Liberal Meltdown Thread

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given most of the faux cases against him were obviously political attempts to eliminate him from the candidacy, I think it's entirely fair that he is now immune from any possibility of prison till at least 2029. By then the faux cases will have been quietly dropped.

I fully support him if he wants to investigate the use of the FBI and the justice ( LOL ) department to target him, and I hope some of them do get prison time.

You have no faith in your Justice system?

[JoeRan]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. We are not all Republicans, but we have been taking <deleted> from your side for 4 years, so it's payback if we are "disrespecting" the Dems, and they really deserve to be disrespected.

 

Gloating, yes indeed, I've been waiting for 4 years to gloat over the demise of the Dems.

My side? I said I’m on the other side of the world and happy to be as far away from the cesspool called USA. Nowhere did I say I was from the left or right. Was just pointing out how simple Americans are and you’re keeping with the tradition. Good luck in your sad country that nobody really cares about anymore other than for entertainment purposes. 

[thaibeachlovers]

49 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

What do her opponents say? I know very little of Harris, I would have preferred anybody but Trump, apart from his failings as a decent human being I was concerned about his remarks regarding Nato, Ukraine, the Paris agreement, his disregard of global warming, his nearness to dictators and his apparent willingness to use the military against the civil population. His anti-wokeness I regard as a plus point. We shall have to wait and see what really transpires during his term as president

regarding Nato, Ukraine, the Paris agreement, his disregard of global warming,

I agreed with him on all of those.

 

his apparent willingness to use the military against the civil population.

I don't think he can. It would be illegal for the military to do so, as has been pointed out by Austin. It's just Trump speaking without engaging brain.

 

53 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

I would have preferred anybody but Trump

As would I, but given his opponent I had to support him. I am on record on this forum as saying such before.

I only started really wanting him to win as the invective increased. Most of the haters have been noticeably absent since he won.

[herfiehandbag]

11 minutes ago, JoeRan said:

My side? I said I’m on the other side of the world and happy to be as far away from the cesspool called USA. Nowhere did I say I was from the left or right. Was just pointing out how simple Americans are and you’re keeping with the tradition. Good luck in your sad country that nobody really cares about anymore other than for entertainment purposes. 

I understand, may be wrong, that he is actually a New Zealander!

[thaibeachlovers]

52 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

You have no faith in your Justice system?

It's not my justice system, but the US one seems excessively racist, politicised and corrupt. That has been my opinion for long before Trump even mentioned becoming POTUS.

A disproportionate incarceration rate of non whites has long been a black mark against it.

[soalbundy]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

It's not my justice system, but the US one seems excessively racist, politicised and corrupt. That has been my opinion for long before Trump even mentioned becoming POTUS.

A disproportionate incarceration rate of non whites has long been a black mark against it.

Yes America is still somewhat racist but it's more probable that a considerable portion of African Americans are more likely to be involved in crimes, having said that I have read that black people are more likely to get a prison sentence than white people possibly because white Americans can afford to pay for a lawyer as opposed to having one assigned by the court. I disagree that Western courts allow themselves to be politically motivated.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Yes America is still somewhat racist but it's more probable that a considerable portion of African Americans are more likely to be involved in crimes, having said that I have read that black people are more likely to get a prison sentence than white people possibly because white Americans can afford to pay for a lawyer as opposed to having one assigned by the court. I disagree that Western courts allow themselves to be politically motivated.

IMO the problem with American justice system is that some in it are voted for. Whenever voting is involved it opens the door to corruption, IMO.

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the problem with American justice system is that some in it are voted for. Whenever voting is involved it opens the door to corruption, IMO.

Yes, I find it wrong that judges can be political appointees ie the supreme court, they should be neutral or at least their political affiliation should be unknown, I've never heard of politics playing a role in British judges. 

[newnative]

     To use a term my dear old Dad liked, us Dems have had a shellacking in this election.  I've said before that Biden winning by 7 million voters in 2020 was a landslide.  Votes are still being counted but ditto for Trump winning by over 4 million voters this time.  Landslide.   Quite an embarrassing swing for the Dems--going from a 7 million vote win in 2020 to a 5 million loss in 2024, and to a convicted felon.  Shellacking.

    Lots of blame to go around, starting with Biden not announcing early that he would only serve one term, which would have allowed the Dems to select the 2024 candidate through a primary season.  Harris might have still ended up the candidate but she would have gone through the process first, for better or worse.  Perhaps a stronger candidate might have emerged, as well.  107 days, we now see, was not nearly enough time to get up to speed, with the way presidential elections are run these days.   Trump started 4 years ago.  

    James Carville famously said in 1992, "it's the economy, stupid."  I would add, in presidential elections, it's always the economy, stupid.  Other issues, such as abortion, might resonate in non-presidential election years but the economy's always the main squeeze in prez elections.  With 20/20 hindsight, it was a big mistake for the Dems to focus so much on Trump, rather than on their plans to make the lives of Americans better, and, especially, better economically.  

     Getting this economic message across could not be more important because the Dems are not doing as well as they should with young voters, Black male voters, and Latino voters--a good chunk of the future.  It's easy to see that with these voters, the economy would certainly be right up at the top as a voter issue.   This election, the Dems lost most of the 'Blue Wall'--and this after supposedly pouring maximum time, money, and effort into winning it.  Clearly, focusing on Trump wasn't a winning message--the voters were more focused on their wallets.

     If the Dems can't get the 'Blue Wall' back it will be difficult for them to win presidential elections--that was abundantly clear as I watched the election map and Trump quicky built a big Electoral College lead with all the very reliable 'red' states reporting in.  Quite simply, at this point the Reps have far too many very reliable red states and, lately, the Dems don't have enough very reliable blue states.  That was also the case in 2020, where Biden easily won the popular vote by 7 million but just barely won the Electoral College, with a very shaky 'Blue Wall' even then. 

    To make matters worse, some of the so-called 'swing' states weren't really so swingy.  Trump won North Carolina fairly easily--51.1% vs 47.7%--and Nevada and Arizona look to be going Republican by more than a few percentage points.  Georgia was a little closer but looks to be, along with the others, a leaning red state rather than a swing state.   A lotta work ahead for the Dems. 

    And, a final note to Jill Biden, whom I used to like and respect--heck, she was a professor at one of the other campuses at the community college where I used to work.  Wearing Reagan Red on Election Day?  Very disloyal, childish, and extremely petty. 

      

      

    

[frank83628]

sorry not sorry bob

[Felton Jarvis]

I just hope that "Dear Leader" keeps on consuming his staple diet of MCDonald's offal sandwiches and grease fries. In most normal people, that will guarantee a quick death by massive heart attack or paralyzing stroke. A Trump obituary is all I want for Christmas.

[248900_1469958220]

9 minutes ago, Felton Jarvis said:

I just hope that "Dear Leader" keeps on consuming his staple diet of MCDonald's offal sandwiches and grease fries. In most normal people, that will guarantee a quick death by massive heart attack or paralyzing stroke. A Trump obituary is all I want for Christmas.

The cope is real.....This is what I was waiting for. Thankyou for your input.

[theblether]

4 hours ago, newnative said:

     To use a term my dear old Dad liked, us Dems have had a shellacking in this election.  I've said before that Biden winning by 7 million voters in 2020 was a landslide.  Votes are still being counted but ditto for Trump winning by over 4 million voters this time.  Landslide.   Quite an embarrassing swing for the Dems--going from a 7 million vote win in 2020 to a 5 million loss in 2024, and to a convicted felon.  Shellacking.

    Lots of blame to go around, starting with Biden not announcing early that he would only serve one term, which would have allowed the Dems to select the 2024 candidate through a primary season.  Harris might have still ended up the candidate but she would have gone through the process first, for better or worse.  Perhaps a stronger candidate might have emerged, as well.  107 days, we now see, was not nearly enough time to get up to speed, with the way presidential elections are run these days.   Trump started 4 years ago.  

    James Carville famously said in 1992, "it's the economy, stupid."  I would add, in presidential elections, it's always the economy, stupid.  Other issues, such as abortion, might resonate in non-presidential election years but the economy's always the main squeeze in prez elections.  With 20/20 hindsight, it was a big mistake for the Dems to focus so much on Trump, rather than on their plans to make the lives of Americans better, and, especially, better economically.  

     Getting this economic message across could not be more important because the Dems are not doing as well as they should with young voters, Black male voters, and Latino voters--a good chunk of the future.  It's easy to see that with these voters, the economy would certainly be right up at the top as a voter issue.   This election, the Dems lost most of the 'Blue Wall'--and this after supposedly pouring maximum time, money, and effort into winning it.  Clearly, focusing on Trump wasn't a winning message--the voters were more focused on their wallets.

     If the Dems can't get the 'Blue Wall' back it will be difficult for them to win presidential elections--that was abundantly clear as I watched the election map and Trump quicky built a big Electoral College lead with all the very reliable 'red' states reporting in.  Quite simply, at this point the Reps have far too many very reliable red states and, lately, the Dems don't have enough very reliable blue states.  That was also the case in 2020, where Biden easily won the popular vote by 7 million but just barely won the Electoral College, with a very shaky 'Blue Wall' even then. 

    To make matters worse, some of the so-called 'swing' states weren't really so swingy.  Trump won North Carolina fairly easily--51.1% vs 47.7%--and Nevada and Arizona look to be going Republican by more than a few percentage points.  Georgia was a little closer but looks to be, along with the others, a leaning red state rather than a swing state.   A lotta work ahead for the Dems. 

    And, a final note to Jill Biden, whom I used to like and respect--heck, she was a professor at one of the other campuses at the community college where I used to work.  Wearing Reagan Red on Election Day?  Very disloyal, childish, and extremely petty. 

      

      

    

 

Due to population changes, it's expected by the 2030 census that 12 electoral votes will be moved from Blue states to reliable Red states. 

 

California is expected to lose 4 electoral votes alone. That's more votes than deep blue Vermont, for example. 

 

And the census is population based, not citizen based. Expect that to be challenged again during this Presidency. 

[theblether]

1 hour ago, Felton Jarvis said:

I just hope that "Dear Leader" keeps on consuming his staple diet of MCDonald's offal sandwiches and grease fries. In most normal people, that will guarantee a quick death by massive heart attack or paralyzing stroke. A Trump obituary is all I want for Christmas.

 

The evil left speaks. 

 

The evil left doesn't realise the worst thing that can happen is Trump dying, especially by assassination. 

 

JD Vance would unleash an unbelievable MAGA wave using the emotional backlash. 

 

The evil left are truly stupid, stupid people. In fact, they are morons. 

[newnative]

2 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Due to population changes, it's expected by the 2030 census that 12 electoral votes will be moved from Blue states to reliable Red states. 

 

California is expected to lose 4 electoral votes alone. That's more votes than deep blue Vermont, for example. 

 

And the census is population based, not citizen based. Expect that to be challenged again during this Presidency. 

     Yes, exactly what I am talking about.  The Dems, increasingly, have a more difficult time getting to 270 than the Reps, even when they hugely win the popular vote, as they did in 2020, by 7 million votes.  

[Airalee]

13 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

The evil left speaks. 

 

The evil left doesn't realise the worst thing that can happen is Trump dying, especially by assassination. 

 

JD Vance would unleash an unbelievable MAGA wave using the emotional backlash. 

 

The evil left are truly stupid, stupid people. In fact, they are morons. 

You are very kind not referring to them as imbeciles or idiots, even though some here seem to be.

 

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