companies have managed to build pretty much the same quality at much more affordable prices, even after taking into account the tariffs imposed on the luxury brands.

[RethairedJarhead]

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Edited October 19 by RethairedJarhead

[RethairedJarhead]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Over the last 40 years, I’ve driven a Ford Cortina, owned a Ford Escort 1.6, Ford Laser 1.3 and most recently in Thailand, the Ford Ranger 2.2 XLT. My off-road day in the UK was also a Ford Escort.

 

I’ve had few problems, nothing major. But it’s definitely not what I would consider a premium vehicle in terms of build quality. Having owned a Lexus, Audi and Benz, I’m amazed at how some Chinese companies have managed to build pretty much the same quality at much more affordable prices, even after taking into account the tariffs imposed on the luxury brands.

 

I’ve had isolated issues with Benz and BMWs over the years- but I also had many with no problems. I don’t think any class or brand is immune. Same as Ford (during the fix or repair daily years), there was a time when no one would buy a Jaguar or Audi because they spent more time in the shop than the road. 

I see you’ve driven a lot of troublesome Fords… I did have a late 90s Lincoln Navigator with all the bells and whistles that I quite liked until gas prices shot up, then sold it to the highest ebay bidder… yet it was a Ford and I had no issues with it- granted only had it for two years.

 

I do my homework before spending money. Titanium has a good track record and I like the integrated tech for performance and comfort. PPV suspension fits my life like a glove and I’ve used four wheel mode a few times in the mud, also I fear no highway pothole. It’s as quiet and smooth as any car I’ve driven- the sound system rivals my last Benz. Remote start isn’t bad either when it’s hot outside 95% of the year!

 

I’m a car fan-boy who digs tech… there are a lot impressive vehicles on the market and I love it… however if an EMP goes off all the tech won’t work and we’ll all be roughing it anyhow🫏😀

 

Cheers

Edited October 19 by RethairedJarhead

[Hanuman2547]

14 hours ago, KannikaP said:

And?

And what?  I answered that on my original post on 7 October (page 1)

[Hanuman2547]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Over the last 40 years, I’ve driven a Ford Cortina, owned a Ford Escort 1.6, Ford Laser 1.3 and most recently in Thailand, the Ford Ranger 2.2 XLT.

 

I always liked the Ford Cortina from many years ago.  

[Yodarapper]

The 3 we can afford and are looking at are:

 

toyota Yaris cross

toyota veloz - new one coming soon?

mitsubishi expander cross

 

Thoughts? Would want to buy in December.

[vinny41]

30 minutes ago, Yodarapper said:

The 3 we can afford and are looking at are:

 

toyota Yaris cross

toyota veloz - new one coming soon?

mitsubishi expander cross

 

Thoughts? Would want to buy in December.

Why buy in December if you look at online insurance sites

put in the details for a Toyota yaris cross purchased December 2023 and the same car for Toyota yaris January 2024 the capital value will be more for the January 2024 model that the December 2023 model that indicates from an insurance point of view the January Yaris 2024 model has a higher value than the December 2023 model even though the purchase price of the car was the same

Have you and your wife  look at the safety aspects of your selected models 

[Yodarapper]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Why buy in December if you look at online insurance sites

put in the details for a Toyota yaris cross purchased December 2023 and the same car for Toyota yaris January 2024 the capital value will be more for the January 2024 model that the December 2023 model that indicates from an insurance point of view the January Yaris 2024 model has a higher value than the December 2023 model even though the purchase price of the car was the same

Have you and your wife  look at the safety aspects of your selected models 

i don’t understand - we wait until December to save up the down payment. We have not looked at the safety but more at the price. We assume these top brands are quite safe. I think I would lean towards the veloz but with rumours a hybrid is coming soon I wouldn’t want to take a risk

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, Yodarapper said:

i don’t understand - we wait until December to save up the down payment. We have not looked at the safety but more at the price. We assume these top brands are quite safe. I think I would lean towards the veloz but with rumours a hybrid is coming soon I wouldn’t want to take a risk

Your looking at resale value in 2-3 years time if you buy in December the car will have a lower resale value than if you buy the same model in January and that is reflected in the capital value that insurance companies quote

Don't assume anything regarding car safety some models in your selection have 6 airbags 1 model has only 2 airbags so driver and passenger only no airbags for rear passengers

Some models have 5 star safety ratings Some have 4 star ratings and Some have 3 star ratings 

I would expect Veloz hybrid to be announced in either the Motor show next month or the motor show in March

Also take into consideration country of manufacturer as that can impact on parts availability, part pricing and insurance costs

[JBChiangRai]

My advice is to buy a one year old car and choose a model that depreciates massively in the first year.

 

Suzuki Ciaz, MG ZS or something similar.  Budget no more than 400k thb. 2024, still under warranty, how much can you lose?

Edited October 31 by JBChiangRai

[Yodarapper]

Hi ALL!

 

Looks like the Veloz Hybrid is not coming out any time soon, therefore Im pretty much stuck on the Toyota Yaris Cross - budget and resale value etc.

 

What about an MG? Like the MG ZS looks pretty cheap on their official site, could that be a good option too?

 

Thanks

[KhunLA]

4 hours ago, Yodarapper said:

Hi ALL!

 

Looks like the Veloz Hybrid is not coming out any time soon, therefore Im pretty much stuck on the Toyota Yaris Cross - budget and resale value etc.

 

What about an MG? Like the MG ZS looks pretty cheap on their official site, could that be a good option too?

 

Thanks

Been a month already.  I like your style, putting some thought into it.  I had the MG ZS (2020 ICE) and loved it.   So much so, we got the EV version when it was upgraded.

 

I'd definitely take the ZS vs Yaris Cross, as Yaris a bit of an under performer.  Even though a HEV.  With that, you may want to hold off, as the ZS is suppose to come out with a Hybrid version for 2025.

 

Comparing the current ZS vs Yaris Cross now ...

 

source

 

They are still advertiseing the MG ZS  EV @ ฿599k, a bargain if you can find one.

 

Peek at the MG VS, if wanting a hybrid, and very nice 👍

 

 

 

[Yodarapper]

33 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Been a month already.  I like your style, putting some thought into it.  I had the MG ZS (2020 ICE) and loved it.   So much so, we got the EV version when it was upgraded.

 

I'd definitely take the ZS vs Yaris Cross, as Yaris a bit of an under performer.  Even though a HEV.  With that, you may want to hold off, as the ZS is suppose to come out with a Hybrid version for 2025.

 

Comparing the current ZS vs Yaris Cross now ...

 

source

 

They are still advertiseing the MG ZS  EV @ ฿599k, a bargain if you can find one.

 

Peek at the MG VS, if wanting a hybrid, and very nice 👍

 

 

 

 

So do you recommend the MG VS and that model at 700K? Good car?

 

Yes, taking our time, also waiting to save for the downpayment 🙂 

 

Was waiting for the new hybrid Veloz but looks like it's not coming until later in the year.....Yes, the Mg is attractive because of price 🙂

[Yodarapper]

Yes….i am still undecided and yes I know but I am taking my time….

 

just seen Toyota have some deal for the motor show for the Veloz - with no sign of when the new hybrid veloz will be released is this still a good car/deal to get?

[KhunLA]

On 11/10/2024 at 7:27 PM, Yodarapper said:

 

So do you recommend the MG VS and that model at 700K? Good car?

 

Yes, taking our time, also waiting to save for the downpayment 🙂 

 

Was waiting for the new hybrid Veloz but looks like it's not coming until later in the year.....Yes, the Mg is attractive because of price 🙂

Personally not a fan of hybrid, as no seeing the need, practicality of 2 systems.  But, if going with an ICEV anyway, PHEV or HEV would be better, I guess.  BEV fan myself.  

 

MG fan also, since had / have the ZS, ICE & BEV versions, respectfully.  Had Toyota & Mazda in the past, and wouldn't buy another.  Overpriced underperformers.

Edited November 13 by KhunLA

[vinny41]

On 11/10/2024 at 7:27 PM, Yodarapper said:

 

So do you recommend the MG VS and that model at 700K? Good car?

 

Yes, taking our time, also waiting to save for the downpayment 🙂 

 

Was waiting for the new hybrid Veloz but looks like it's not coming until later in the year.....Yes, the Mg is attractive because of price 🙂

You have to understand the MG ZS is cheap for a reason its End of Life it is being  replaced by a new model which will be launched at Motor show at the end of this month or at Motor show in March

there nothing wrong with buying an EOL car just so long as you understand its EOL and EOL does have an impact on future resale values

The pricing of the new model seems to be extremely competitive in China have to wait and see if similar pricing will be the same for Thailand

https://carnewschina.com/2024/11/06/mg-es5-electric-suv-enters-china-for-13950-usd-with-subsidies/

 

 

[CallumWK]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

there nothing wrong with buying an EOL car just so long as you understand its EOL and EOL does have an impact on future resale values

 

Since you bring up the EOL impact on resale, I have another question, which you may be able to answer.

In those EV threads, I always notice the fanboys bragging about the lifetime warranty on their batteries, which the manufacturers have increased from several year to lifetime.

I know for a fact that lifetime warranty on other things, like for example PC RAM, ends when the manufacturer discontinues that particular model.

Do you think same logic applies to EV batteries, because with the quick changes of EV models, lifetime could actually have a very short span?

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Since you bring up the EOL impact on resale, I have another question, which you may be able to answer.

In those EV threads, I always notice the fanboys bragging about the lifetime warranty on their batteries, which the manufacturers have increased from several year to lifetime.

I know for a fact that lifetime warranty on other things, like for example PC RAM, ends when the manufacturer discontinues that particular model.

Do you think same logic applies to EV batteries, because with the quick changes of EV models, lifetime could actually have a very short span?

I do believe the same applies for lifetime waranty on  EV batteries i have seen reports where the warranty reverts to the standard warranty of 8 years 

[KhunLA]

52 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

You have to understand the MG ZS is cheap for a reason its End of Life it is being  replaced by a new model which will be launched at Motor show at the end of this month or at Motor show in March

there nothing wrong with buying an EOL car just so long as you understand its EOL and EOL does have an impact on future resale values

The pricing of the new model seems to be extremely competitive in China have to wait and see if similar pricing will be the same for Thailand

https://carnewschina.com/2024/11/06/mg-es5-electric-suv-enters-china-for-13950-usd-with-subsidies/

It's only EOL if the manufacturer actually goes out of business.  Can't see SAIC doing that in our lifetime.  Or myself, or even wife, outlasting the life of our MG ZS EV.   If so, then value of any <1M baht vehicle isn't worth much after 10-15-20 yrs, although motor & battery pack should have an after market value, and or, battery added to one's solar system.

 

ICEV after 10-15-20 yrs is basically scrap metal.   Especially if mandates are put in, for new car sales to be EVs.   Surely after market businesses will be available for older EVs in the future, and nothing goes to waste in most countries, especially TH.

[CallumWK]

12 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

It's only EOL if the manufacturer actually goes out of business.

 

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

It's only EOL if the manufacturer actually goes out of business.  Can't see SAIC doing that in our lifetime.  Or myself, or even wife, outlasting the life of our MG ZS EV.   If so, then value of any <1M baht vehicle isn't worth much after 10-15-20 yrs, although motor & battery pack should have an after market value, and or, battery added to one's solar system.

 

ICEV after 10-15-20 yrs is basically scrap metal.   Especially if mandates are put in, for new car sales to be EVs.   Surely after market businesses will be available for older EVs in the future, and nothing goes to waste in most countries, especially TH.

You do spout some rubbish EOL is when a  manufacture chooses to no longer build example MG ZS 2019 went eol when MG started building MG ZS 2022

 

Tell the million of classic car owners that their ICEV vehicles are basically scrap metal your living on a different  world if anything the older ICEV vehicles are more expensive than when they were sold originally

Look at Shelby Cobra 427 as a good example

The price of a Shelby Cobra 427 can vary widely depending on the model year, condition, mileage, options, and history: 

1965 Shelby Cobra 427

In 1965, a new Shelby Cobra cost around $6,000. In 2023, a 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 sold for $660,000 at Mecum - Indy. 

1966 Shelby Cobra 427

A 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 in good condition with average specs typically sells for around $1,300,000. In 2023, a 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 sold for $1,430,000 at Mecum - Kissimmee. 

1966 Shelby Cobra 427 Super Snake

One of only two ever made, this model is highly sought-after by collectors and can sell for millions of dollars. 

 

[KhunLA]

54 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

You do spout some rubbish EOL is when a  manufacture chooses to no longer build example MG ZS 2019 went eol when MG started building MG ZS 2022

 

Tell the million of classic car owners that their ICEV vehicles are basically scrap metal your living on a different  world if anything the older ICEV vehicles are more expensive than when they were sold originally

Look at Shelby Cobra 427 as a good example

The price of a Shelby Cobra 427 can vary widely depending on the model year, condition, mileage, options, and history: 

1965 Shelby Cobra 427

In 1965, a new Shelby Cobra cost around $6,000. In 2023, a 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 sold for $660,000 at Mecum - Indy. 

1966 Shelby Cobra 427

A 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 in good condition with average specs typically sells for around $1,300,000. In 2023, a 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 sold for $1,430,000 at Mecum - Kissimmee. 

1966 Shelby Cobra 427 Super Snake

One of only two ever made, this model is highly sought-after by collectors and can sell for millions of dollars. 

 

And how many make it to classic car level, kept for long term, till value exceeds original purchase price.

 

Yes, I wish I still had my ...

... 1950 Buick Special (bought in 1975), already a classic

... 1960's VW hippie van

... 1980 Firebird

... 1980's Maxima

... 1976 ? Ford F-150

... even my 1963s Chevys Impalas or 1969 Nova

... 19??  Buick Special glass roofed wagon.

... 196? Ford Fairlane

... 1976 Monto Carlo

... along with my 1975 Honda 750cc & 1981 900cc

 

Surely my brothers wished they had there 1st VW Bugs, MGBs, TR7.  1969/70 Malibu & Cuda, not to mention his worked '55' Chevys.

 

I guess in 20 yrs, our ZS will be a classic ... 

Although, so many will still be around, it will simply be a classic, outdated, under performing,

POS.  Valuable only repurposed to the solar system 

 

Junk yards are full of should have, would have, could have been, classic cars, stripped & scrapped.

Edited November 14 by KhunLA

[vinny41]

54 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

And how many make it to classic car level, kept for long term, till value exceeds original purchase price.

 

Yes, I wish I still had my ...

... 1950 Buick Special (bought in 1975), already a classic

... 1960's VW hippie van

... 1980 Firebird

... 1980's Maxima

... 1976 ? Ford F-150

... even my 1963s Chevys Impalas or 1969 Nova

... 19??  Buick Special glass roofed wagon.

... 196? Ford Fairlane

... 1976 Monto Carlo

... along with my 1975 Honda 750cc & 1981 900cc

 

Surely my brothers wished they had there 1st VW Bugs, MGBs, TR7.  1969/70 Malibu & Cuda, not to mention his worked '55' Chevys.

 

I guess in 20 yrs, our ZS will be a classic ... 

Although, so many will still be around, it will simply be a classic, outdated, under performing,

POS.  Valuable only repurposed to the solar system 

 

Junk yards are full of should have, would have, could have been, classic cars, stripped & scrapped.

In 1985 there was some people did took a punt at buying the Sinclair C5 at a discounted rate of £140 today those unboxed never use C5 are selling for £5,000 3600% increase of the original purchase price

https://www.footmanjames.co.uk/blog/sinclair-c5-electric-car-the-future-too-soon

Your MG ZS EV maybe a classic car in 25 years time 

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[Yodarapper]

Is the veloz then an ok option even if a new one is coming out sometime soon?

[KhunLA]

8 minutes ago, Yodarapper said:

Is the veloz then an ok option even if a new one is coming out sometime soon?

Have you actually driven one ?  800k to start, and specs aren't great ...

 

... certainly wouldn't be my choice 😎

 

[vinny41]

27 minutes ago, Yodarapper said:

Is the veloz then an ok option even if a new one is coming out sometime soon?

To answer your question you should really pm existing Veloz forum members such @srowndedbyh2o @mudcat @triplez @luckyscruff

Othewise the EV fanboys on this forum will steer you in the direction of an EV regardless if it is the right choice for you and your family or not

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

To answer your question you should really pm existing Veloz forum members such  ... Othewise the EV fanboys on this forum will steer you in the direction of an EV regardless if it is the right choice for you and your family or not

Not really  ... and I recommended these, ICEV & Hybrid, since expressing interest in them.   Same or cheaper than anything JP has made & badged here in TH.  Along with outperforms. 

 

Yea, I'm an SAIC / MG fan, having owned 'made in TH' Toyota & Mazda, and wouldn't even consider again, along with other badged JP autos.  JP badge autos seem to be overpriced under performers.

 

Edited November 14 by KhunLA

[vinny41]

15 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Not really  ... and I recommended these, ICEV & Hybrid, since expressing interest in them.   Same or cheaper than anything JP has made & badged here in TH.  Along with outperforms. 

 

Yea, I'm an SAIC / MG fan, having owned 'made in TH' Toyota & Mazda, and wouldn't even consider again, along with other badged JP autos.

 

And the op is looking for a family car for him his wife and 2 small children I am sure most families when looking for a family car very low down on their  list of requirements are  maximum horse power and maximum torque 

In Fact I don't know of anyone that has purchased a family car where their prime requirement is performance

they tend to look at more the safety aspects types seat belts and fixtures air bags and other safety features

In Thailand it is still possible to buy a new car where airbags are for driver and front passenger while other brands in Thailand offer 6 or 7 airbags for all passengers not just driver and front passenger

And your basing your recommendations on your requirements not the op's I think the whole forum would be shocked if MG man recommended a brand that didn't include MG in the recommendations

 

Edited November 14 by vinny41
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[mudcat]

Two years with our Veloz next month.  The jump seats (6th and 7th passengers get used once a month or so).  Appreciate the isofix latching for up to two child car seats and the side airbags for rear seat passengers.  Dislike the aerodynamics that collect dust on the rear window up here in the northeast, may not be an issue where you live.  

 

The Veloz replaced a Chevrolet Spin which was orphaned by Chevrolet leaving the SE Asia markets.  When I received my LTR visa my ThB 800k retirement  visa account We looked at other alternatives and settled on the Veloz. Did not consider any Chinese EVs, but if we were looking today we would consider a Yaris Cross HEV.

 

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

And the op is looking for a family car for him his wife and 2 small children I am sure most families when looking for a family car very low down on their  list of requirements are  maximum horse power and maximum torque 

In Fact I don't know of anyone that has purchased a family car where their prime requirement is performance

they tend to look at more the safety aspects types seat belts and fixtures air bags and other safety features

In Thailand it is still possible to buy a new car where airbags are for driver and front passenger while other brands in Thailand offer 6 or 7 airbags for all passengers not just driver and front passenger

And your basing your recommendations on your requirements not the op's I think the whole forum would be shocked if MG man recommended a brand that didn't include MG in the recommendations

 

Oh contraire ... when you, wife kids & trunk packed up, it would be nice to have a bit more performance, when O&A.  Especially since you're paying for it.  Why settle for less, especially when it cost more.

 

Did state I'm a MG fan, especially after owner other brands from JP.  No different the Toyota fans recommending what they know or read about.   Except, I've owned what I talk about,   Whether recommending or stating, I wouldn't bother again.

 

OP asked for recommendations ... that's what I gave and reason why.  Here on forum & PMs.  

 

Hard to beat the MG VS HEV for safety & performance, along with fuel economy of a HEV ...  added plus of being less expensive of everything else OP has looked at.  

 

... Toyota Yaris Cross is ฿789,000 - ฿899,000

... Toyota Veloz is ฿795,000–875,000 THB

 

.... MG VS HEV ... ฿699,000 TBH

 

Edited November 14 by KhunLA