British Man Injured in Pattaya Road Rage Incident with Thai Driver

[roo860]

5 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

As I am get older, I've contemplated using this method in the future, for now I am still quite a force to be reckoned with, so no need.

Bloody hell, I thought Charles Bronson was dead long ago? 🫡

[LudwigK]

the street cleaners of pattaya were supposed to clear the streets of iron bars 😃🤪

[lordgrinz]

3 minutes ago, Jonathan Swift said:

Good for you. I'm imagining that you would not exactly look like a good target for these *******s. I'm in good shape for my age (67) but I also don't drive except motorbikes in smaller towns. I have a good instinct for avoiding accidents due to many years of both driving amongst American *******s and riding motorcycle for 40 years. 

 

I'm 55, and gave up my BigBike last year, my wife was happy about it, me not so much, but mainly I didn't want to die or be maimed by the numerous suicidal Thai drivers here. Last thing I want right now is to be injured or maimed for life, especially while entering an older age.

[G_Money]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

You don't have to piss off a disturbed woman to have her attack. The first time I returned early from a place I went to and she gave me the silent treatment. I asked her a few times what was wrong, and after the third time, she threw a glass bowl at me, hitting the ground in front of me and pieces of glass cut my foot. Then she got up and went to the kitchen, got a knife and came towards me. I told her that's not a good idea, and she backed off.

 

The second time, she was sweeping the floor in her mom's house, was very angry at her mom,( a not an occasional thing), and I went over to her and asked her for a hug. She slapped me, then went to the kitchen and got a knife and came at me. This time her sister intervened and told her to stop, and she backed off.

 

The third time we had an argument about me wanting her to speak more English to our daughter, to help her learn faster. She was already in a bad mood over something else (not me) and she got up and again did the same, and again I told her to stop. She also hit me at least 5 other times just because she has a lack of self control and goes to violence because this is what she learned from abusive parents. Also where she learned to be a covert narcissist. Abuse and neglect in childhood. I picked the wrong woman to marry here, and especially to have a child with, and it's the reason I'm still here, until I can re locate back home with my daughter.It's certainly not the LOS for many.

Thanks for sharing your experience .

 

Glad you got away.  Life’s too short to be with toxic people.

[Jonathan Swift]

On 11/10/2024 at 5:50 AM, SAFETY FIRST said:

It's always fun to sit in a bar and watch the idiots around soi Buakhou, roadrage is everywhere. 

 

Very entertaining 😂

 

Road rage is much worse in the US, people shoot to kill.

[Jonathan Swift]

On 11/10/2024 at 9:55 AM, fredwiggy said:

And the brown noser award of the week goes to................Do you not know or understand what goes on here daily, all over the country, with locals stabbing, kicking, shooting, beating and mauling others, often drunk, high on drugs , often just angry with the world in Thailand? And defensive weapons, more so meaning weapons to attack, are carried all over the country in cars, under scooter seats, on tractors and on person because this is a learned behavior of cowards. Farangs are a tiny fraction of daily violence here.

As I've said before it's much worse in the US. People are armed with AR15 assault rifles. There was a gang shooting 2 years ago right next  to my house in Hartford CT (I stay there in the summer). I'm sure like any place Thailand has its pockets of malfeasance, but none of it has crossed paths with me in 11 years, and I've even survived at least 10 trips to Pattaya and yes Soi Buakao. I think some people manage to be trouble magnets, or they simply don't understand or don't know what they're doing or where they're going, are careless or too drunk, or a collection of the aforementioned. I hope all you people stay safe, it's not hard to do if you put your mind to it. 

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, Jonathan Swift said:

Road rage is much worse in the US, people shoot to kill.

Road rage happens in every country, and if you look at dangerous driving countries, Thailand is much worse than most. If you don't live in the US, you don't know what goes on there. If you do, you should know more than what the news tells you.People aren't shooting each other on the roads like you think.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Jonathan Swift said:

As I've said before it's much worse in the US. People are armed with AR15 assault rifles. There was a gang shooting 2 years ago right next  to my house in Hartford CT (I stay there in the summer). I'm sure like any place Thailand has its pockets of malfeasance, but none of it has crossed paths with me in 11 years, and I've even survived at least 10 trips to Pattaya and yes Soi Buakao. I think some people manage to be trouble magnets, or they simply don't understand or don't know what they're doing or where they're going, are careless or too drunk, or a collection of the aforementioned. I hope all you people stay safe, it's not hard to do if you put your mind to it. 

Many people own the AR-15 platform, but very few own assault rifles, which are automatics. Most are hunters and target shooters, and these aren't the ones committing crimes. It's a few that get their hands on others rifles or manage to buy them themselves, and that's the laws that need to be changed, as many of them are under 21, which should be the legal age to purchase firearms. Most gun crime in the US is gang related or suicides. Thailand actually has a higher intentional homicide rate then the US, and gun crime here is closing in on the US daily. If you live in any country areas in any country, you won't see much crime anyway, besides domestic, and in countries like Thailand, you have to research to know the true stats of crime as most of it isn't going to be on the news.

[Jim Blue]

Would pavements help ?

Other places seem to be able to put

them in their budgets.⁵

[lordgrinz]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Road rage happens in every country, and if you look at dangerous driving countries, Thailand is much worse than most. If you don't live in the US, you don't know what goes on there. If you do, you should know more than what the news tells you.People aren't shooting each other on the roads like you think.

 

I know one thing, I feel safer on the roads/sidewalks/crosswalks back in the USA, than I do here. I thought I was back in heaven when I went back in May, clean air, clean forests, clean water, safe travelling on the roads.....walked my daughter to several parks/playgrounds without anyone trying to run us over, its was delightful! Stay out of the major cities back in the USA where the riff-raff lives, and life is pretty nice, at least our Barbarians are confined to certain cities/neighborhoods in the USA that are easily bypassed.

[newbee2022]

3 hours ago, paddypower said:

10 points, mate, for what seems to be a rare, intelligent post on this thread. 

But then....why you don't post something intelligent😂

[fredwiggy]

Just now, lordgrinz said:

 

I know one thing, I feel safer on the roads/sidewalks/crosswalks back in the USA, than I do here. I thought I was back in heaven when I went back in May, clean air, clean forests, clean water, safe travelling on the roads.....walked my daughter to several parks/playgrounds without anyone trying to run us over, its was delightful! Stay out of the major cities back in the USA where the riff-raff lives, and life is pretty nice, at least our Barbarians are confined to certain cities/neighborhoods in the USA that are easily bypassed.

I felt the same way when I visited last November, and surely will when I go there this week. I was home again.

[Jonathan Swift]

12 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Road rage happens in every country, and if you look at dangerous driving countries, Thailand is much worse than most. If you don't live in the US, you don't know what goes on there. If you do, you should know more than what the news tells you.People aren't shooting each other on the roads like you think.

I'm from the US. I've seen 6 murders over 30 years in my  neighborhood there, and a gang shooting next to my house in Hartford CT 2 years ago. The US is by far the most violent country in the world, they were shooting each other and killing over mask rules during covid. one of the reasons I came here, where I have managed to live a peaceful life for 11 years. 

[Jonathan Swift]

 

[newbee2022]

13 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I think 

That would surprise me 😂😂😂

[lordgrinz]

1 minute ago, Jonathan Swift said:

I'm from the US. I've seen 6 murders over 30 years in my  neighborhood there, and a gang shooting next to my house in Hartford CT 2 years ago. The US is by far the most violent country in the world, they were shooting each other and killing over mask rules during covid. one of the reasons I came here, where I have managed to live a peaceful life for 11 years. 

 

Living in Hartford was the issue, not living in the US.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Jonathan Swift said:

I'm from the US. I've seen 6 murders over 30 years in my  neighborhood there, and a gang shooting next to my house in Hartford CT 2 years ago. The US is by far the most violent country in the world, they were shooting each other and killing over mask rules during covid. one of the reasons I came here, where I have managed to live a peaceful life for 11 years. 

You're way off in that guess, as it doesn't even make the top 20. I lived in the US 62 years, 30 close to NYC, including working there and then living next to San Antonio for 32. I never saw any crime besides fights, although yes it did happen. Thailand has a higher intentional homicide rate and is slowly catching up as far as gun crime, along with mass shootings that happen here all the time...................https://securityjournaluk.com/most-dangerous-countries-in-the-world/.

[BigStar]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Why was the taxi driver carrying an iron bar, what's more he seemed happy to use it to inflict injury to another person.

 

Sometimes the opportunity arises to administer needed attitude adjustments and increase one's own share of good karma. A beating can contribute importantly to personal growth, even for a Brit. So one hopes Mr. Edward has learned a lesson in diplomacy, at least, if not about driving or drinking and driving, the responsibility for the accident not yet revealed, AFAIK. I confess I haven't read the entire thread for any updates.

[wensiensheng]

On 11/10/2024 at 4:08 AM, Woke to Sounds of Horking said:

The damned drugs again!

For the Brit it's time to suspend his license, plus a fine should do the trick. The Thai guy should be fined and license suspended for ONE YEAR.

 

Thailand can no longer afford to mollycoddle rule breakers.

License? Who cares about a licence? 
 

you DO know where you live, do you not?

[Kaopad999]

I can almost guarantee that the British guy lost his cool first. Thai people are usually very relaxed, calm, and diplomatic after a collision—at least that's been my experience. Raising your voice, pointing fingers, or showing anger will only provoke a Thai person. If you follow the simple rule of 'sabai sabai' in Thailand, you'll likely avoid the kind of problems the Brit faced. 

[richard_smith237]

19 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

I can almost guarantee that the British guy lost his cool first. Thai people are usually very relaxed, calm, and diplomatic after a collision—at least that's been my experience. Raising your voice, pointing fingers, or showing anger will only provoke a Thai person. If you follow the simple rule of 'sabai sabai' in Thailand, you'll likely avoid the kind of problems the Brit faced. 

 

While not a wholly dissagreable opinion, the generalisation that 'Thai people are... Sabai-sabai' is often somewhat of a misnomer..   In many examples, it can be shown that Thai's are more like a pressure-cooker ready to explode... 

 

That said, I do agree... that overt displays of anger, frustration and annoyance can be sufficient to 'trigger' an exagerated over-reaction, thus following the rules of 'stay cool' is the best action in any circumstance. 

 

But... We also witness a great deal of Thai on Thai volence, which shows that 'one of them' lost thier cool first, so this contradicts the idea that the 'Brit lost his cool first' becasue Thai's tend not to - given the frequency of violence we see here, its just as likely the Thai guy lost his cool first.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PETERTHEEATER]

On 11/10/2024 at 1:19 AM, save the frogs said:

that's a whole lotta tattoos

Oh, i thought they were bruises.....😋

[SAFETY FIRST]

7 hours ago, roo860 said:

I had the pleasure of visiting the Queen of the Eastern Seaboard around this time last year for a month, the highlight was the breakfast in the Hungry Hippo on Soi Buakhao, I'm surprised there aren't more traffic incidents with the chaos in the evening, especially with 10bt buses. 

I rode down soi Buakhou last night, around 8pm, the Thai's were zooming recklessly around the cars (to be expected) but so many foreigners riding similar. 

 

[mancub]

5 hours ago, khunpin said:

It's always good to be prepared and ready to strike when you encounter one of too many Brits in Thailand. 

Easy to take the Thai side. 👍 

Should we understand that you are best mates with the Ladyboy bar fraternity then ?

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

I rode down soi Buakhou last night, around 8pm, the Thai's were zooming recklessly around the cars (to be expected) but so many foreigners riding similar. 

 

Is there perhaps an element of some people faulting foreigners because better is  expected of them, but, excusing Thai's becuase thats 'just the way they drive'  ???

[sambum]

Maybe the Thai driver didn't like the tattoos?

 

Doesn't take much for a Thai to react violently in a case such as this - people watching - loss of face?

[AlwaysThere]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Road rage happens in every country, and if you look at dangerous driving countries, Thailand is much worse than most. If you don't live in the US, you don't know what goes on there. If you do, you should know more than what the news tells you.People aren't shooting each other on the roads like you think.

 

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

You're way off in that guess, as it doesn't even make the top 20. I lived in the US 62 years, 30 close to NYC, including working there and then living next to San Antonio for 32. I never saw any crime besides fights, although yes it did happen. Thailand has a higher intentional homicide rate and is slowly catching up as far as gun crime, along with mass shootings that happen here all the time...................https://securityjournaluk.com/most-dangerous-countries-in-the-world/.

 

I don't understand the relevance of your link to this story or even Thailand. You have taken this thread widely off the topic. Talking about your crazy ex and all kinds of things that have nothing to do with anything. Now some strange link that again has no relevance to the story. Have you been to Pattaya?

If not, why are you telling people  that if they haven't lived in the U.S. ...?  You haven't been to Pattaya either. 

 

The Brit could likely have easily have avoided the situation. A car cannot keep up with a motorcycle on that soi, so probably he decided to stay and confront.

[SAFETY FIRST]

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Is there perhaps an element of some people faulting foreigners because better is  expected of them, but, excusing Thai's becuase thats 'just the way they drive'  ???

Absolutely 

[fredwiggy]

13 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

 

I don't understand the relevance of your link to this story or even Thailand. You have taken this thread widely off the topic. Talking about your crazy ex and all kinds of things that have nothing to do with anything. Now some strange link that again has no relevance to the story. Have you been to Pattaya?

If not, why are you telling people  that if they haven't lived in the U.S. ...?  You haven't been to Pattaya either. 

 

The Brit could likely have easily have avoided the situation. A car cannot keep up with a motorcycle on that soi, so probably he decided to stay and confront.

The topic is about violence here. Comparing it to other countries or other violence, especially here, is relevant. I'm also answering others replies to me, which does add on to the topic.My not being to Pattaya means nothing. News travels fast. And you also weren't there, so you couldn't know who did what.You have to read every reply to know where things go, and how they relate.

[AlwaysThere]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

The topic is about violence here. Comparing it to other countries or other violence, especially here, is relevant. I'm also answering others replies to me, which does add on to the topic.My not being to Pattaya means nothing. News travels fast. And you also weren't there, so you couldn't know who did what.You have to read every reply to know where things go, and how they relate.

 

It's about a road rage incident in Pattaya between a foreigner and a Thai. Not to do with violence here, nor your ex or countries with terrorism and insurgencies. 

 

I've been to Pattaya, I know the soi. I read the description of how the motorcycle was alongside the car. That would only happen if the rider decided to stay and confront, as he could easily have ridden away from confrontation on that soi, with the car being unable to follow. 

Whereas you've veered off to posting links about Afghanistan and Burkino Faso... Just nothing to do with the incident nor Pattaya. Why are you even on the Pattaya sub board if you haven't ever stepped foot in the place?