My best friend, for over 30 years until he sadly died from cancer aged 53, was smarter than me in most ways, but less practical. He was Jewish, I am Anglo-saxon (so I'm told).

1 hour ago, simon43 said:

On the contrary, (IMHO) this is not a racist topic, BUT is an easy way in for racists to post their views.....  Unfortunately, (like many AN threads), the thread starts off with good intentions, but then is rapidly derailed by trolls, bigots etc 😞

 

 It is most certainly racist. How is it different than starting a thread on Negro penis dimensions? It is as ignorant and stupid as that, and serves only to provide a platform for the usual bigots. 

 

3 hours ago, BruceWayne said:

 

NOT if you live in Israel:

://www.jpost.com/israel-news/want-to-fully-understand-your-family-genealogy-not-without-a-court-order-585230

 

i.e They're trying to suppress the obvious truth:

'Jew' is a meaningless term

 

Most have zero connection with the middle east and are atheist AF

 

 

You don't pay attention do you?

The majority of Israelis are "Mizrahi", i.e. having originated in region first colonized and then occupied by Islamic people. 

 

Much of the population went to Israel after they were forced out of their former homes in Arab countries. In the case of the Ethiopians and Yemen populations, Israel paid large sums for their freedom. Others were given 72 hours to leave and their assets seized. It is an inconvenient truth most Arabs will ever acknowledge and one that none of the western protestors will evr admit because it destroys the false narrative of palestinian victimhood.

There are 9 million Israelis. Egypt has a population of 117 million.

 

In three wars, the Egyptian Army and Airforce were beaten so soundly there has been no conflict of the two nations for 50 years.

Well, where would the sciences and the intellectual world of Usofa be if it weren't for the flood of eastern European Jews who entered the country over the last 150 years?

 

A couple of anecdotes:

 

Once (in Canberra) I met Ehud Barak when he was Chief of the Israeli General Staff. A small but smart & very tough cookie. I think of him as both Jewish and Israeli (not the same thing).

 

Earlier in my career - mid-twenties - for my sins I taught French to Aussie first-year university students. Apart from the middle-aged attendees who were splendid, the just-from-school kids were generally hopeless. But there were 2 Jewish girls a couple of years younger than me who were in the middle of their studies to become medical doctors and who enrolled in my classes just for some entertainment and change of scenery. Where they excelled. One day I was chatting to them and asked how they managed to do thus when their medical studies were far more than a full-time job. They said: "Well, Mr D ..., if you were Jewish you would understand".  At which we fell about as they explained how, from the earliest years, life was all about reading & study & hard work.

Well, the Jews believe in a delusional god, so I wouldn't say their IQs are exceptionally high. I'd guess their IQs are average, like all other peoples.

very smart, inflicting on a local population what was done to them almost a  century ago...

20 hours ago, CanadaSam said:

Mind blown by Israel's retaliatory attack on Iran, targeting only a few military missile sites that were defending some of their prized and most valuable oilfields, gas fields, etc. sending a very clear warning, that if we can attack these sites defending these financially invaluable sites, we can also ruin your country financially by attacking the actual targets you were trying to defend!

 

I have always wondered about the IQ of the Jewish people, from starting banking generations ago when there was no such thing, now basically running the US banking system, and also the high percentage of Chess champions (almost a third are of Jewish ancestry).

 

I know from friends I have had, they are smart, extremely so, when it comes to money!

The amount of misinformation in this thread is truly astonishing. In medieval Europe, Jewish people were permitted to be moneylenders largely because Christians at the time still abided by the biblical injunction against charging interest. However, to say that Jews currently “are basically running the US banking system” is ludicrous and an all-too-common antisemitic trope.

 

Some Palestinian Arabs are descended from ancient Hebrews who converted to Islam (either by force or willingly) during the Arab invasions of the 7th century AD; other Palestinian Arabs were immigrants. To try to sort out the bloodlines at this point seems pointless. There were no universities in the Levant in the 7th century, so to say that Palestinian Arabs were simply not “smart enough” to continue being Jewish is another ludicrous statement.

 

It is not surprising that the Israeli military and intelligence services are among the best in the world; Israel was born out of the trauma of the Holocaust, so self-defense would have been among the new state’s top priorities. (And given that Jewish people have been persecuted in Europe for going on two millennia, it’s no wonder that they have emphasized education and thrift, with the next pogrom always just around the corner.)

 

One poster seems to refer to the theory of Khazar origin of the Ashkenazi Jews; this has been debunked. As another person points out, Ashkenazi Jews have origins in ancient Israel.

 

And, more broadly, the entire notion of “IQ” and the ability to measure comparative intelligence through a standardized test is itself coming under increasing criticism by the scientific community; it seems likely that IQ testing will ultimately be regarded as another scientific dead end, along with phrenology and biological racism, medical humorism, etc. In the end, the Jewish people and the governments they create are no more, and no less, responsible for the maintenance of global civic order than any other groups of people who populate the planet.

20 hours ago, CanadaSam said:

Mind blown by Israel's retaliatory attack on Iran, targeting only a few military missile sites that were defending some of their prized and most valuable oilfields, gas fields, etc. sending a very clear warning, that if we can attack these sites defending these financially invaluable sites, we can also ruin your country financially by attacking the actual targets you were trying to defend!

 

I have always wondered about the IQ of the Jewish people, from starting banking generations ago when there was no such thing, now basically running the US banking system, and also the high percentage of Chess champions (almost a third are of Jewish ancestry).

 

I know from friends I have had, they are smart, extremely so, when it comes to money!

A general historically valid reasoning. Having lived in a Christian dominated Europe where Jews were discriminated against through numerous programs, confiscation of property, being driven out of areas or into ghettoes, it became important to but emphasis on "portable" wealth. What was inside your head ... knowledge. Thus, an outsized number of Doctors, Lawyers, bankers ... emphasis on learning as a necessity.

14 hours ago, SoCal1990 said:

Following below are some points from the links provided above. Also, all of this is referring to Ashkenazi Jews, also often referred to as European Jews, many of whom emigrated from Northern Europe (Germany, Poland, Russia) to either the USA, the UK or Israel either just before or during WW2.
 

There are also the Sephardic Jews, many of whom were born in Palestine, Syria, Iran, Turkey, Iraq, and some of the other surrounding middle eastern countries. Ethnically, Sephardic Jews look more middle eastern than the Ashkenazi Jews and don't necessarily share the same genetically inherent higher intelligence traits. 
 

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Studies have generally found Ashkenazi Jews to have an average IQ in the range of 107 to 115, and Ashkenazi Jews as a group have had successes in intellectual fields out of proportion to their numbers. Today's Ashkenazi Jews have a higher average mathematical and verbal IQ and an unusual cognitive profile compared to other ethnic groups.

From roughly 800 to 1650 CE, Ashkenazi Jews in Europe were a mostly isolated genetic group. When Ashkenazi Jews married non-Jews, they usually left the Jewish community; few non-Jews married into the Jewish community.

 

During the same period, laws barred Ashkenazi Jews from most jobs, including farming and crafts, and forced them into finance, management, and international trade. Wealthy Jews had several more children per family than poor Jews. So, genes for cognitive traits such as verbal and mathematical talent, which make a person successful in the few fields where Jews could work, were favored; genes for irrelevant traits, such as spatio-visual abilities, were supported by less selective pressure than in the general population. Given the high heritability of IQ, 800 years is plenty of time for the selective pressure on verbal and mathematical intelligence to produce a 16-point increase in IQ.

 

Interesting to me as my DNA tests came back with Ashkenazi markers, although my DNA long ago departed from following the  Jewish religion.

19 hours ago, bendejo said:

who gets lost for 40 years?

Especially in a desert peninsula where you can easily see to the horizon, surrounded by three bodys of waters and having on of the highest mountain in the region, Mt. Sinia. That 40 year trek should have been done in a year.

Do humans have a high IQ?  

Obviously not consistent among the 7 billion people.

Multiple off topic posts and replies removed

Sign of intelligent?

- After 40 years of wandering in the desert, Moses died on Mount Nebo at the age of 120, within sight of the Promised Land.

(That why Google was created.... not to get shamed and laughed at again)

-Abraham dies at the age of 175 and is buried next to Sarah in the cave of Machpelah.

But wait! There more;
- According to the Hebrew Bible, Methuselah begets Lamech and then lives 782 more years.
- Lamech begets Noah at age 188, and Methuselah lives 802 years after begetting Lamech.
He was also the oldest of all the figures mentioned in the Bible.

 

12 hours ago, NativeBob said:

Amazing stats! 

Dear @GammaGlobulin I'm not arguing with you, just ...

after pogroms and WW2 are there any jews left in Eastern Europe? 

Praha, Budapest, Sofia, Tirana, Belgrade, Riga, Vilnius, <<<< seriously there are jews living? Wow! They were obviously hiding 😉

Sephardic jews in Europe are quite different from Ashkenazi, but yes, they are very ___________. My most favorite are in France. Smart, intelligent and super supportive, like relatives. The smartest (IMO) are Dutch Jews. No matter where - Bangkok, AMS or Berlin - you can notice them 

PS: Still I don't distinguish semites from non-semites, Gal Gadot from goyim.

 

 

 

Of Course, I was speaking about this group of people.  And, most importantly, I am referring to the BOTTLENECK that is here referred to.  YES, this group of Jews does have a higher IQ, according to many articles that I have read.  And this was the Topic-Question.  As to how and to where this group has migrated in the past 100 years, please refer to the history books. In general, European Jews, the same group that emigrated to the USA, are smarter.

 

 

Then, you got your guys like Meyer Lansky and the Jewish Gangster Mob.

I would say that they are smarter than the other gangs that ruled NYC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Israel and Jews are not the same thing.

As far as Ashkenazim, the majority of Israeli Jews are NOT Ashkenazim. 

The majority of American Jews are Ashkenazim. 

 

Of course, we KNEW THAT.

 

This is what is wrong with most of them...I say.

DIFFERENT CULTURE.

 

They are arabs.

 

Culture is what is important.

Arab culture....?

You are welcome to go and live there, anytime.

 

 

An inflammatory troll/hate speech post has been removed.

22 hours ago, CanadaSam said:

Mind blown by Israel's retaliatory attack on Iran, targeting only a few military missile sites that were defending some of their prized and most valuable oilfields, gas fields, etc. sending a very clear warning, that if we can attack these sites defending these financially invaluable sites, we can also ruin your country financially by attacking the actual targets you were trying to defend!

 

I have always wondered about the IQ of the Jewish people, from starting banking generations ago when there was no such thing, now basically running the US banking system, and also the high percentage of Chess champions (almost a third are of Jewish ancestry).

 

I know from friends I have had, they are smart, extremely so, when it comes to money!

Not high IQ per-se

 

Its just our upbringing, education at forefront, critical logical thinking and always looking forward in years opposed to months.

16 hours ago, Jingthing said:

What's the next ethnic/racial group to start a baiting topic about?

 

 

I agree with you. It is currently de rigeur to regurgitate anti semitic propaganda. Some other group will cop abuse eventually, cloaked with the veneer of social acceptability and the prevailing fashion.

Yep, who’s next? 

1 hour ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Not high IQ per-se

 

Its just our upbringing, education at forefront, critical logical thinking and always looking forward in years opposed to months.

There is a cultural aspect at least in Ashkenazi culture.

The concept of goyishe nachas (Yiddish).

A stereotype of course not covering everyone, as no people are a monolith.

Meaning Christian families will be super PROUD their kid being a star on the football team. but Jewish families will value winning a science fair much more.

Suggesting CULTURAL DIFFERENCES account for differences in types of achievement. What's valued, what's reinforced.

3 hours ago, GypsyT said:

Sign of intelligent?

- After 40 years of wandering in the desert, Moses died on Mount Nebo at the age of 120, within sight of the Promised Land.

(That why Google was created.... not to get shamed and laughed at again)

-Abraham dies at the age of 175 and is buried next to Sarah in the cave of Machpelah.

But wait! There more;
- According to the Hebrew Bible, Methuselah begets Lamech and then lives 782 more years.
- Lamech begets Noah at age 188, and Methuselah lives 802 years after begetting Lamech.
He was also the oldest of all the figures mentioned in the Bible.

 

Why would anyone take any religious texts literally?

Again, Jews are an ethnoreligious group. If you're born to a Jewish mother you're a Jew even if you don't believe a word of the Torah and eat ham sandwiches on the regular.

That freaks many people out. Oh well. 

Some off topic posts have been removed, please stay on topic, thank you:

 

Do Jewish People Have High IQ?

5 hours ago, Wrwest said:

Having lived in a Christian dominated Europe where Jews were discriminated against through numerous programs, confiscation of property, being driven out of areas or into ghettoes,

So that's how they learned this against their own people;

https://www.voanews.com/a/black-hebrews-in-israel-face-threat-of-deportation/7190170.html

 

10 minutes ago, driver52 said:

JP Morgan was involved.....why did Wilson say afterwards "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit."

never heard of 'blood libel' before but thanks for the education 

What about JP Morgan?

 

For historical reference:

A Jew and King of Jews! Nazi Blast at Morgan - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

1933

Quote

Although it is well known everywhere else in the world that J. P. Morgan is a pure Aryan, the Nazi press today printed blasting articles condemning him, not only as a Jew, but even as “the un-crowned Jew king.” The Nazis are angry at the American financier because of his anti-German statements made recently in the United States.

 

As far as U.S. presidents. there never has been a Jewish president (Mexico beat us to it!).

 

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

If you're born to a Jewish mother you're a Jew

 

Or you can 'convert'

Or just buy a small hat and tell everyone your jew-ISH

 

Anyone can join!

 

Since the term 'jew' is so loose and in't ethnic or religious it's impossible to say 'jews'  (or eg Rev 2:9ers) are 'high IQ'.

 

Everyone can become a jew

but

NOT Everyone can become High IQ

 

x

3 minutes ago, BruceWayne said:

 

Or you can 'convert'

Or just buy a small hat and tell everyone your jew-ISH

 

Anyone can join!

Yes, you can convert but Jews do NOT seek converts and as I said before to actually convert to Judaism is very hard and takes a long time.

So not many people do it.

The small hat thing -- there you go again displaying your vile racism.

Yes you can cosplay as a rabbi if you like. Doesn't make you a Jew.

 

Not required to answer this of course, but I am bit curious. Were your parents also Jew haters or did you later acquire the disease?

4 minutes ago, GypsyT said:

It's not a hat, it's Pot Holder.

 

I had go to Jewish parties in LA. I hated when they pinned Pot Holder to my head without asking...

Didn't want to protest seeing AK-47 armed guards around the building in Ber Air.

I thought it was safe area but I guess not....

 

It's customary and polite when attending some Jewish events for all men to wear a kippah whether Jewish or not. Kind of like taking off your shoes to enter a Thai home. They would be handed out to all males unless a male was wearing one coming in. They weren't judging you either way. 

10 minutes ago, driver52 said:

a minor point, he had a big nose and his mate's the Rothschilds certainly were

Rockefeller was a jew.....do you agree that 'modern medicine is Rockefeller medicine'

another cunning move by those super intelligent jew boys eh? 

 

Problem is most rank and file jews have been heavily gaslit:

 

Told they're high iq special boys and that everyone wants to kill them cos theyre 'chosen'.

They're also taught that us 'goyim' are NOT human but cattle born to serve them (source: the talMUD).

 

It makes for a very paranoid and narcissistic group.

 

E Michael Jones is VERY good on this subject.

-

 

The FACT  that ANYONE can convert to being a 'jew' makes the concept of high iq jew a complete nonsense

 

Everyone can become a jew

but

NOT Everyone can become High IQ

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You are really something.

The Rockefeller family -- NOT JEWS.

maybe, maybe not.....they descended from the Steinhauers in krautland....but like Napoleon said 'history is a set of lies agreed upon'

let's move onto who owns and controls most of the media that manipulates and jabs the overweight fools in the west shall we??

3 minutes ago, driver52 said:

maybe, maybe not.....they descended from the Steinhauers in krautland....but like Napoleon said 'history is a set of lies agreed upon'

let's move onto who owns and controls most of the media that manipulates and jabs the overweight fools in the west shall we??

Definitely NOT. 

13 minutes ago, BruceWayne said:

Problem is most rank and file jews have been heavily gaslit:

Jewish loudmouth Howard Stern was on air in LA area and gave great info about Jewish life.

He was probably the most honest of all and reason LA Jews got him ousted to NY. They didn't like detailed information of "God's chosen people's" everyday life.

He was disgusting and entertaining at same time.

Made some dough too:

"What Howard Stern's $400 million Sirius contract means to the Street"