Why Donald Trump Could be a Major Challenge for the British Government

[nauseus]

  On 11/8/2024 at 9:45 AM, RayC said:

 

You'll just have to bear the pain. The facts often hurt.

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I can take pain but never bs.

[candide]

  On 11/8/2024 at 9:59 AM, nauseus said:

 

As sharp as ever.

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Yawn... 😀

[sungod]

  On 11/8/2024 at 9:39 AM, candide said:

An imaginary trade deal?

 

On top of it, you are completely misinformed. UK strongly benefited from trade deals made by the EU. In particular, one key point of these agreements was to give access to the EU market for products in exchange for the partner giving access to its market for EU services.

 

BTW, how are post-Brexit trade deals negotiated by UK with Japan or NZ better than the trade deals negotiated by the EU with the same countries? Please tell us?

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2 Tier Kier can always take UK back in if he wants

[brewsterbudgen]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:13 AM, sungod said:

 

2 Tier Kier can always take UK back in if he wants

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Unfortunately he's too spineless to do that.  

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 11/8/2024 at 9:35 AM, nauseus said:

 We really need that bored emoji.😫

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Well you need something to do your thinking for you.

[candide]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:13 AM, sungod said:

 

2 Tier Kier can always take UK back in if he wants

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It seems he has chosen so far a 'stuck in the middle' policy which is unlikely to bring any significant change.

[RayC]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:01 AM, nauseus said:

 

I can take pain but never bs.

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Didn't stop you believing it in 2016.

[RayC]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:13 AM, sungod said:

 

2 Tier Kier can always take UK back in if he wants

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Why would he want to do that when everything's going so well since we left?🤦😂

[scottiejohn]

  On 11/8/2024 at 9:39 AM, candide said:

BTW, how are post-Brexit trade deals negotiated by UK with Japan or NZ better than the trade deals negotiated by the EU with the same countries? Please tell us?

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Because the UK can renegotiate a trade deal directly with the other countries at a time/reason of it's own choosing  rather than wait for a long delayed compromise deal that suits France/Germany and not the UK!

[scottiejohn]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:13 AM, sungod said:

 

2 Tier Kier can always take UK back in if he wants

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With or without a referendum?

[John Drake]

  On 11/8/2024 at 9:42 AM, RayC said:

 

"But the UK really doesn't matter much to the US." Ouch! That hurts.

 

Nevertheless, thank you for posting your opinion, which I imagine is held by a sizeable number of your compatriots and, more importantly, seemingly by a succession of US governments (whatever their colour).

 

The UK has a rich cultural, economic and social history and has much to be proud of, but the belief that by acting on its' own in the 21st century, it has any real influence or power in the world is imo delusional.

 

Europe as a whole is a fading force. Imo it can only slow the inevitable decline, and continue to be important, if it acts and moves as one entity. For that reason alone, Brexit was a disaster for the UK and a sizeable body blow for Europe as a whole.

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I think it's just being realistic. American concerns have shifted to the Pacific. And I doubt that Europe cares that much about challenges to American allies in Asia. Europeans now need to take up their own strategic burden, because when push comes to shove, they'll make deals with China at a cost to the US. Germany and Starmer have already indicated they intend to do so.

[RayC]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:25 AM, scottiejohn said:

Because the UK can renegotiate a trade deal directly with the other countries at a time/reason of it's own choosing  rather than wait for a long delayed compromise deal that suits France/Germany and not the UK!

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And due to the UK's weaker negotiating position now that we are outside of the EU, any such deal will almost certainly be worse than one that the EU could strike with the same partner(s).

[candide]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:25 AM, scottiejohn said:

Because the UK can renegotiate a trade deal directly with the other countries at a time/reason of it's own choosing  rather than wait for a long delayed compromise deal that suits France/Germany and not the UK!

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A cause off what?

What did the UK obtain that was better that what the EU obtained from the same countries?

[RayC]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:28 AM, John Drake said:

 

I think it's just being realistic. American concerns have shifted to the Pacific. And I doubt that Europe cares that much about challenges to American allies in Asia. Europeans now need to take up their own strategic burden, because when push comes to shove, they'll make deals with China at a cost to the US. Germany and Starmer have already indicated they intend to do so.

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I agree with most of that.

 

However, unfortunately, many of my compatriots are apparently stuck in some Victorian twilight zone where 'Britain ruled the waves' and was able to dictate the course of world events.

[beautifulthailand99]

  On 11/7/2024 at 12:02 AM, RichardColeman said:

Yes, that's true, Trump puts America first whilst Starmer puts everybody else first. Quids out pensioners, quids in immigrants

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If he can forgive Vance he can forgive anything. It's all transactional with him - apparently he asked Theresa May at Chequers if the UK had nukes  !

[beautifulthailand99]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:31 AM, RayC said:

 

And due to the UK's weaker negotiating position now that we are outside of the EU, any such deal will almost certainly be worse than one that the EU could strike with the same partner(s).

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Normally I woild agree with you but you have Farage in Parliament now - I strongly suspect when he does his first state visit he will aslo be visiting Clacton where he will get a heros welcome. His win will energise the Europena 'populist' movements.

[nauseus]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:14 AM, brewsterbudgen said:

Unfortunately he's too spineless to do that.  

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Let's hope so. But might he be 2 tiered enough?

 

 

[nauseus]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:18 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Well you need something to do your thinking for you.

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You think?

 

Tell you what I think. All this EU reference is old and completely off topic. Hence BORING.

[nauseus]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:20 AM, RayC said:

 

Didn't stop you believing it in 2016.

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What?

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:46 AM, nauseus said:

 

You think?

 

Tell you what I think. All this EU reference is old and completely off topic. Hence BORING.

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It’s very odd. 
 

 

BREXIT supposedly a great victory for the rightwing, a bloody nose for liberals, a resounding success the likes of have not been seen since the WW2 victory or the 1966 World Cup final.

 

And yet these days the right wingers around here don’t like it being mentioned.

Very odd that.

 

[nauseus]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:57 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s very odd. 
 

 

BREXIT supposedly a great victory for the rightwing, a bloody nose for liberals, a resounding success the likes of have not been seen since the WW2 victory or the 1966 World Cup final.

 

And yet these days the right wingers around here don’t like it being mentioned.

Very odd that.

 

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Just start a new topic and make stuff up over there. It's free for numpties.

[beautifulthailand99]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:57 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s very odd. 
 

 

BREXIT supposedly a great victory for the rightwing, a bloody nose for liberals, a resounding success the likes of have not been seen since the WW2 victory or the 1966 World Cup final.

 

And yet these days the right wingers around here don’t like it being mentioned.

Very odd that.

 

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Because we spaffed £150 billion up the wall , increased non-white immigration to record levels and committed the greatest act of economic self harm in history. I miss Danny Carlton on those therad way back when.

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 11/8/2024 at 11:01 AM, beautifulthailand99 said:

Because we spaffed £150 billion up the wall , increased non-white immigration to record levels and committed the greatest act of economic self harm in history. I miss Danny Carlton on those therad way back when.

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Shhh it’s their proud moment.

[sungod]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:19 AM, candide said:

It seems he has chosen so far a 'stuck in the middle' policy which is unlikely to bring any significant change.

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Yep, he seems a let down for 80% of the UK people who didnt vote for him

[sungod]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:24 AM, RayC said:

 

Why would he want to do that when everything's going so well since we left?🤦😂

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He obviously thinks so, or are you one of those middle of the road liberals who cant decide to turn left or right?

[sungod]

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:57 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s very odd. 
 

 

BREXIT supposedly a great victory for the rightwing, a bloody nose for liberals, a resounding success the likes of have not been seen since the WW2 victory or the 1966 World Cup final.

 

And yet these days the right wingers around here don’t like it being mentioned.

Very odd that.

 

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Your mate free gear Kier has said we wont rejoin. Must be going well then?

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 11/8/2024 at 11:15 AM, sungod said:

Your mate free gear Kier has said we wont rejoin. Must be going well then?

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He understands the UK will not rejoin the UK until the Tories come back to their senses.

 

But if Trump slaps Tariffs on all foreign trade as he has said he will, then that will necessitate the U.K. remaking tariffs free trade with the EU.

 

That nobody voted to leave the free trade zone makes that an easy choice.

[RayC]

  On 11/8/2024 at 11:13 AM, sungod said:

 

He obviously thinks so, or are you one of those middle of the road liberals who cant decide to turn left or right?

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I doubt that Starmer believes that Brexit was anything but a massive mistake. However, he's a politician and rejoining now would upset too many of his potential voters. Obviously he doesn't want to risk losing their support.

 

Me? I'd rejoin tomorrow unless the terms offered by the EU were prohibitive. We won't get the same deal as we had, but I find it hard to imagine that any deal is worse than being on the outside looking in.

[sungod]

  On 11/8/2024 at 11:21 AM, RayC said:

I doubt that Starmer believes that Brexit was anything but a massive mistake. However, he's a politician and rejoining now would upset too many of his potential voters. Obviously he doesn't want to risk losing their support.

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So he's in it for himself, that much is clear.

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 11/8/2024 at 11:21 AM, RayC said:

 

I doubt that Starmer believes that Brexit was anything but a massive mistake. However, he's a politician and rejoining now would upset too many of his potential voters. Obviously he doesn't want to risk losing their support.

 

Me? I'd rejoin tomorrow unless the terms offered by the EU were prohibitive. We won't get the same deal as we had, but I find it hard to imagine that any deal is worse than being on the outside looking in.

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It’s not an option, the EU will not negotiate with Labour only to have the Tories reverse the process.

 

BREXIT is a Tory problem, that’s why the rightwing don’t like talking about it.