Could an October Surprise Shift the Deadlocked Trump-Harris Race?

[morrobay]

Actually its October Surprises.  https://pjmedia.com/rick-moran/2024/10/05/three-years-ago-harris-was-put-in-charge-of-the-425-billion-internet-for-all-plan-where-is-it-n4933097

[frank83628]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It doesn't appear that anything can happen in terms of a revelation about Trump's moral bankruptcy, previous crimes, or lack of character, which will influence his supporters. Most are aware of who he is, and what he is, and they're planning on voting for him anyway.

 

So what could happen that could influence the campaign would be some ugly revelations about Harris. Let's see what happens, I still think it's her election to win. 

that just shows you how much disdain people had for the us political system. the reason trump won in the first place was people wanted a change from the normal BS, wars and false promises, . i'm surprised that the so called 'intelligent' democrats don't understand something so simple.

[frank83628]

8 hours ago, Tug said:

Straight out of the putin playbook……..

when you have nothing.....A, Putin, B, hitler, C, rasict, D, fascist.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, mfd101 said:

So you think it's in the US' interest to allow the Russians to take over Ukraine?

Russia does not want to take over Ukraine or expand into Europe, if you listened to other news that the US wesrtern crap you might know that.

[Dan O]

11 hours ago, mfd101 said:

Anything can happen. A stumble here, an obvious lie there, a 'misspoke' somewhere else.

 

Looks like being fascinating till the end, watching a once-great nation falling apart.

Yeah thats what Trump brought during his presidency and the US has struggled to regain what he f'd up.

[spidermike007]

Here is what Trump has done for America!: Only 13 Presidents failed to get re-elected. Only 5 Presidents failed to win the popular vote. Only 4 Presidents have been impeached or resigned. Only 1 President has ever been criminally indicted. And only ONE President has done ALL FOUR. -

DJT didn't lower taxes (He deferred them) -

He didn't get Americans that healthcare coverage -

He did not unite the USA, he divided it -

He didn't lower prescription drug prices -

He didn't get roads or bridges built He didn't decrease the deficit -

He didn't end the opioid crisis -

He made over 250 visits to his golf clubs costing us taxpayers $150 million -

He didn't revive the coal industry -

He didn't make covid-19 'disappear' He didn't make Mexico pay for the wall 

He is ranked the worst President in history 

He added $2 Billion a month in tariff costs to the American consumer

He has a net-negative jobs creations for his administration 

He decreased corporate taxes, passing the tax burden to the workers 

He added $ 7.8 Trillion to the deficit - a full 25% of the total deficit 

He incited an insurrection against our government 

He is the only president to never achieve 50% approval. 

He didn't put "America first" and he sure didn't "Drain the Swamp... 

He left office with the worst job numbers of any President since the Great Depression with a net job loss over his term 

He is the first former president to be a CONVICTED FELON (34 times). 

 

The presidency is very much about character. Trump is a lowlife convicted felon.

 

He completely blew it. Again. This man is his own worst promoter. He should stop talking. Nearly everything he says is nonsense, pure fabrication, or outright lies. Not sure what he thought he would gain by this appearance, as he does not do well with audiences that do not displaying total fealty to their Master. 

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

and what do you think will happen when the result is called?,

i'm pretty sure neither side will accept it. will it all kick off and descend into riots?

i am 100% it will if Trumps wins the place will get smashed up by the paid blm antifa posse.  if Harris wins.... not so sure hoe maga will react

You've twisted reality once again. If Trump loses there is no way that he's going to accept the results, he's pretty much already said that that's the case. If Harris loses she will bow out gracefully just like every other Democratic Contender that's lost in the last hundred years.

 

I guess you already forgot January 6th. 

[nauseus]

13 hours ago, neeray said:

I see it more as Trump has pulled "every dirty trick in the legal book". Whatever has been "thrown at him", he deserved and brought this sh*t on himself. Inciting a riot to support his government takeover effort is one pretty good example! Lives were lost and now it has come out that Mike Pence's life was in danger, and what did Trump say when told? Trump just said, "SO WHAT". 

 

Link it or stow it.

[nauseus]

23 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Here is what Trump has done for America!: Only 13 Presidents failed to get re-elected. Only 5 Presidents failed to win the popular vote. Only 4 Presidents have been impeached or resigned. Only 1 President has ever been criminally indicted. And only ONE President has done ALL FOUR. -

DJT didn't lower taxes (He deferred them) -

He didn't get Americans that healthcare coverage -

He did not unite the USA, he divided it -

He didn't lower prescription drug prices -

He didn't get roads or bridges built He didn't decrease the deficit -

He didn't end the opioid crisis -

He made over 250 visits to his golf clubs costing us taxpayers $150 million -

He didn't revive the coal industry -

He didn't make covid-19 'disappear' He didn't make Mexico pay for the wall 

He is ranked the worst President in history 

He added $2 Billion a month in tariff costs to the American consumer

He has a net-negative jobs creations for his administration 

He decreased corporate taxes, passing the tax burden to the workers 

He added $ 7.8 Trillion to the deficit - a full 25% of the total deficit 

He incited an insurrection against our government 

He is the only president to never achieve 50% approval. 

He didn't put "America first" and he sure didn't "Drain the Swamp... 

He left office with the worst job numbers of any President since the Great Depression with a net job loss over his term 

He is the first former president to be a CONVICTED FELON (34 times). 

 

The presidency is very much about character. Trump is a lowlife convicted felon.

 

He completely blew it. Again. This man is his own worst promoter. He should stop talking. Nearly everything he says is nonsense, pure fabrication, or outright lies. Not sure what he thought he would gain by this appearance, as he does not do well with audiences that do not displaying total fealty to their Master. 

 

What's this? 

 

 

 

looks like a bs wish list from Tug.

[frank83628]

21 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

You've twisted reality once again. If Trump loses there is no way that he's going to accept the results, he's pretty much already said that that's the case. If Harris loses she will bow out gracefully just like every other Democratic Contender that's lost in the last hundred years.

 

I guess you already forgot January 6th. 

i am not talking about Harris or Trump, i am talking about their supporters.

 

jan 6th was BS, i couldn't care less, it's just you lot pearl clutching, which Dem was it that compared it to the holocaust ?

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

What's this? 

 

 

 

looks like a bs wish list from Tug.

It is a completely bizarre thing known as truth and reality, ever heard of it? 

[bendejo]

The first time I heard the term October Surprise was in 1988, and it referred to something GHW Bush (CIA chief at the time) did prior to the election in 1980 with Iran (remember the Tehran hostage thing?) and it appears to have succeeded in getting Ronnie elected. I will not comment on the personal relationship between HW and the young fellow who tried to kill Reagan.

 

[neeray]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

What's this? 

 

 

 

looks like a bs wish list from Tug.

The facts are hard to take for a Trumper. We understand.

[neeray]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Link it or stow it.

I won't be linking it for you as it's been front and centre already for a long time, too long. And I won't be stowing it either. 

[morrobay]

Ho Ho Ho. The Schadenfreude is at hand.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-betting-odds-election-polls-b2625087.html 

[impulse]

13 hours ago, morrobay said:

Actually its October Surprises.  https://pjmedia.com/rick-moran/2024/10/05/three-years-ago-harris-was-put-in-charge-of-the-425-billion-internet-for-all-plan-where-is-it-n4933097

 

Reading some other sources, it seems that the biggest issue is the permitting and bidding process, where the participating companies are required to meet DEI and Green initiatives that are pretty much impossible.   (And stoopid).

 

That's probably why North Carolina doesn't have their 20,000 Starlink stations, which would have been handy during the Helene response.  But were defunded by the Biden Admin in 2023, having been approved in 2020.  Musk claims that the "performance criteria" they didn't meet were ridiculous and had little to do with "performance" and more to do with wokeness and DEI.  And the fact that the current administration is cheezed off at him.

 

 

[impulse]

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The presidency is very much about character. 

 

Carter and Clinton prove that whopper is absolutely false.  Carter had character in spades, and his presidency was a disaster.  Clinton's presidency was successful, in between not having sexual relations with that woman.

 

As for the rest of your diatribe, go line by line and ask yourself which lines Biden accomplished.  Start with "reducing prescription prices"  Of the thousands of drugs out there, Biden claims to have negotiated discounts on 10 of them, starting in a couple of years...

 

[Tug]

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

What's this? 

 

 

 

looks like a bs wish list from Tug.

No it’s trumps track record if you think I wished that catastrophe on my country you are deeply mistaken 

[morrobay]

Good post impulse ,∆∆ . Like I said all the mumbo jumbo in the world from " these people" does not change the facts. The wheels are coming off the Harris campaign as the population is finally starting to  see just who the **** she really is.  This election is going to be too big to rig.

[morrobay]

12 minutes ago, Tug said:

No it’s trumps track record if you think I wished that catastrophe on my country you are deeply mistaken 

But your going to wish her on your country ??  https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/06/politics/breakthrough-polling-project-harris-lie/index.html

[Dan O]

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

What's this? 

 

 

 

looks like a bs wish list from Tug.

It's called facts. Thats probably why you didn't recognize it

[Eric Loh]

3 hours ago, morrobay said:

Good post impulse ,∆∆ . Like I said all the mumbo jumbo in the world from " these people" does not change the facts. The wheels are coming off the Harris campaign as the population is finally starting to  see just who the **** she really is.  This election is going to be too big to rig.

 

His advisers should have ask him to stop rambling when the Green Bay Packers game started. Many leave and many change the channel. It is the same repeatitive whiny speech anyway. 

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is a completely bizarre thing known as truth and reality, ever heard of it? 

 

Truth and reality or dreams and horse doo?

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Carter and Clinton prove that whopper is absolutely false.  Carter had character in spades, and his presidency was a disaster.  Clinton's presidency was successful, in between not having sexual relations with that woman.

 

As for the rest of your diatribe, go line by line and ask yourself which lines Biden accomplished.  Start with "reducing prescription prices"  Of the thousands of drugs out there, Biden claims to have negotiated discounts on 10 of them, starting in a couple of years...

 

Here is a partial list. 

More People Are Working Than At Any Point in American History. 

Managed inflation to where it is now under control & moving consistently downward. 

Stock markets hitting all time highs. 

Making More in America where wages are increasing across the board. 

Rescued the Economy and Changed the Course of the Pandemic. 

Biden's Inflation Reduction Act will save millions of seniors money on some of the costliest prescription drugs on the market. New laws now give Medicare the power to negotiate drug prices.

Rebuilding our Infrastructure. 

Historic Expansion of Benefits and Services for Toxic Exposed Veterans. 

The First Meaningful Gun Violence Reduction Legislation in 30 Years. 

Protected Marriage for LGBTQI+ and Interracial Couples. 

Historic Confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson and Federal Judges of Diverse Backgrounds. 

Rallied the World to Support Ukraine in Response to Putin’s Aggression. 

Strengthened Alliances and Partnerships to Deliver for the American People. 

Successful Counterterrorism Missions Against the Leaders of Al Qaeda and ISIS. 

Executive Orders Protecting Reproductive Rights. 

Historic Student Debt Relief for over 4 million Middle- and Working-Class Families so far.

Ending our Failed Approach to Marijuana. 

Advancing Equity and Racial Justice, Including Historic Criminal Justice Reform. 

Delivering on the Most Aggressive Climate and Environmental Justice Agenda in American History. 

[Wrwest]

On 10/7/2024 at 5:28 PM, Hanaguma said:

Russia won't take over Ukraine if a settlement can be reached. Should have been done long ago.  Supplying weapons to the Ukranians so they can keep bleeding and dying is cruel.

 

Unless you think that the US and other countries should join in and start WW3 over Ukraine. Is that what you want? Because frankly I can't see any other option. Do you want YOUR son or grandson or nephew to die for Ukraine? 

Preferably not Mr. Chamberland but the issue is not Ukraine, it is the unilateral decision to invade another sovereign nation.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/7/2024 at 1:16 PM, mfd101 said:

Anything can happen. A stumble here, an obvious lie there, a 'misspoke' somewhere else.

 

Looks like being fascinating till the end, watching a once-great nation falling apart.

Ain't that the truth! JFK must be rotating rapidly in his grave.

He was a shining light of hope for a better future for all Americans, then he got shot, and Vietnam blew it all away.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, Wrwest said:

Preferably not Mr. Chamberland but the issue is not Ukraine, it is the unilateral decision to invade another sovereign nation.

That is a variable concern, and it seems that it's only when Russia does it that it's a problem for the US and it's allies.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Here is a partial list. 

More People Are Working Than At Any Point in American History. 

Managed inflation to where it is now under control & moving consistently downward. 

Stock markets hitting all time highs. 

Making More in America where wages are increasing across the board. 

Rescued the Economy and Changed the Course of the Pandemic. 

Biden's Inflation Reduction Act will save millions of seniors money on some of the costliest prescription drugs on the market. New laws now give Medicare the power to negotiate drug prices.

Rebuilding our Infrastructure. 

Historic Expansion of Benefits and Services for Toxic Exposed Veterans. 

The First Meaningful Gun Violence Reduction Legislation in 30 Years. 

Protected Marriage for LGBTQI+ and Interracial Couples. 

Historic Confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson and Federal Judges of Diverse Backgrounds. 

Rallied the World to Support Ukraine in Response to Putin’s Aggression. 

Strengthened Alliances and Partnerships to Deliver for the American People. 

Successful Counterterrorism Missions Against the Leaders of Al Qaeda and ISIS. 

Executive Orders Protecting Reproductive Rights. 

Historic Student Debt Relief for over 4 million Middle- and Working-Class Families so far.

Ending our Failed Approach to Marijuana. 

Advancing Equity and Racial Justice, Including Historic Criminal Justice Reform. 

Delivering on the Most Aggressive Climate and Environmental Justice Agenda in American History. 

About half of those are why I support Trump over Biden/ Harris.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/8/2024 at 5:17 PM, nauseus said:

 

Truth and reality or dreams and horse doo?

The latter IMO.

[nauseus]

14 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Here is a partial list. 

More People Are Working Than At Any Point in American History. 

Managed inflation to where it is now under control & moving consistently downward. 

Stock markets hitting all time highs. 

Making More in America where wages are increasing across the board. 

Rescued the Economy and Changed the Course of the Pandemic. 

Biden's Inflation Reduction Act will save millions of seniors money on some of the costliest prescription drugs on the market. New laws now give Medicare the power to negotiate drug prices.

Rebuilding our Infrastructure. 

Historic Expansion of Benefits and Services for Toxic Exposed Veterans. 

The First Meaningful Gun Violence Reduction Legislation in 30 Years. 

Protected Marriage for LGBTQI+ and Interracial Couples. 

Historic Confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson and Federal Judges of Diverse Backgrounds. 

Rallied the World to Support Ukraine in Response to Putin’s Aggression. 

Strengthened Alliances and Partnerships to Deliver for the American People. 

Successful Counterterrorism Missions Against the Leaders of Al Qaeda and ISIS. 

Executive Orders Protecting Reproductive Rights. 

Historic Student Debt Relief for over 4 million Middle- and Working-Class Families so far.

Ending our Failed Approach to Marijuana. 

Advancing Equity and Racial Justice, Including Historic Criminal Justice Reform. 

Delivering on the Most Aggressive Climate and Environmental Justice Agenda in American History. 

 

Looks like that horse has unloaded again!