A vote for Trump is a vote for Putin / Orban / Kim Jong Un

[transam]

8 minutes ago, G_Money said:

You drunk or run out of medication?

 

My original response was to Frank as a reply. My opinion.  I owe you no explanation 

 

Coming out nowhere to come to the rescue makes me wonder if you have a secret crush or just protective of someone’s reach around buddy.

 

Hmmm, I wonder who that someone is.

I gave you a laugh.........😂

[mrwebb8825]

On 10/16/2024 at 6:43 AM, Jingthing said:

Also of course, Russia didn't steal Crimea under Zelinsky. That was in 2014.

Also at that same time Russia dug deep with stealth Russian soldiers in Donbass. etc

True. That was during Obama's "Apology" term after giving Putin the green light. (search Obama Hot Mic) Zelinsky was still beating his meat on pianos while dancing in heels.

 

Ah Yes, those sneaky, highly skilled "Ninjaskis".

[ericbj]

On 10/19/2024 at 7:32 AM, Lacessit said:

There are a couple of distortions in your post.

 

AFAIK no nation is pressured into joining NATO. They apply, and have to be accepted by a unanimous vote of existing members. The principal reason for applying is no-one wants to live under the Russian yoke again.

 

There is no "legality or illegality" about it. The Russian annexation of Crimea and invasion of the Donbas are both illegal.

 

The minority Russians in Ukraine were transferred there by Stalin after the Holodomor to aid the Russification of Ukraine. Why do you think Putin is kidnapping Ukrainian children for indoctrination in Russia? Why do you think he is bombarding civilian energy and agriculture? It's Stalin all over again.

 

Yes, the famine affected other areas of Russia. We are talking about Ukraine. Look over there is a deflection.

 

You may not be a Russian stooge. You certainly sound like a Russian apologist.

 

No harm in treaties of mutual defence.  But NATO has ceased to meet that definition.  NATO (essentially the U.S.) now feels the need to 'defend' itself throughout the world.  Even in the Far East.

To understand this one must realise that 'defence' has come to mean protecting the revenue-streams of the hyper-wealthy at the expense of the ordinary citizenry; and at the expense of the inhabitants of far away countries, who then seek to escape their destroyed economies where mere survival has become a challenge.

 

From the point-of-view of a potential new member, NATO provides savings on expensive matériel.
There are cost benefits in joining an organisation that collectively accounts for over 60 percent of the world’s total 'defense' spending.
Overall spending by a new member may increase, as in the case of Sweden, or decrease, as in the case of Finland.  But whatever, they get more for their buck.

 

Paradoxically, the drain on the U.S. exchequer is something that Trump wishes to eliminate, despite the profligate spending on 'defence' during his term in office.  
[Was the increased 'defence' budget an unsuccessful attempt to seduce Deep State actors?  Seems to have been one of his ploys.]

 

U.S. taxpayer spending on 'defence' fits in well with the Deep State's agenda of transferring wealth from the average U.S. citizen to those heavily invested in the 'defence' sector.  Thanks to a requirement for standardisation of matériel.

 

Ethnic Russians lived in the Ukraine centuries before the Soviet famine.  In fact since the expulsion of the Ottomans.  Check out western media bias by searching for Prince Potemkin and discover how the Russians "Stole His Bones" from Kherson.

 

NATO drools over the prospect of taking control over the Ukraine not only as a major leap forward in their insane desire to break up the Russian Federation (on an even more fragmented basis than planned for Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.) but also because of the Ukraine's mineral and agricultural value, notably in the eastern part.
[Check out: Blackrock and Zelensky.  You may need to read between the lines of the results]

 

"Putin is kidnapping Ukrainian children".
Do your homework and see that this is nonsense spewed out by western black-propagandist media.  But if you prefer to believe it, just carry on believing.  Illusions lead to dead-ends.

 

"The Russian annexation of Crimea and invasion of the Donbas are both illegal."
And U.S./NATO invasions of diverse countries are not?
Where is the so-called "Rules Based Order" invoked so often by U.S. government spokesmen?
[Oh!  I forgot.  It does not apply to the "exceptional people"]

Edited October 20 by metisdead
Bold font removed.

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

May I suggest that anyone spreading propaganda that Russia is a democracy that has real elections for president is a person to be ignored.

Why waste your time on such silliness?

Oh, I thought elections had been suspended in Ukraine, no?

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

True. That was during Obama's "Apology" term after giving Putin the green light. (search Obama Hot Mic) Zelinsky was still beating his meat on pianos while dancing in heels.

 

Ah Yes, those sneaky, highly skilled "Ninjaskis".

Remember Obama's "the '80s called, they want their foreign policy back"? 

How about the "Russian Reset"? 

Or Obama on a hot mike offering Putin his "flexibility" on missile defense if Putin could give Obama "some space" until after the election? 

 

Putin gave him space

Obama cancels missile defense 

Putin invades 

[ericbj]

This news item evokes a potential dénouement of the seemingly insoluble problems arising from the West's proxy war with Russia on the soil of the Ukraine :

 

https://youtu.be/iFLSsectyNs

 

Will doubtlessly be strongly denounced by many.  Including, most likely, NATO governments.

 

But negotiations, and a search for peace, are surely long overdue.

[Lacessit]

11 hours ago, ericbj said:

 

No harm in treaties of mutual defence.  But NATO has ceased to meet that definition.  NATO (essentially the U.S.) now feels the need to 'defend' itself throughout the world.  Even in the Far East.

To understand this one must realise that 'defence' has come to mean protecting the revenue-streams of the hyper-wealthy at the expense of the ordinary citizenry; and at the expense of the inhabitants of far away countries, who then seek to escape their destroyed economies where mere survival has become a challenge.

 

From the point-of-view of a potential new member, NATO provides savings on expensive matériel.
There are cost benefits in joining an organisation that collectively accounts for over 60 percent of the world’s total 'defense' spending.
Overall spending by a new member may increase, as in the case of Sweden, or decrease, as in the case of Finland.  But whatever, they get more for their buck.

 

Paradoxically, the drain on the U.S. exchequer is something that Trump wishes to eliminate, despite the profligate spending on 'defence' during his term in office.  
[Was the increased 'defence' budget an unsuccessful attempt to seduce Deep State actors?  Seems to have been one of his ploys.]

 

U.S. taxpayer spending on 'defence' fits in well with the Deep State's agenda of transferring wealth from the average U.S. citizen to those heavily invested in the 'defence' sector.  Thanks to a requirement for standardisation of matériel.

 

Ethnic Russians lived in the Ukraine centuries before the Soviet famine.  In fact since the expulsion of the Ottomans.  Check out western media bias by searching for Prince Potemkin and discover how the Russians "Stole His Bones" from Kherson.

 

NATO drools over the prospect of taking control over the Ukraine not only as a major leap forward in their insane desire to break up the Russian Federation (on an even more fragmented basis than planned for Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.) but also because of the Ukraine's mineral and agricultural value, notably in the eastern part.
[Check out: Blackrock and Zelensky.  You may need to read between the lines of the results]

 

"Putin is kidnapping Ukrainian children".
Do your homework and see that this is nonsense spewed out by western black-propagandist media.  But if you prefer to believe it, just carry on believing.  Illusions lead to dead-ends.

 

"The Russian annexation of Crimea and invasion of the Donbas are both illegal."
And U.S./NATO invasions of diverse countries are not?
Where is the so-called "Rules Based Order" invoked so often by U.S. government spokesmen?
[Oh!  I forgot.  It does not apply to the "exceptional people"]

You stated before you were not a Russian stooge. Your second post proves you are. Bye bye, tovarisch.

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You stated before you were not a Russian stooge. Your second post proves you are. Bye bye, tovarisch.

That is very clear. 

[frank83628]

11 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, I thought elections had been suspended in Ukraine, no?

and opposition to zelensky practically banned

 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

and opposition to zelensky practically banned

 

I like Zelenskyy, and I support Ukraine, but the "on to Russia" strategy scares me a bit. 

[Rimmer]

A baiting flame has been removed

[Lacessit]

44 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

and opposition to zelensky practically banned

 

AFAIK he is not poisoning opponents, imprisoning them to die in a gulag, or having them thrown out of windows.

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

AFAIK he is not poisoning opponents, imprisoning them to die in a gulag, or having them thrown out of windows.

What does that have to do with banning opposition to him? 

 

Incidentally, I think Zelenskyy is great, but I do not support banning opposition to him, do you? 

[frank83628]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

AFAIK he is not poisoning opponents, imprisoning them to die in a gulag, or having them thrown out of windows.

neither is Putin, wait, didn't Gonzalo Lira, an outspoken journalist & critic of Ukraine and Biden, die in a Ukranian prison.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

What does that have to do with banning opposition to him? 

 

Incidentally, I think Zelenskyy is great, but I do not support banning opposition to him, do you? 

I am not sure Ukraine can afford the luxury of an opposition when it is fighting for its existence.

 

OTOH, Russia could end this war in a few days by withdrawing from the Ukraine territory it has illegally occupied and annexed. Russia would survive, Putin probably would not. That is no great loss to the world.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

neither is Putin, wait, didn't Gonzalo Lira, an outspoken journalist & critic of Ukraine and Biden, die in a Ukranian prison.

I suppose the words Novichok and Navalny mean nothing to a Kremlin propagandist. Blatant lying as usual from you.

Edited October 20 by Lacessit

[frank83628]

28 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I suppose the words Novichok and Navalny mean nothing to a Kremlin propagandist. Blatant lying as usual from you.

i know what both are, so how did Putin posion someone on a plane from Germany?

 

blatant western propaganda from you. Russia Russia Russia. yawn!

 

 

[frank83628]

34 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I am not sure Ukraine can afford the luxury of an opposition when it is fighting for its existence.

 

OTOH, Russia could end this war in a few days by withdrawing from the Ukraine territory it has illegally occupied and annexed. Russia would survive, Putin probably would not. That is no great loss to the world.

OTOH Ukraine could come to the negotiating table, the offer has been there since the beginning.

[ericbj]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

i know what both are, so how did Putin posion someone on a plane from Germany?

 

blatant western propaganda from you. Russia Russia Russia. yawn!

 

 

 

On the question of Navalny, some sources of information diverge from what is commonly encountered in western MSM.  E.g.  

 

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/01/28/alexei-navalny-myth-wests-russian-opposition-figure/

 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, ericbj said:

 

On the question of Navalny, some sources of information diverge from what is commonly encountered in western MSM.  E.g.  

 

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/01/28/alexei-navalny-myth-wests-russian-opposition-figure/

 

Garbage pro autocracy axis propaganda source.

[Jingthing]

Learn from history.

 

 

 

 

https://forward.com/culture/662971/trump-madison-square-garden-rally-1939-german-american-bund-nazi/

 

Will Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally resemble a fascist one from 1939?

Observers are predicting an event like a well-attended Nazi rally

Edited October 20 by Jingthing

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Learn from history.

 

 

 

 

https://forward.com/culture/662971/trump-madison-square-garden-rally-1939-german-american-bund-nazi/

 

Will Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally resemble a fascist one from 1939?

Observers are predicting an event like a well-attended Nazi rally

Garbage pro Marxist propaganda source.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Garbage pro Marxist propaganda source.

The video is history.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Jingthing said:

The video is history.

 The video is someone's interpretation of history. 

 

What is it about, how FDR was an antisemite? 

[Jingthing]

Vance was right about Trump before he sold his soul to Theil.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

Mitch McConnel supported Trump until he sold his soul to the DOJ

[Lacessit]

9 hours ago, frank83628 said:

OTOH Ukraine could come to the negotiating table, the offer has been there since the beginning.

Please tell me when negotiating with dictators has ever worked out well for the other party.

 

You might as well try negotiating with a crocodile to only chew off one leg.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Please tell me when negotiating with dictators has ever worked out well for the other party.

 

You might as well try negotiating with a crocodile to only chew off one leg.

Dictators can be negotiated with, but only from a position of strength. 

 

Stalin did okay against Hitler.

[BTB1977]

This is exactly why Americans need to vote for Trump. To fight against such BS logic.  

[Jingthing]

27 minutes ago, BTB1977 said:

This is exactly why Americans need to vote for Trump. To fight against such BS logic.  

Americans need Trump to face trials for his wvheelbarrel full of indictments.